don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I want a woman to be President.

He has lied about women being sexually harassed by his workers and to me THAT IS HORRIBLE.
I can't support someone who hurts other people. Sorry Bernie but I feel you have really burned your bridge and hurt women supporters.
Bye bye bye bye.



edit,. i didn't read this part of the op note.
even more damning.

one survivor says she reported her issues to him almost 2 years ago, contradicting his statement that the letter was the first he'd heard of these allegations.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment-2016-2020_us_5c2e50cce4b08aaf7a975068?fbclid=IwAR37gfnsQ112A8zUb4v9EjYuXUdNyECDX1x_uXCDGWyD3mM2IV1_fEZ5GMY

The response from survivors has been one of deep pain.

“That half-hearted apology he throws in is the 1st any of us female staff have heard out of him in the 2 years since we brought this to his attention in early 2017,” tweeted Masha Mendieta, who repeatedly has alleged that Sanders knew about the problem.

“I’m not quite sure how to put into words how furious I am right now,” tweeted Zoey Jordan Salsbury, the former American University Students for Bernie president who spoke to HuffPost about her experiences in November 2017.

“I didn’t feel like I was not treated appropriately,” Salsbury told me Thursday in an email. “I wasn’t. There is no subjectiveness to this.”

“His apology sounded like a classic non-apology that so many women know all too well,” she added. “And it only came after he mentioned how many states he had won. ... I wish I had gotten a true apology a year ago, when I came forward. Instead I got a call from a lawyer who blamed me for being harassed.”

Let the smearing of her begin. She has dared to contradict him.

BS is really a disappointment.

Disappointment requires expectations.

Link to tweet

It is what he himself has experienced. No surprise that he just doesn’t “ get” it.

regardless of the race, beardedness and age of the politician.

who suffer from other kinds of inequality that he, as a white man, is not exposed to. I was a fan of his at one time and voted for him in the primary. I am completely disgusted by him now. He will never understand what life is like for anyone who is not exactly like him.

Many women here sensed this, but we weren't taken seriously. I don't see how this can be overcome.

Where's the fork?

I have not followed this story. Nevertheless, if Bernie issues an apology, and if he was told about this 2 years ago, or one year..Then it is all over for him. I assume there are several instances that were reported, and his staff did nothing. This is supposed to be a "leader" When all this gets out to everyone, details have come out in the last few days. It is a sad end to this story..(that is my opinion)

Now he is saying he didn't know -- and that he was a "little busy." As if that's an excuse.

Lame.

record, which in many ways was good. But that's a little like saying that "I deserve a lot of credit because I pay most of my bills on time so it shouldn't matter if I am late on a few."

Unfortunately, there are a lot of examples of progressives, some of whom were known for championing women's issues, who either were harassers themselves or were in charge of organizations where harassment was pervasive and not addressed appropriately. Look at recent NYS attorneys general, as one example.

That should be it then. He said he only found out about through the letter.

That means somebody lied.

So supporters, what do you have to say about that?

You are right, someone is lying plain and simple.

...if it was something that needed to be run up the chain and would eventually get to him there's plenty of room for error there. There's a lot of unknowns here. It's Franken-esque to be honest (the response on this board by some posters...instant vilification). We live in a world where anyone can say anything they want. What really matters in these cases is what can be proven. Right now we have conflicting reports and I'm not inclined to believe either, on the issue of notifying Sanders, without more evidence.

I have no doubt these women experienced something wrong. In a nationwide campaign you're going to have crap happen. What matters is dealing with it once it all becomes known.

EDIT: Now that I'm looking at it...I don't see the quote you used in the article. Did it come from somewhere else or are you making stuff up?

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he just found out about this through that letter, 2-3 years later?

And trump knew nothing about any collusion either, right?

...do a Ctrl-f and paste part of it in the search bar. It’s not there.

If quoting a DUer is your bar for proof then we’re done here. Have a good day/night.

you avoided answering my query as to believing that he just found out about this 2-3 years after these sexual abuse incidents happened.

I sure don't. Do you?

...so I guess we’re even.

But I don't blame you. Hard to admit that the head person of a campaign would say he didn't know about something as serious as that.

I prefer to wait for the facts and testimony to come out before condemning a person...

As with any allegation like this, the people involved must get together and bring this
totally out in the open. We know so far is that Sanders personally was not named as a sexually
harasser.

these women who are in pain.

Blowing it off as an "opinion piece".. this is exactly what they're talking about.

Right now, all people are doing is going off on the very little info that we have.

The proper thing to do is to get these all these people together and discuss it.

They are direct quotes from those who have been harmed.

And. BS gave a weak response.

and Bernie's written response, and Bernie's response in the interview.

And we have multiple reports in the media that include other comments by the women involved, and at least one woman's long and detailed account of what happened to her.

The bottom line is that Bernie's team has had TWO YEARS since the campaign to put measures in place that would assure the 24 that the problems had been recognized and wouldn't be allowed to reoccur. And the team has failed -- hence, the letter.

Just stop your victim blaming/doubting.

We can reserve judgement in the case and still assess this response.

the 2016 campaign would not occur with his re-election campaign. Have there been complaints about that subsequent re-election campaign? He apologized in the interview and gave context to how the problem may have occurred without his knowledge - the 2016 campaign started with approx. 2-3 paid employees and grew to 1200. The harassment is inexcusable, but it sounds like he took action to correct the problem.

in the OP. Why do you think that is? #rhetoricalquestion

That OP provided a cherry picked story that excluded statements
that spelled out the steps Bernie's campaign took to address
the complaints.

And it was pretty clear they didn't appreciate other DUers
pointing that out.

which is why the 24 wrote this new letter.

And Bernie is now saying that he didn't even know about the complaints, because he was a "little busy." That's no excuse. That's dismissing what happened to these women as of little importance. He's been a politician running for office for decades. He should have known how to set up a campaign to ensure that he'd be informed of all important problems that occurred -- and that his team was responding appropriately.

they are not convinced that it was dealt with and want to ensure that there is a plan in place to prevent it from happening again.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014

he took in the 2018 campaign, AND YET they still are worried that he doesn't have adequate procedures in place to avoid a repetition of 2016.

The fact that they wrote the letter shows that they don't think he's taken care of the problem. The fact that he seems to be not telling the truth -- he denied he was told about these issues during the campaign -- shows he might be part of the problem.

That makes perfect sense.

of the problem in the Senate campaign, leading the 2016 people to think more was left to be done.

that they want a sit down with him and Jeff Weaver to discuss the "sexual harassment" now.

They're not satisfied that he "corrected the problem".

And, the responses from these Women in the OP don't sound like he "corrected the problem", either.

Do you not believe them?

and a statement from the campaign has been publicly released, and Bernie has gone on CNN and given his explanation. He was, he explained, "a little busy."

No one has EVER said Bernie was a sexual harasser. But women have said that they made complaints about sexual harassment and other issues -- that Bernie knew about -- and there wasn't an adequate response.

Here's one of the women.

https://medium.com/mashamendieta/be-your-own-hero-because-bernie-is-not-it-c4add2e08029

Democrats won't use that against Bernie in the primary, but republican will use it to strip away female support if Bernie wins our nomination.

My advice to men in power is deal with sexual harassment issues in real time and report allegations of assault to police and let them investigate, regardless of the public relations issues.

to win the nom.. but you're absolutely right.. the gop would drown the airwaves.

and facts, which Eric Holder's investigation showed later to be very well-founded and convincing.

....also with Jerold Nadler.

Just had to do it, sorry!!!!

One doesn't ever, ever contradict the Senator.

it became public knowledge.

That's pretty deeply ingrained, and now she's being blacklisted because she spoke out.

but, it does give me the chance to populate my ignore list of those who are working for republicans.

in the campaign staff.

And yes, they are getting together, and they are asking for a meeting with Sanders and advisors to ensure that there is a plan for it not to happen again.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014

WOW.

And, the bucks stops at the top of any organization, period.

Was Bernie supporter in 2016 primary. If he runs in 2020, no way.

Oh, right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-suggests-he-wont-turn-over-tax-returns-even-if-democrats-demand-them/2018/11/07/396ae650-e2ad-11e8-ab2c-b31dcd53ca6b_story.html

"a little busy"

However...

Beto is the new Bernie

He blew it, and know we all know.

ready, aim, FIRE!!! Republicans will be so happy!

You don't have to if you don't want to.

and concerns about any candidate can and will be raised.

about this. We didn't ask for it.

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I can't say for sure but I have noticed some red flags:

The same ol' same ols still going at it for almost 3 years now.

And just take a look at the response times on the right,
and pay close attention to how many ditto Bernie hate
responses were posted so soon after the OP like they
were all just given the green flag at the Indy 500!

Or, maybe it's more like this:


I do believe there was a misconduct problem back then, but I also believe that it was addressed as it should be, not by the candidate, but by campaign administration staff originally assigned to deal with such HR issues. To me, the release timing, two years after the fact, right at the very beginning of the primary season, and the supposed third party "leaking" of the new complaint letter, (said never intended to be made public) makes this latest 'Bernie just go away' campaign more than just highly suspect.

What we're seeing here on DU now isn't about sexual misconduct, it's about 'Bernie just go away'. It is no more than cynical exploitation of the sexual misconduct issue, and the metoo movement itself as simply a means to exact political revenge.

The 'Bernie just go away' crowd is so caught up in their political feeding frenzy that they
apparently have no clue as to how ridiculously transparent they've become.

Any particular reason?

Thought so.

before you go tossing accusations around like that.

These women are hurting and you're on some hill denying it ever happened. Resorting to denial and lashing out at those who feel empathy towards the women who came forward.

Why do you think that they are coming forward with this?

To begin with, the Huffington Post is Republican spam. What else? David Brock? The Establishment (they are TERRIFIED!!11)? Do tell.

Stop it.

anybody else would that still be the case?

Welcome to DU... Enjoy your stay.

What do you mean by spam?

On Beto right about now?

bye bye Bernie

Bernie is hard of listening.

“He talked up how successful his campaign had been ― then said the women who worked on it, and who made it so fabulously successful, were not people he paid attention to or cared about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment-2016-2020_us_5c2e50cce4b08aaf7a975068?fbclid=IwAR37gfnsQ112A8zUb4v9EjYuXUdNyECDX1x_uXCDGWyD3mM2IV1_fEZ5GMY

Which implied that his excuse was that the problems the women were bringing forward weren't important enough for his attention.

Still...if he's 'too busy' to pay attention to women being abused and harassed in any circumstance, his campaign or not, what does that say about him? And the pay inequality is also a big issue as far as I'm concerned. It puts the lie to who he says he is and what he stands for.

our party is treated then more will understand what is happening and why.

That we still have to pretend he supports the D party is maddening.

Seems like something those in charge would care about. You know, the workers.

I know one of the sanders supporters who was named in the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

these kind of threads will disenfranchise many progressives, causing them to vote for "the other party" or not vote at all. 2016 redux.

Then everything will be all better.

They can join the green slimes...and I wager we will still win in the end.