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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWow. Pelosi got more done in one day than
dumbfuck managed in 2 years.
He isn't going to know what hit him.
And she worked half a day.
TEB
(12,716 posts)king of the morons is in trouble I love it
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)we have to deal with reality. All House democrats can do legislatively is take "symbolic" votes unless McConnel AND trump agree with the Bill.
The real AND ONLY POWER Pelosi and democrats have are hearing and investigations...with some opportunity to use appropriation bills ith democratic poison pills in them
safeinOhio
(32,531 posts)Repub agenda has been stopped.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:28 AM - Edit history (1)
She and the Democrats are laying the groundwork for legislation that will enentually pass and reopen the government.
Unlike the Republicans, Pelosi doesn't do symbolism, empty gestures or wheel-spinning. Every step she takes is carefully thought out and part of a plan.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)C.mon man, "Did America give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" Blutus.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)care to reconsider your position?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by observing. Many here have now spent their entire adult lives watching Democrats operate as a minority power in a nation that swung majority conservative with the "Reagan revolution" in 1980. It's frustrating to all of us, but we believe the wheel is now turning forward again in spite of all attempts to keep it rolling backward--including by the misuse of conservative power to corrupt our democratic processes for its continuance.
One thing I've noticed is that many fellow liberals, millions of whom had switched to calling themselves "progressive" in the 1990s in an attempt to try to state their positions without being attacked and sneered at in social gatherings, are now proudly calling themselves liberals again. Took 20 years to come back, but that's a huge sign.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Nothing will happen if Pelosi and the Dems do nothing. People didn't elwct a Democratic House to only do investigations. They also want them to legislate. And legislating sometimes means pushing the ball down the field in increments and pressuring the other side to give ground.
Pelosi knows what she's doing and, as i said, she doesn't engage in symbolism or empty posturing. She knows what she's doing and her strategy will result in McConnell giving ground. Wait and see.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)and, we need to remind the media every day that what Pelosi passed also passed the senate 100-0 before Christmas. The ball is 100% in McConnell's court, and if other Republicans join Cory Gardner in calling for a vote, McConnell may eventually have to give in...
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)is a good issue for Democrats in 2020. If the Senate does act on some of them, so much the better.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)tRumpublicon supporters will never change, they will support their party. None of her actions has any bearing on them.
Those of us here on DU? Opposite side of the aisle, but for the most part, we will stand and support her and the Democratic Party. These bills have our support, but ultimately make no difference in elections.
That large swath of independent voters in the middle? The same voters that are able to vote for GWB one cycle, Obama the next, and Rump the next? Those are the ones that this will have sway on. Seeing the stubborn jackass in the Whitehouse, the stubborn jackasses in the Senate doing nothing while the House, under Democratic Party leadership is pumping bills out (even if they go nowhere).. THOSE are the ones this will have impact and effect upon.
The committees that will open and lead investigations just formed up yesterday. Sit back and enjoy that ride that's coming.
When it comes to government, there's many kinds of power, and the power to control public perception and opion is a powerful one even if these bills never make it anywhere in the Senate. They're gaining headlines, and people are reading.
watoos
(7,142 posts)All Democrats voted for the 2 end the shutdown bills, 5 Republicans broke ranks and voted with the Democrats for the 1st bill, 7 Republicans broke ranks and voted with the Democrats for the 2nd bill. Chinks are forming in the Republican party who used to vote in lock step.
It will be worse for Republican Senators to toe the line. Senators aren't safe in gerrymandered districts, they are elected state wide. There are more Republican Senators up for reelection in 2020 than Dems.
Oh yeah, of note, one of those Senators up for reelection is our dear friend Susan Collins.
These votes show what party is trying to govern and what party is trying to obstruct.
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity." General George Patton.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)GOP "passed" 100's of bills in the house that never saw a vote in the senate while democrats were in charge
did that make the GOP successful in the house?
NOPE
watoos
(7,142 posts)is a lot different than ignoring bills to restart the government. If the shutdown ends up being lengthy farmers are not going to get loans, we all aren't going to get our tax refunds.
The majority of Americans do not support a wall. You are wrong thinking it is worthwhile for Republicans to hitch their wagons to not reopening the government over a stupid wall.
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity." General George Patton.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Republicans in the House passed a "repeal of Obamacare" more than 47 times in two years.
Is Obamacare repealed? No, it is not.
Symbolism is great for cheering up the troops. It serves no other purpose.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity." General George Patton.
Yet oddly enough, Patton chose to get bogged down fighting Wehrmacht troops in fixed emplacements during the Vosges campaign in autumn, '44. Got his butt kicked, turned tail and called off that particular offensive.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Link to tweet
Here's what we did on our first day:
✓ Voted to reopen the government.
✓ Swore in most diverse Congress ever.
Here's what we're doing next:
✓ Protecting healthcare.
✓ Fighting climate change.
✓ Holding Trump accountable.
✓ Tackling corruption.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)ananda
(28,783 posts)Good
If the media reports on what has been passed in the house: infrastructure; drug prices; pre-existing conditions; etc. then it will make a big difference. Couple that with real investigations into the entire criminal enterprise that is The GOP!
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)They will begin to look like the bad guys.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,039 posts)M$M will run out of ways to blame Dems for the shutdown when Dems keep trying to open government and lapdog Mitch and his owner, toddler Don, keep blocking.
rurallib
(62,346 posts)pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)Trump is like a toddler, except he is like a toddler with a loaded gun in a room full of people.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)initiating and passing appropriations bills to fund government operations.
In fact, she passed the exact same bills that were already approved nearly unanimously either by the full Senate or full Senate committees.
If McConnell doesn't want to vote on his own chambers' legislation, there is not much the House can do about it. However, Cory Gardiner is already cracking and I expect there will be others doing the same shortly.
watoos
(7,142 posts)5 House Repubs voted for the 1 bill and 7 voted for the 2nd bill.
Let's not forget, oh dear, our friend Susan Collins is up for reelection in 2020.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)now, too.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)"says" we should reopen the government. 2 Republican Senators have already cracked along with 7 House Republicans.
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)With raising kids, keeping a home going, working one or two jobs and keeping our spouses moving forward we don't have time to argue, we just roll up our sleeves and get busy. These amazing women are going to change the way Washington works. Nobody will outwork these fantastic women!
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)There ain't nobody that good!
She kept me in awe! Seventy-eight years old and
such stamina! Wow!!!
AWESOME!!!