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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie will probably run, unless some other candidate credibly champions "Medicare for all".
I believe that is the bottom line of it.
There will be a candidate in the 2020 primaries who will champion "Medicare for all" as one of their core positions, in a way that convinces people that this is a firm conviction and not just lip service. Unless some Democrat assumes this role in a credible fashion, there will be space for a Sanders candidacy.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)OrlandoDem2
(2,064 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and most politically feasible - because it is a political issue.
The goal of punishing insurance and pharma companies is a separate issue, and should not come before universal health care, but I fear for many, it does.
area51
(11,868 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)"Public option" may be more viable in the end, but up until recently no one even appeared to be pushing for that.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)the pukes know this lesson by heart
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)I welcome a Democrat advocating for a public option. Is anyone who is a contender doing that?
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Gillibrand too.
But, I think strengthening Obamacare will probably be where the party heads.
Several new progressive House candidates who ran on MFA lost their bids to Democrats who ran on the ACA or expanding Medicare or Medicaid to a public option.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)it's a foolish move that will come back to bite Democrats.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)running specifically on Medicare for All is not practical. I never said I don't support health care for all. Reading is fundamental.
shanny
(6,709 posts)What exactly is the problem in running on something that people understand and can relate to?
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... people will naturally gravitate towards it.
We should also, IMO, look to a transition away from employer provided plans.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,857 posts)Why is that something that, magically, the US can't manage?
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... purity test based on it.
No PO or MFA = a ding in the policy for me.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,857 posts)And where do you get the idea I'm on some "purity test"? I'm saying we can certainly have single payer, and I feel that would be a better option. Though I agree that we need one or the other.
betsuni
(25,122 posts)An ACA public option and lowered age to 55 to be eligible for Medicare were in the 2016 party platform. Whatever's the fastest and easiest way to get health care to as many people as possible is what matters, not a slogan.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)
on Beto and a very divisive fund raising letter sent by Sen. Sanders himself. He should remain in the Senate too because, there is a Republican governor in Vermont who will appoint a Republican to his seat should he win.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Tax returns, the problems regarding sexual abuse & pay inequity in his campaign and the fact that he's an avowed non-DEm.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #30)
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Cha
(295,899 posts)after the GE on Nov 16, 2016 and called my Democratic party "the party of the elite".. made it all about himself when people were hurting from the rigging in of trump.
Turns out everything he said about it was proven wrong.
And, he calls the Democratic Party the "financial elite" in his "mass email". That's Divisive.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)were against him in 2016... oh, and were against Obama in 2008
#'s don't lie..
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)the things he proposed. The GOP stuck their coke straw in that "reserve' and snorted that up w a tax cut for themselves, AGAIN.
You vote the nominee, and if you don't, you are more of a hindrance than a help, to the goals you hope to achieve.
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uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... don't need to go through the process of trusting people
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)1) I was in for Obama from the beginning in 2008.
2) I was was for HRC in 2016. I was ambivalent to Sanders until his divisive tactics. Now I am adamantly opposed to him.
3) My wife supported BS in 2016. Voted for him the primary. She will now NOT support him.
So..... your "numbers" seem to be wrong after all.
Bernie is all about Bernie.... that will never change.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)they supported him in 2016 but will not support him now.
Hav
(5,969 posts)but some people just make stuff up in contradiction to the numbers. Clinton basically won with the similarly diverse group of voters that was behind Obama's success. Not sure why one needs to lie.
shanny
(6,709 posts)emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)Most of them were Republicans, and it was their Obama vote that was aberrational.
THE MYTH OF THE OBAMA-TRUMP VOTER
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/08/myth-obama-trump-voter
When you see surveys showing fairly high numbers of Obama-Trump voters, remember that such surveys are unreliable because too many people claim retroactively to have voted for the winning candidate. Once you control for this by re-interviewing voters whose votes were recorded contemporaneously, you find that 1)there werent all that many and 2)most of them were >>>>Republicans<<<< whose votes for Obama were aberrational, and would have been overwhelmingly likely to vote for the Republican nominee irrespective of who either party nominated:
<snip>
In 2008, a larger-than-usual number of Republican voters went with Obama during an extraordinary time, when the economy was in free fall and an incumbent Republican president was deeply unpopular. ANES polling found that 17 percent of Obama voters in 2008 had been for George W. Bush in 2004, compared with the 13 percent of Trump voters, the same survey found, who supported Obama at least once. These people arent Obama-Trump voters as much as they were Bush-Obama voters.
More at link.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)Im not the only one who is disillusioned by Senator Sanders. Hes a great Senator for Vermont. However I no longer feel he has what it takes to be President.
Of course if he wins the nomination I will vote for him. I always vote for the eventual nominee.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)you can almost set your watch by them. No Hillary next time? No justice for her win the last time? Bernie can step right off imho. Why does he get another bite of the apple? He didn't even win. For those who think HRC wouldn't have fought for everything Bernie would've done and more, you're kidding yourself. HRC was THE FIRST to try to get us all health care, and she was burned for 25 years for it. Bernie was a late comer to that party. Never forget. HRC needs some Presidential Recompense in my mind, before we do anything to give Bernie another chance. HRC needs to be president. That's fair, and that's how America rolls. imho.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and despite the fact that there will be several much more qualified candidates touting solid Democratic ideals who are also running.
It was easy for him to be "successful" as the only alternative to Hillary in a 2 person race.
As one of a crowd of highly successful, charismatic, driven candidates, I don't expect him to do nearly as well.
Sid
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and hence, more about him standing on a soap box than actually legislating.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)The perception that there weren't any options to choose from in large parts drove the dynamics of the 2016 primaries. The "not Hillary" vote had to go somewhere and Bernie just happened to be around.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)He stated that in an interview with Lawrence O'Donnell when he was discussing his potential candidacy.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)In fact, he gets my early support....
Cha
(295,899 posts)a better candidate than the divisive one.
Castro appreciates what the Dem Party has Accomplished.. doesn't go on tv dissing them all the time.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Seniors have heard for decades how medicare funding will evaporate within the next decade. Seniors will not want to make any changes to the system that would imperil their current benefits. I believe it would be smarter to campaign on medicare for 55 or 50 even. But not for all. For under 55 there could be another single payer system. But it should be clear that Medicare is protected and strengthened to protect seniors.
Bernie is currently polling at 5% with seniors in a recent Washington Post-Shar School post. Bernie's M4A support may be reflected in this number.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)You can champion Medicare for all...but it won't happen without 60 senatorial votes...improve the ACA and add a public option which can be done in reconciliation. Concentrate on lowering costs. I would also add that many think Medicare is free. It is not. It covers 80% and has deductibles as well as premiums. There is a shitty drug plan that is very expensive which must be purchased with a wraparound insurance to cover the 20%. This is not the hill to die on as the ACA is already well liked and would be hard to demonetize. I believe we will end up with universal coverage but think it is unlikely that it will be Medicare for all. I would add that lower the age of Medicare to 50 would make sense and help those who in Midlife find themselves unemployable due to age discrimination...also it would help lower premiums for others.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)campaign.
There is not much space for a candidacy that caters to faux economic anxiety while ignoring sexism and using terms like identity politics.
250 years of that shit is enough.
Women ushered in the blue wave. We will not go gentle into that good night.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)bernie concept of 'identity politics." Those I've heard directly defy that charge are: Sherrod Brown, Kamala, Beto and Warren. They've had made it clear that all races are working class, and Democrats work to protect all races, genders, and LGBTQ.
Truthfully, the term identity politics kind of comes across as a dog whistle.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)There was no vetting of sanders last cycle. This cycle there will be substantial vetting. In addition, I really doubt that sanders will release his tax returns. So far sanders has only released two pages of one year's tax return. If sanders does run, I look forward to seeing complete tax returns
still_one
(91,937 posts)running who will also run on it
yardwork
(61,408 posts)Bernie has never released his tax returns, despite many promises to do so. I don't expect that Bernie and Jane Sanders will ever release their tax returns voluntarily. Ergo, Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee.
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)his message. Tough for some to accept this fact.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)He's popular with the "noneoftheaboves", who see being an outsider as a positive quality. Which it is, for a curmudgeon on the sidelines like Sanders, but not for anyone who needs to actually get things done.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Ralph Nader and run in the general election if he loses in the primaries (if he chooses to run). However, he does have millions of supporters and potential voters which can help Democrats win elections. Working together is indeed the way to go.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)over the years. He could be a positive force if he chose to promote liberal principles without such attacks, but he has proven to my satisfaction that he is incapable of doing so.
So, he just needs to be taken out quickly, so that we can get on with the business of finding a candidate that will work for everyone, not just themselves.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Sounds like Democratic leadership doesn't agree with your opinion.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Think about it; if the DNC is one-tenth the political machine the Sanders followers claim it is, then they will deal with him old school.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)requires more than a flippant response.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)brooklynite
(93,839 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)Medicare as it IS is right now, is problematic with certain reimbursements for hospitals and healthcare providers. If we do this they better have a viable planNOT Bernies legislation which has holes a mile wide it it. We need to tackle pharmaceutical companies along side or before allowing them to set their own prices is insane; if we socialize medical care We ALSO need to address the provider and caregiver shortage that will occur, especially in impoverished and rural areas.
The administration of M4A would actually increase government jobs though, although Medicare as it is right now is administered using private insurance companies. I would love to see a more efficient administrative process than we have.
There are many points to be addressed and I want our politicians to address those practical aspects of this.
TexasTowelie
(111,287 posts)I doubt that the obstetricians are looking forward to dealing with Medicare.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)he couldn't win. Not gonna make the same mistake again.
ProgLibDem
(41 posts)Senator Sanders.
Medicare for All is the next evolution of Obamacare.
Hav
(5,969 posts)I seriously doubt that there is one particular idea, policy or person that really influences this decision. I don't think these outside factors rank above his ego and the opportunity to sell another book.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in the general election.
In this era, there is one party to achieve progressive advances through and one party to destroy them through.
There is one party to protect democracy and government of, by and for the people through and one party to replace them with white nationalist authoritarianism through. Those are our two choices.
Speaker Pelosi after taking control of the house:
We must remove all doubt that they do, and say to them: we will have an economy that works for you.
Let us declare that we will call upon the bold thinking needed to address the disparity of income in America which is at the root of the crisis of confidence felt by so many Americans.
As Justice Brandeis said, We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cant have both.
We must end that injustice and restore the publics faith in a better future for themselves and their children.
We must be champions of the middle class, and all those who aspire to it because the middle class is the backbone of democracy.
It has been so since the birth of democracy itself.
Aristotle said, It is manifest that the best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class in which the middle class is large and stronger than all of the other classes.
The American people understand the urgency. The people are ahead of the Congress. The Congress must join them.
That is why we have created the Select Committee on the Climate Crisis. The entire Congress must work to put an end to the inaction and denial of science that threaten the planet and the future.
This is a public health decision for clean air and clean water; an economic decision for Americas global preeminence in green technology; a security decision to keep us safe; and a moral decision to be good stewards of Gods creation.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)These things remain an open question and what happens remains to be seen. But, to avoid disappointment, I'll keep my expectations where they are right now.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)brooklynite
(93,839 posts)...as a mandate. I have no objection to Government-managed health care as a choice.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Its pretty obvious that any dem who doesnt support mfa has no chance winning the nomination.