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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:43 AM Jan 2019

Bernie will probably run, unless some other candidate credibly champions "Medicare for all".

I believe that is the bottom line of it.

There will be a candidate in the 2020 primaries who will champion "Medicare for all" as one of their core positions, in a way that convinces people that this is a firm conviction and not just lip service. Unless some Democrat assumes this role in a credible fashion, there will be space for a Sanders candidacy.

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Bernie will probably run, unless some other candidate credibly champions "Medicare for all". (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jan 2019 OP
What about the public option?!!? Why is MFA the end of the conversation !? uponit7771 Jan 2019 #1
Completely agree. I think the wise candidate advocates this over MFA. OrlandoDem2 Jan 2019 #4
Indeed. The goal should be universal health care in whatever form is the fastest ehrnst Jan 2019 #6
Folks might want to read area51 Jan 2019 #56
It isn't. But it is a position that will likely be represented in the 2020 field in some form. redgreenandblue Jan 2019 #10
MFA is starting to sounds like a purity test when there are other options uponit7771 Jan 2019 #22
You know you don't start bargaining with the position you are willing to accept, right? shanny Jan 2019 #64
Hell in that case start with MFA and paid sick leave, anything else is too low uponit7771 Jan 2019 #83
bargaining 101 shanny Jan 2019 #85
it isn't the end of the conversation. Bernie is just one person advocating for one thing. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #15
Pretty sure Booker, Harris and Warren were on board with MFA. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #18
Yep. They are. That's why I don't support them. I think Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #21
yes how foolish to run on health care for all shanny Jan 2019 #65
Do not try to put words in my mouth. I SAID.... Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #88
I am sure the general public will make that distinction. shanny Jan 2019 #89
Go bother somebody else. nt Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #90
lol shanny Jan 2019 #91
Completely agree... Public Option is the place to start. NT Adrahil Jan 2019 #32
Public Option is the place to settle for...for now. shanny Jan 2019 #66
If the public option is better... Adrahil Jan 2019 #74
Most every other 1st World country has single payer. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #50
Implication of false dichotomy, it's not either or we can have both. I'm no stuck on MFA and wont uponit7771 Jan 2019 #51
Well, if you have single payer, why would you need public option? But, sure. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #63
I don't understand why we have to marry MFA or be accused of being against universal care. betsuni Jan 2019 #93
+1, MFA is starting to look like a purity test ... hope it's not. uponit7771 Jan 2019 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #2
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #5
There is no space for being devisive over a Bernie Danders candidacy CentralMass Jan 2019 #8
There is no escaping divisiveness in a Sanders candidacy...as we have seen with the attacks Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #14
There Are Other Issues Also Me. Jan 2019 #62
I wouldn't vote for him in a primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #82
Thank you for saying this... you beat me too it! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #23
You're right; we all need to agree that he should not run. /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #68
BS is the Divisive one.. he went on CNN Cha Jan 2019 #86
The only ppl that are against him now.. disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #20
No they don't lie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #24
Sorry, that dog don't hunt. Voted for him in the primary, When we had the Treasury funds to do Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #31
This is false on its face, Sanders is a no go from the start because of his taxes. Screw that, we... uponit7771 Jan 2019 #33
Ummm... apparently the numbers DO lie. Adrahil Jan 2019 #34
I see a lot of people on twitter every day and even here on DU that say Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #37
Numbers don't lie Hav Jan 2019 #43
except the estimated* 8 million Obama-to-Trump voters shanny Jan 2019 #67
Sorry, Shanny: "The Myth of the Obama-Trump Voter" emulatorloo Jan 2019 #73
Numbers may not lie, but the people that quote them often do. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #48
LOL Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #58
I was for Sanders in 2016 primary. I will not support him in primary 2020. emulatorloo Jan 2019 #78
That's untrue. Cha Jan 2019 #87
The daily Bernie posts on DU..... Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #27
ALL candidates will have to disclose tax returns, in some states, hopefully Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #52
Bernie will run because of his ego... SidDithers Jan 2019 #3
bernie never walks away from a microphone near him. its always ego beachbum bob Jan 2019 #7
"the only alternative to Hillary in a 2 person race" - And perhaps that was the main problem. redgreenandblue Jan 2019 #9
Guess we'll see. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #25
Julian Castro is a 100%, unequivocal supporter of Medicare for All. bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #11
We'll then, he's obviously a smart candidate... time to take a serious look at JC. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #26
Julian is a solid candidate brokephibroke Jan 2019 #46
So there! Julian Castro would be exponentially Cha Jan 2019 #92
I think M4A would sink an eventual nominee because.. Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #12
He shouldn't run... he will not win a primary and can only divide. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #13
I think recent news has spotlighted one of the big reasons so many are troubled by another Sanders MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #16
Yep. Of the potential candidates, they've been throwing shade at the Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #17
I still think that sanders is busy selling his poorly reviewed book and will not run Gothmog Jan 2019 #19
Elizabeth Warren, a DEMOCRAT, is at least one of those candidates, and there will be more DEMOCRATS still_one Jan 2019 #28
The Democratic nominee in 2020 will have released 10 years of tax returns. yardwork Jan 2019 #35
He needs to stay out. themaguffin Jan 2019 #36
Bernie touched a nerve when he ran in 2016 and millions of Americans responded positively to jalan48 Jan 2019 #38
Yeah, but it was the same nerve for the left that Trump was for the right /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #40
And Bernie is still one of the most popular politicians in the US. jalan48 Jan 2019 #42
So what? That doesn't make him electable, but it can make him a spoiler. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #45
I doubt Bernie would get elected if he ran as an independent and I don't believe he will be another jalan48 Jan 2019 #47
Sanders has made working together impossible with his continued attacks on Democrats LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #49
Is that why the Democrats made Bernie the Chairman of Outreach Committee? jalan48 Jan 2019 #57
They have to mollify his followers; he'll never have any real power. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #59
Good luck with that mollifying. jalan48 Jan 2019 #61
seriously what does that even mean. There are vast differences here, and trying to equate them JCanete Jan 2019 #70
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's a new line of attack on Bernie and Progressives. jalan48 Jan 2019 #84
Where are his tax returns? BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #69
And then millions of others voted for Clinton. Tough for some to accept this fact. brooklynite Jan 2019 #77
MFA is a slogan ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #39
You're definitely correct about the caregiver issue. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #95
Go Bernie! Joe941 Jan 2019 #41
He's still not a Democrat, so no candidacy under our banner. sunonmars Jan 2019 #44
oh I see, you're the arbiter of such matters? Why'd you let him run last time? nt JCanete Jan 2019 #72
Because we mistakenly believed that he would make his points and then bow out when it was clear that LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #74
I hope we have a full line up of progressive democrats running for office...including, ProgLibDem Jan 2019 #53
I doubt that Hav Jan 2019 #54
... LexVegas Jan 2019 #55
As long as he COMMITS to electing the Democratic nominee Hortensis Jan 2019 #60
There's the question of enthusiasm, sincerity, and timeliness as well. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #80
"I alone can fix it so therefore I will run." BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #71
I don't support "Medicare for All"..... brooklynite Jan 2019 #76
I hope not. If nominated, he could not defeat Trump. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #79
I think Warren supports mfa also. AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #81
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. Indeed. The goal should be universal health care in whatever form is the fastest
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:56 AM
Jan 2019

and most politically feasible - because it is a political issue.

The goal of punishing insurance and pharma companies is a separate issue, and should not come before universal health care, but I fear for many, it does.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
10. It isn't. But it is a position that will likely be represented in the 2020 field in some form.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:16 AM
Jan 2019

"Public option" may be more viable in the end, but up until recently no one even appeared to be pushing for that.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
15. it isn't the end of the conversation. Bernie is just one person advocating for one thing.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jan 2019


I welcome a Democrat advocating for a public option. Is anyone who is a contender doing that?

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
18. Pretty sure Booker, Harris and Warren were on board with MFA.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:52 AM
Jan 2019

Gillibrand too.

But, I think strengthening Obamacare will probably be where the party heads.

Several new progressive House candidates who ran on MFA lost their bids to Democrats who ran on the ACA or expanding Medicare or Medicaid to a public option.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
21. Yep. They are. That's why I don't support them. I think
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jan 2019

it's a foolish move that will come back to bite Democrats.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
88. Do not try to put words in my mouth. I SAID....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

running specifically on Medicare for All is not practical. I never said I don't support health care for all. Reading is fundamental.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
89. I am sure the general public will make that distinction.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

What exactly is the problem in running on something that people understand and can relate to?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
74. If the public option is better...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

... people will naturally gravitate towards it.

We should also, IMO, look to a transition away from employer provided plans.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,857 posts)
50. Most every other 1st World country has single payer.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

Why is that something that, magically, the US can't manage?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
51. Implication of false dichotomy, it's not either or we can have both. I'm no stuck on MFA and wont
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

... purity test based on it.

No PO or MFA = a ding in the policy for me.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,857 posts)
63. Well, if you have single payer, why would you need public option? But, sure.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:50 PM
Jan 2019

And where do you get the idea I'm on some "purity test"? I'm saying we can certainly have single payer, and I feel that would be a better option. Though I agree that we need one or the other.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
93. I don't understand why we have to marry MFA or be accused of being against universal care.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 07:55 PM
Jan 2019

An ACA public option and lowered age to 55 to be eligible for Medicare were in the 2016 party platform. Whatever's the fastest and easiest way to get health care to as many people as possible is what matters, not a slogan.

Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
14. There is no escaping divisiveness in a Sanders candidacy...as we have seen with the attacks
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)

on Beto and a very divisive fund raising letter sent by Sen. Sanders himself. He should remain in the Senate too because, there is a Republican governor in Vermont who will appoint a Republican to his seat should he win.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
62. There Are Other Issues Also
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jan 2019

Tax returns, the problems regarding sexual abuse & pay inequity in his campaign and the fact that he's an avowed non-DEm.

Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #30)

Cha

(295,899 posts)
86. BS is the Divisive one.. he went on CNN
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jan 2019

after the GE on Nov 16, 2016 and called my Democratic party "the party of the elite".. made it all about himself when people were hurting from the rigging in of trump.

Turns out everything he said about it was proven wrong.

And, he calls the Democratic Party the "financial elite" in his "mass email". That's Divisive.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
20. The only ppl that are against him now..
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jan 2019

were against him in 2016... oh, and were against Obama in 2008

#'s don't lie..

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
29. Sorry, that dog don't hunt. Voted for him in the primary, When we had the Treasury funds to do
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:03 PM
Jan 2019

the things he proposed. The GOP stuck their coke straw in that "reserve' and snorted that up w a tax cut for themselves, AGAIN.
You vote the nominee, and if you don't, you are more of a hindrance than a help, to the goals you hope to achieve.

Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #20)

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
33. This is false on its face, Sanders is a no go from the start because of his taxes. Screw that, we...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

... don't need to go through the process of trusting people

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
34. Ummm... apparently the numbers DO lie.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jan 2019

1) I was in for Obama from the beginning in 2008.
2) I was was for HRC in 2016. I was ambivalent to Sanders until his divisive tactics. Now I am adamantly opposed to him.
3) My wife supported BS in 2016. Voted for him the primary. She will now NOT support him.

So..... your "numbers" seem to be wrong after all.

Bernie is all about Bernie.... that will never change.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
37. I see a lot of people on twitter every day and even here on DU that say
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

they supported him in 2016 but will not support him now.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
43. Numbers don't lie
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jan 2019

but some people just make stuff up in contradiction to the numbers. Clinton basically won with the similarly diverse group of voters that was behind Obama's success. Not sure why one needs to lie.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
73. Sorry, Shanny: "The Myth of the Obama-Trump Voter"
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jan 2019

Most of them were Republicans, and it was their Obama vote that was aberrational.



THE MYTH OF THE OBAMA-TRUMP VOTER

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/08/myth-obama-trump-voter

When you see surveys showing fairly high numbers of Obama-Trump voters, remember that such surveys are unreliable because too many people claim retroactively to have voted for the winning candidate. Once you control for this by re-interviewing voters whose votes were recorded contemporaneously, you find that 1)there weren’t all that many and 2)most of them were >>>>Republicans<<<< whose votes for Obama were aberrational, and would have been overwhelmingly likely to vote for the Republican nominee irrespective of who either party nominated:

<snip>

In 2008, a larger-than-usual number of Republican voters went with Obama during an extraordinary time, when the economy was in free fall and an incumbent Republican president was deeply unpopular. ANES polling found that 17 percent of Obama voters in 2008 had been for George W. Bush in 2004, compared with the 13 percent of Trump voters, the same survey found, who supported Obama at least once. These people aren’t Obama-Trump voters as much as they were Bush-Obama voters.

More at link.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
78. I was for Sanders in 2016 primary. I will not support him in primary 2020.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

I’m not the only one who is disillusioned by Senator Sanders. He’s a great Senator for Vermont. However I no longer feel he has what it takes to be President.

Of course if he wins the nomination I will vote for him. I always vote for the eventual nominee.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
27. The daily Bernie posts on DU.....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jan 2019

you can almost set your watch by them. No Hillary next time? No justice for her win the last time? Bernie can step right off imho. Why does he get another bite of the apple? He didn't even win. For those who think HRC wouldn't have fought for everything Bernie would've done and more, you're kidding yourself. HRC was THE FIRST to try to get us all health care, and she was burned for 25 years for it. Bernie was a late comer to that party. Never forget. HRC needs some Presidential Recompense in my mind, before we do anything to give Bernie another chance. HRC needs to be president. That's fair, and that's how America rolls. imho.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
3. Bernie will run because of his ego...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jan 2019

and despite the fact that there will be several much more qualified candidates touting solid Democratic ideals who are also running.

It was easy for him to be "successful" as the only alternative to Hillary in a 2 person race.

As one of a crowd of highly successful, charismatic, driven candidates, I don't expect him to do nearly as well.


Sid

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
7. bernie never walks away from a microphone near him. its always ego
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jan 2019

and hence, more about him standing on a soap box than actually legislating.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
9. "the only alternative to Hillary in a 2 person race" - And perhaps that was the main problem.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:08 AM
Jan 2019

The perception that there weren't any options to choose from in large parts drove the dynamics of the 2016 primaries. The "not Hillary" vote had to go somewhere and Bernie just happened to be around.

bullwinkle428

(20,626 posts)
11. Julian Castro is a 100%, unequivocal supporter of Medicare for All.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:21 AM
Jan 2019

He stated that in an interview with Lawrence O'Donnell when he was discussing his potential candidacy.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
92. So there! Julian Castro would be exponentially
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 07:18 PM
Jan 2019

a better candidate than the divisive one.

Castro appreciates what the Dem Party has Accomplished.. doesn't go on tv dissing them all the time.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
12. I think M4A would sink an eventual nominee because..
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jan 2019

Seniors have heard for decades how medicare funding will evaporate within the next decade. Seniors will not want to make any changes to the system that would imperil their current benefits. I believe it would be smarter to campaign on medicare for 55 or 50 even. But not for all. For under 55 there could be another single payer system. But it should be clear that Medicare is protected and strengthened to protect seniors.

Bernie is currently polling at 5% with seniors in a recent Washington Post-Shar School post. Bernie's M4A support may be reflected in this number.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
13. He shouldn't run... he will not win a primary and can only divide.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jan 2019

You can champion Medicare for all...but it won't happen without 60 senatorial votes...improve the ACA and add a public option which can be done in reconciliation. Concentrate on lowering costs. I would also add that many think Medicare is free. It is not. It covers 80% and has deductibles as well as premiums. There is a shitty drug plan that is very expensive which must be purchased with a wraparound insurance to cover the 20%. This is not the hill to die on as the ACA is already well liked and would be hard to demonetize. I believe we will end up with universal coverage but think it is unlikely that it will be Medicare for all. I would add that lower the age of Medicare to 50 would make sense and help those who in Midlife find themselves unemployable due to age discrimination...also it would help lower premiums for others.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
16. I think recent news has spotlighted one of the big reasons so many are troubled by another Sanders
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jan 2019

campaign.

There is not much space for a candidacy that caters to faux “economic anxiety” while ignoring sexism and using terms like “identity politics”.

250 years of that shit is enough.

Women ushered in the blue wave. We will not go gentle into that good night.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
17. Yep. Of the potential candidates, they've been throwing shade at the
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jan 2019

bernie concept of 'identity politics." Those I've heard directly defy that charge are: Sherrod Brown, Kamala, Beto and Warren. They've had made it clear that all races are working class, and Democrats work to protect all races, genders, and LGBTQ.

Truthfully, the term identity politics kind of comes across as a dog whistle.

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
19. I still think that sanders is busy selling his poorly reviewed book and will not run
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jan 2019

There was no vetting of sanders last cycle. This cycle there will be substantial vetting. In addition, I really doubt that sanders will release his tax returns. So far sanders has only released two pages of one year's tax return. If sanders does run, I look forward to seeing complete tax returns

still_one

(91,937 posts)
28. Elizabeth Warren, a DEMOCRAT, is at least one of those candidates, and there will be more DEMOCRATS
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

running who will also run on it

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
35. The Democratic nominee in 2020 will have released 10 years of tax returns.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jan 2019

Bernie has never released his tax returns, despite many promises to do so. I don't expect that Bernie and Jane Sanders will ever release their tax returns voluntarily. Ergo, Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
38. Bernie touched a nerve when he ran in 2016 and millions of Americans responded positively to
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jan 2019

his message. Tough for some to accept this fact.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
45. So what? That doesn't make him electable, but it can make him a spoiler.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jan 2019

He's popular with the "noneoftheaboves", who see being an outsider as a positive quality. Which it is, for a curmudgeon on the sidelines like Sanders, but not for anyone who needs to actually get things done.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
47. I doubt Bernie would get elected if he ran as an independent and I don't believe he will be another
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jan 2019

Ralph Nader and run in the general election if he loses in the primaries (if he chooses to run). However, he does have millions of supporters and potential voters which can help Democrats win elections. Working together is indeed the way to go.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
49. Sanders has made working together impossible with his continued attacks on Democrats
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jan 2019

over the years. He could be a positive force if he chose to promote liberal principles without such attacks, but he has proven to my satisfaction that he is incapable of doing so.

So, he just needs to be taken out quickly, so that we can get on with the business of finding a candidate that will work for everyone, not just themselves.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
57. Is that why the Democrats made Bernie the Chairman of Outreach Committee?
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jan 2019

Sounds like Democratic leadership doesn't agree with your opinion.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
59. They have to mollify his followers; he'll never have any real power.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jan 2019

Think about it; if the DNC is one-tenth the political machine the Sanders followers claim it is, then they will deal with him old school.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
70. seriously what does that even mean. There are vast differences here, and trying to equate them
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jan 2019

requires more than a flippant response.

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
39. MFA is a slogan
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jan 2019

Medicare as it IS is right now, is problematic with certain reimbursements for hospitals and healthcare providers. If we do this they better have a viable plan—NOT Bernie’s legislation which has holes a mile wide it it. We need to tackle pharmaceutical companies along side or before— allowing them to set their own prices is insane; if we socialize medical care We ALSO need to address the provider and caregiver shortage that will occur, especially in impoverished and rural areas.

The administration of M4A would actually increase government jobs though, although Medicare as it is right now is administered using private insurance companies. I would love to see a more efficient administrative process than we have.

There are many points to be addressed and I want our politicians to address those practical aspects of this.

TexasTowelie

(111,287 posts)
95. You're definitely correct about the caregiver issue.
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 07:26 AM
Jan 2019

I doubt that the obstetricians are looking forward to dealing with Medicare.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
74. Because we mistakenly believed that he would make his points and then bow out when it was clear that
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

he couldn't win. Not gonna make the same mistake again.

 

ProgLibDem

(41 posts)
53. I hope we have a full line up of progressive democrats running for office...including,
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

Senator Sanders.

Medicare for All is the next evolution of Obamacare.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
54. I doubt that
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

I seriously doubt that there is one particular idea, policy or person that really influences this decision. I don't think these outside factors rank above his ego and the opportunity to sell another book.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. As long as he COMMITS to electing the Democratic nominee
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jan 2019

in the general election.

In this era, there is one party to achieve progressive advances through and one party to destroy them through.

There is one party to protect democracy and government of, by and for the people through and one party to replace them with white nationalist authoritarianism through. Those are our two choices.

Speaker Pelosi after taking control of the house:

We have heard from too many families who wonder, in this time of innovation and globalization, if they have a place in the economy of tomorrow.

We must remove all doubt that they do, and say to them: we will have an economy that works for you.

Let us declare that we will call upon the bold thinking needed to address the disparity of income in America – which is at the root of the crisis of confidence felt by so many Americans.

As Justice Brandeis said, “We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.”

We must end that injustice and restore the public’s faith in a better future for themselves and their children.

We must be champions of the middle class, and all those who aspire to it – because the middle class is the backbone of democracy.

It has been so since the birth of democracy itself.

Aristotle said, “It is manifest that the best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class…in which the middle class is large and stronger than all of the other classes.”


We must also face the existential threat of our time: the climate crisis – a crisis manifested in natural disasters of epic proportions.

The American people understand the urgency. The people are ahead of the Congress. The Congress must join them.

That is why we have created the Select Committee on the Climate Crisis. The entire Congress must work to put an end to the inaction and denial of science that threaten the planet and the future.

This is a public health decision for clean air and clean water; an economic decision for America’s global preeminence in green technology; a security decision to keep us safe; and a moral decision to be good stewards of God’s creation.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
80. There's the question of enthusiasm, sincerity, and timeliness as well.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

These things remain an open question and what happens remains to be seen. But, to avoid disappointment, I'll keep my expectations where they are right now.

brooklynite

(93,839 posts)
76. I don't support "Medicare for All".....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jan 2019

...as a mandate. I have no objection to Government-managed health care as a choice.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
81. I think Warren supports mfa also.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jan 2019

It’s pretty obvious that any dem who doesnt support mfa has no chance winning the nomination.

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