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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:12 AM Jan 2019

Anyone who shuts the government down for an amendment is to blame

Let me see if I can explain my position here. Funding the government is the duty of all of our elected officials. During that funding debate in both branches of Congress and with the president's input, certain funding proposals pass or fail.

If a proposal fails to enter into the funding measure, too fucking bad. I don't care what side you're on. If you want to pass a bill or measure, try a different tactic. Win elections, gain votes, convince people, but don't hold the government hostage.

The only reason this tactic is used is because an issue, whatever it is, can not pass on its own. The American people should never, ever succumb to this hostage taking tactic.

If Trump can get the votes to fund his fucking wall, then he can build the damn thing. But he can't get the votes, even when the Republicans controlled every segment of the American government. And don't tell me about the filibuster and that he needed 60 votes in the Senate, because that's not true. The Senate could have changed the cloture rule by a simple majority and Trump called for that, but at least 7 Republican Senators said that they would not change the rule for the wall.

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Anyone who shuts the government down for an amendment is to blame (Original Post) louis c Jan 2019 OP
I think it may not be so hard to get twenty GOP votes for impeachment. marble falls Jan 2019 #1
Technically, the Senate convicts... louis c Jan 2019 #2
I know that. You misunderstood. We don't need any GOP votes in the House, right? marble falls Jan 2019 #3
I understood your point, I just wanted you to be technically correct. louis c Jan 2019 #4
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
2. Technically, the Senate convicts...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jan 2019

...the House impeaches.

It's kinda like our criminal system. Impeachment is similar to an indictment. The jury trial is in the Senate.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
4. I understood your point, I just wanted you to be technically correct.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jan 2019

The evidence will have to be overwhelming and public opinion needs to put Trump under 30% to get two thirds of the Senate.

What's more likely is a censure, where simple majorities are all that's needed, but the airing of evidence is all public.

Andrew Jackson was once censured by the Senate. That was latter retracted on his last day in office after a new Senate more in line politically with Jackson was sworn in.

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