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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK - Is this why impeachment is off the table for now?
Because Trump is about to self-destruct?
And, if not... Mueller.
It makes sense to sound reasonable and say we want to work with the President while launching numerous investigations. In short time, Trump will go so off the wall that even the "so called Christians" will have to say enough is enough.
So, Trump self-destructs or Mueller brings the hammer down.
No reason to seem over anxious if it's going to happen in due course.
Plus, waiting for Mueller will probably include more than Trump. I'm expecting Mitch to get his due along with many others.
It's 2019 and we have an incredible new house. We're turning the tables and showing Republicans how to govern.
Just imagine if Trump and Pence fall. President Pelosi!
We hold that in our hands today.
Baltimike
(4,126 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)So the only options left are Mueller or driving him insane. Ok - more insane. Over the edge.
Baltimike
(4,126 posts)This isn't something we can do willy nilly. So, your "only options left" are just wrong.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)OK - What else do we have? Hopelessness?
2naSalit
(86,061 posts)the kids and cheato loses it.
dem4decades
(11,244 posts)Would the Senate still not impeach him?
I'm not saying that's the case but it certainly is within the realm of possibility.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Impeachment is always a very difficult thing to pull off. And politicians naturally want cover for one of the most important votes in their careers. It makes sense to not only wait for Mueller, but to wait for the results of their own investigations. And they are only just now starting those investigations.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and 20 + Republican Senators is why
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)JI7
(89,182 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,496 posts)but I do think the self-destruction is ongoing, escalating and likely to lead to him losing a significant amount of support in the Senate.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,496 posts)Six months is practically an eternity with that piece of dangerous filth still pretending to be the leader of the free world.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)If Trump leaves office, Pence becomes president - and the 25th Amendment requires him to appoint a new vice-president, who would have to be confirmed by both houses of Congress. Only if Pence can't get a new vp confirmed before he gets taken down will the presidency then transfer to Nancy Pelosi.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)I didnt realize a vice president had to be confirmed it both chambers, but you are right.
How ironic would it be if Speaker Pelosi refused to hold a confirmation vote and became president that way?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)We'll know when and if impeachment is imminent. I prefer he run out of time and get voted out of office. I really don't want this fucker cutting any deals.
0rganism
(23,856 posts)personally, i think when the time is right, there won't be a problem getting 20-30 senate Republicans to vote for removal. unless they're all in on it, in which case impeachment is a waste of time anyway and we need to focus on exposing the crimes of senate Republicans instead so they can be booted from office ASAP.
anyway, for impeachment+removal to succeed, the president's crimes must be easily understood and the relevant evidence has to be made public. otherwise, Faux News will be able to convince key senate constituencies that his crimes are nonexistent and/or trivial, and we don't get to 20 before 2020.
Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)If Mitch and a few of his colleagues go down for, say, knowingly accepting Russian money, we could have a very different Senate. Two-thirds of the remainder would then be a more attainable goal than at present. To see even a few of their colleagues face prison would make remaining Republican Senators more inclined to take a stand against the conspirators.
But as you say, the public must be introduced to the conspiracy narrative in a credible way, and Mueller seems likely to do that by speaking through indictments. If the extent of corruption is horrific enough, public opinion could move significantly away from Trump. I hope our country can hold together and Muellers actions not be seen as too partisan, particularly since his case if all about the RNC; but the Right is already poisoning the well.
edbermac
(15,919 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)There have to be hearings. Hearings that will expose evidence that even today's crop of republicans can't excuse or deny, leaving them no room to vote for trump. Their vileness knows no bounds, so I wonder if that is even possible. Personally I think trump could kill, cook, and eat a baby on live TV and McConnell would volunteer to lick his fingers clean. Then blame Pelosi for making him do it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)and then molest the corpse on top of it ... and the knuckle-draggers would still blame Obama and Clinton ...
Their sickness has absolutely no bottom.
Enoki33
(1,584 posts)percent that believes the Fox propaganda will see it as some sort of attempted coup. Better to have the criminal / traitor overwhelmingly rejected at the ballot box. The criminal justice system, coupled with release of the results of the various investigations, will take care of him. His disgrace will be complete when he finally loses the towering symbols of his vanity and corruption. He may end up in jail, or maybe even Russia.
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)We need to have an case that is not seen as partisan. It is the only way to get the Senate on board.
That means house hearings and investigations, overwhelming evidence, and probably a report from Mueller.
kimbutgar
(20,882 posts)That people watching at home say this guy is frickin nuts!
Between Mueller and the Democratic congress holding hearings and investigations he is going to blow up in the next few months. Remember the had a nervous breakdown according to Ivanka after his first bankruptcy. I see the stress and pressure taking him down.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)When people stop getting tax refunds, and can't get countless other gov't services, then Trump's popularity (such as it is) will fall apart (what's left of it). That's when Mueller and the House Democrats should start releasing evidence of Trump's role in the mess.
If Watergate is a guide, the GOP will lockstep their way through as if nothing was wrong, until one day, a bunch of them out of nowhere dump Trump all at once, and then the resignation will come swiftly.
Turbineguy
(37,212 posts)Trump needs to fuck up a lot worse than Nixon did.
This emergency powers thing might do the trick.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,750 posts)that Trump wasn't going to last very long at all.
I'm afraid we'll be extremely lucky if he's gone on January 20, 2021. And I wouldn't even count on that.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)This is how Watergate worked. Nixon was elected in a landslide in 1972 and most Americans approved of him right up until nearly the day he resigned. The reason Nixon's support collapsed was because of the select committee and its public hearnings that revealed everything that transpired, all the conspiracies, dirty tricks and ultimately the Oval Office WH audio tapes.
This is why it's important for Mueller to finish his investigation and for Dems to supplement that with public hearings to expose the corruption of Trump and his admin. Dems can also fill in some blanks like who owned the blocked phone number Jr called while setting up the June 16 Trump Tower meeting and other things.
Think of impeachment as ground that has to be prepared before planting and nurtured before harvesting.