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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:54 PM Jan 2019

NYT-Joe Biden sees himself as the Democrats best hope in 2020

We are blessed to have a number of great candidates. I have a soft place in my heart for Joe. I brought back a number of signs used during the National Convention and my son grabbed one of the Joe's signs. I took one for myself and the other delegate to the convention grabbed the last one. I believe that Joe would probably matched up best with trump


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NYT-Joe Biden sees himself as the Democrats best hope in 2020 (Original Post) Gothmog Jan 2019 OP
As soon as you get through the first paragraphs it becomes a typical RW hit piece... pecosbob Jan 2019 #1
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #2
The article was written with the intention of triggering that very reaction... pecosbob Jan 2019 #3
Thank you for that. Cha Jan 2019 #13
I'm recommending a strict non-cannibal diet this time around the block... pecosbob Jan 2019 #15
Based upon three days in Iowa, Senator Warren is gaining steam. Blue_true Jan 2019 #4
She is the only one there. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #17
She's the only show in town at the moment madville Jan 2019 #24
Leadership is about recognizing opportunity and devising a strategy to capture it. Blue_true Jan 2019 #30
No surprise there!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #28
Um, not sure this is a major selling point BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #5
No... 2020 is a good opportunity to take the Senate. mwooldri Jan 2019 #8
Joe Biden, like *all* Democrats, presents a strong contrast with Trump on policy RockRaven Jan 2019 #6
We could use his experience, especially foreign policy, but R B Garr Jan 2019 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author pecosbob Jan 2019 #9
I could see Harris as VP with Biden, none of the rest mentioned madville Jan 2019 #25
I think we would be better served not losing a seated Senator pecosbob Jan 2019 #10
Remember Biden first ran for prez in 1988 DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #11
Biden looks good, strong, and healthy.. he's Cha Jan 2019 #12
Plus he rides the train, yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2019 #14
+1 lol Cha Jan 2019 #16
Looks like he's heading for a burnout guruoo Jan 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #19
Biden still has a problem with many women. He isn't the candidate for the post Me,too era. pnwmom Jan 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2019 #21
Can you imagine the reaction to a headline "Hillary sees herself as the Democrats best hope in 2020* EffieBlack Jan 2019 #22
Obi Wan Kenobi 2020. johnp3907 Jan 2019 #27
Yup, the great white hope. delisen Jan 2019 #31
I am going to Dorian Gray Jan 2019 #23
Joe has all the advantages right now madville Jan 2019 #26
I like Biden TexasAggieDemocrat12 Jan 2019 #29
kick bigtree Jan 2019 #32

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
1. As soon as you get through the first paragraphs it becomes a typical RW hit piece...
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jan 2019

I support Biden and others who want to enter the race. We need not criticize Dem candidates here, the right will take care of that.

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pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
3. The article was written with the intention of triggering that very reaction...
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:05 AM
Jan 2019

leave bashing of Dem candidates to the right.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. Based upon three days in Iowa, Senator Warren is gaining steam.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:07 AM
Jan 2019

I thought that Joe would have a clear path, but Senator Warren could upend him.

madville

(7,408 posts)
24. She's the only show in town at the moment
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jan 2019

And getting all the attention, the room is about to get crowded though in the next two weeks. It was a great strategy move to jump out first on her part and could even possibly bump her out of the single digits in polling in Iowa.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. Leadership is about recognizing opportunity and devising a strategy to capture it.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:43 PM - Edit history (1)

She did that. Let's see how that works out.

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
5. Um, not sure this is a major selling point
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jan 2019
“This is a guy who actually gets along with Mitch McConnell and a number of other Republicans,” said Mr. Carper, invoking the Senate majority leader with whom Mr. Biden worked closely to negotiate a handful of agreements in the Obama years.

mwooldri

(10,302 posts)
8. No... 2020 is a good opportunity to take the Senate.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jan 2019

Minority leader Mitch McConnell sounds nice to me. Former Senator sounds even better.

Majority writes the rules. A Democratic Senate could make it a majority vote for everything, do away with the 60 vote rule (unless the constitution says otherwise).

So you're right... being nice with McTurtle isn't a major selling point.

RockRaven

(14,950 posts)
6. Joe Biden, like *all* Democrats, presents a strong contrast with Trump on policy
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019

But therein lies the rub... What constitutes the best opponent? Especially since categorically any Democrat will strongly contrast with Trump on policy.

Maximal contrast in all aspects, political and personal?
Contrast in some aspects but not others?
Similarities in all aspects except those which must exist to still be a Democrat?

Biden has a lot of superficial similarities with Trump (age, gender, ethnicity, top-level categorical monotheism [alleged in Trump's case, anyhow]). And if you think most voters are insightful and wonky then those similarities don't matter because there is so much substantive difference between the two. If you think most voters are superficial and poorly informed, then support of Biden as Trump's best opponent if Right Wing deza. Which is it? Well, you decide.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
7. We could use his experience, especially foreign policy, but
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jan 2019

with a young VP, like Beto, Harris, Abrams or Gillum — a fairly new campaigner on the national stage.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #7)

madville

(7,408 posts)
25. I could see Harris as VP with Biden, none of the rest mentioned
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:54 AM
Jan 2019

A Biden campaign would need some diversity in it's VP pick to contrast the "old white guy" -ness he brings along. That means he either needs a woman or someone of color or both. I don't think Abrams or Gillum have the resumes to be realistic VP picks though.

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
10. I think we would be better served not losing a seated Senator
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:21 AM
Jan 2019

such as Ms. Warren or Ms. Harris or Ms. Klobuchar, but that's what primaries are for...


Edit...not a gender thing in any way.

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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
20. Biden still has a problem with many women. He isn't the candidate for the post Me,too era.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:27 AM
Jan 2019

Both because of his failure to fully support Anita Hill, especially by not calling the women who were prepared to offer corroborating testimony; and in his overly physical way of showing affection. There are too many pictures out there showing him nuzzling girls and women while they squirm uncomfortably. Those photos would come back to haunt us.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/joe-biden-anita-hill-kavanaugh-833598

Now a front-runner in early Democratic primary polls, Biden was pilloried at the time for his handling of the 1991 confirmation hearings of then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. Thomas was accused by Hill of inappropriate sexual behavior, and Biden was criticized for failing to blunt attacks on Hill and for not calling witnesses who could have supported her.

“It certainly was not his best moment,” said former Rep. Pat Schroeder (D-Colo.), one of seven Democratic women who dramatically marched to the room where Senate Democrats were caucusing in 1991 in an attempt to make their case for why the vote on Thomas should be delayed as a result of Hill's accusations. “To have railroaded that through and not listened to the other three women and let his colleagues absolutely tear her apart was absolutely horrible.”

SNIP

In an interview with Elle , published Tuesday, Hill noted that Biden last year acknowledged he owed her an apology. But he never took the next step.

“‘He said, ‘I owe her an apology.’ People were asking, ‘When are you going to apologize to her?’”’ Hill told Elle of Biden. “It’s become sort of a running joke in the household when someone rings the doorbell and we’re not expecting company. ‘Oh,’ we say, ‘is that Joe Biden coming to apologize?’”

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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
22. Can you imagine the reaction to a headline "Hillary sees herself as the Democrats best hope in 2020*
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jan 2019

"Get over yourself, Hillary" would be one of the more charitable responses.

It's still a man's world ...

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
23. I am going to
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:00 AM
Jan 2019

really not put all my hopes on any one candidate and let the primaries sort it all out.

I have people i feel I like and I have people that I don't like so much.

But the truth is, any potential candidate, even the ones that make me wariest, is a much better option than the fool that's sitting (while getting ready to tweet) on the golden toilet in the white house right now.

madville

(7,408 posts)
26. Joe has all the advantages right now
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:04 AM
Jan 2019

Name recognition, big time potential donors and backers, and is the most experienced of anyone mentioned. His most important advantage though is that he can basically go live in Iowa, NH and SC and campaign everyday while most other top tier candidates have Senate duties that require them in DC at least half the time.

 
29. I like Biden
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:49 AM
Jan 2019

and I would not be opposed to him, but he is not doing the party any good with those types of comments. He is clearly running.

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