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(7,534 posts)The NYT kind of likes trying to convince Dems to devour their own kind.
JI7
(89,244 posts)triron
(21,988 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... I think his delusional ass is telling the truth but in reality he could've just done what's usual and customary.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Neera Tanden said that? Maybe the Center for American Progress needs to get someone who is more "progressive".
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)and anyone else they can rile up!
RockRaven
(14,950 posts)the ailment. Yes, HRC faced multiple malignant forces which in an ideal world she ought not have had to deal with...
It is essential that the Democratic nominee WIN in 2020, regardless of which Democrat that ends up being. We cannot afford to be starry eyed or idealistic or moralizing if said posture risks the victory. Even if that means we don't get our favorite Dem. For example, I'd rather have a Senate majority [or tie with a VP] WITH Manchin than a Senate minority without him. I'd never vote for him in my state, and I wish WV would elect a different Dem in the general but it seems they would likely not do so, so he's a damn sight better FOR THE NATION AND THE WORLD than ANY Repuke having that seat.
It sucks to be pragmatic about the hang-ups and biases of our f--ked up voter populace, but we need to be realistic. A second term of Trump could genuinely mean global human annihilation, never mind the end of our constitutional republic. So let's not ignore the misogyny of some fraction of American voters just because Russia also messed with our election. Do you think they won't be doing this next time too?
guruoo
(5,092 posts)First, a head's up. "Constitutional republic" is a term that conservatives often use to downplay the role of Democracy in our governing process. They spread it around hoping it will catch on. Ever notice how people hardly ever refer anymore to government here as 'our government'? Now it's 'the government', because Grover Norquist led conservatives to begin spreading it around again and again until it finally stuck.
By definition, having the vote is Democratic which would make us a Democratic Republic.
It's ok, we're good
progressoid
(49,961 posts)In the book, and in news appearances, Clinton has pinned her loss on several different factors, such as how journalists covered the election, former FBI Director James Comey, and the questions asked at debates.
Here are the 16 reasons Hillary says she lost:
1. Herself: In her book, Hillary blames her "damn emails," her remarks about putting coal miners out of business, and calling Trump's supporters "deplorable."
2. Russia: "What Putin wanted to do was...influence our election, and he's not exactly fond of strong women, so you add that together and that's pretty much what it means."
3. The DNC: "I'm now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party. It was bankrupt...I had to inject money into it - the DNC - to keep it going."
4. Sexism and misogyny: "Sexism and misogyny played a role in the 2016 presidential election. Exhibit A is that the flagrantly sexist candidate won."
5. etc
pecosbob
(7,534 posts)A Democratic predecessor: "It's really difficult to succeed a president of your own party who has served two terms. That is a historical fact."
A really big something. The last successful candidate in this situation was James freaking Buchanan.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)pecosbob
(7,534 posts)I think the catch in the statistic was that the candidate had not been an incumbent with the inherent advantage that this brings and I guess GWB had been VP prior to running for President. It made the statistic sound better but was in fact a technicality.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)They did it to Obama due to his race and they would do it to Hillary due to her gender. I do not think she wasn't elected for this particular reason but it would certainly be used to attack her over anything and everything. Obama was squeaky clean for 8 years and he was harassed the entire time, the same would happen to a woman. That is how the GOP is...fucking bullies (who happen to be mostly older, white men).
pecosbob
(7,534 posts)or perhaps the Cuckoo Caucus would be more appropriate...
mastermind
(229 posts)she would have come out swinging, destroying them before they even knew what hit them.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But pundits, with a huge assist from plenty of Dems, would have blamed her for the "divisiveness" and would have waxed nostalgic about how this wouldn't have happened if Trump had won ...
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