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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:54 AM Jan 2019

How the Republicans can rescue the country without a Trump impeachment?

The Republicans will eventually realize that the threat to their Party and our country is from Donald Trump, not the Republican "base". Their "base" will simply find another shiny nut, once Trump is gone. Just like the Tea Party when they threatened to leave the Republicans but were easily coaxed back into the fold.

How do they get Trump to leave without him being impeached and convicted? That would be the ideal solution for both Parties.

There is a scenario where Trump might force McConnell's hand by assuming authority to build a "wall" on his own, in the name of "national security". If that were to happen, there is the chance that McConnell would simply bring the House bill to open up the government up for a vote. With McConnell's blessing, it would again receive almost unanimous support from both Parties.

This would force Trump's hand and he would veto the bill, in hopes that the Republicans would unite behind him, because of their "base" and their instinctual desire for survival. But, it would be a miscalculation on his part. The Senate would override his veto.

For Trump, an over-ride of his veto would be the same as an impeachment vote. He cannot tolerate such a threat over his head. He would attempt to negotiate his resignation. If that could not be negotiated, he would agree not to run for re-election in 2020.

That is a scenario for how the Republicans can get us out of this "crisis". Donald Trump has done all the good he can do for them. He is now a liability to the Party and to the country. If they can simply find a way to over-ride his veto, he will see the writing on the wall. The decision is in the hands of Mitch McConnell and the Republican Senate.

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How the Republicans can rescue the country without a Trump impeachment? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2019 OP
Fuck 'em all. Cary Jan 2019 #1
I don't see Trump resigning over his veto being overidden. ooky Jan 2019 #2
Trump would interpret an over-ride of his veto as a threat to him personally. kentuck Jan 2019 #4
What's your basis for this assessment? brooklynite Jan 2019 #3
They trust McConnell more than they trust Trump. kentuck Jan 2019 #5
All of them? I don't see the conservative true-believers being that loyal brooklynite Jan 2019 #6
They are followers. kentuck Jan 2019 #7
I have zero faith in mcconnell. spanone Jan 2019 #8
That's where the safe betting money is. Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #9
fools and their money. spanone Jan 2019 #10
Then Trump would go and McConnell would stay? JohnnyLib2 Jan 2019 #11
Uhh, what have you been drinking? rusty fender Jan 2019 #12

ooky

(8,922 posts)
2. I don't see Trump resigning over his veto being overidden.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jan 2019

I do think McConnell will eventually be forced to bring the House bill(s) to a vote to end the shutdown, and that Congress will overide Trump's veto. But Trump won't resign. He needs his office to fend off prosecution of himself and his family.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
4. Trump would interpret an over-ride of his veto as a threat to him personally.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jan 2019

He would no longer feel protected by his "base" or the Republican Party. To his way of thinking, if they could get two-thirds for over-ride, they could get two-thirds for impeachment.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
3. What's your basis for this assessment?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:21 AM
Jan 2019

Passing the budget requires a majority. Overriding a veto requires 2/3 of both the House and Senate. What's your basis for assuming that enough Republican House and Senate members in office today will go along?

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
5. They trust McConnell more than they trust Trump.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jan 2019

If McConnell voted to over-ride, they would follow along.

JohnnyLib2

(11,211 posts)
11. Then Trump would go and McConnell would stay?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:06 AM
Jan 2019

I'm sitting in Kentucky, have watched Mc's entire career, and flatly see this as the most likely outcome. A snake, rather than a turtle, hiding in the bushes.....
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