surprised that more corporate owned "news" papers have not joined in concert, I mean, they are Republican owned and controlled.

The M$M is not our friend. If it were impartial Trump would be impeached by now.

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual bj. Trump has done way more since he became president than Nixon could ever dream of. I need to say that what Clinton did was horrible, he abused his power to say the least.

Heck NBC News front page is a big F-U as well

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Trying to keep everything equal when it is not. They have been bullied so long by the right, they are always afraid of appearing partial or worse..... LIBERAL. This kind of reporting helped get us to where we are now.

as we are a capitalistic plutocracy.

party."

Lack of a functioning brain producing.... thinking.

Why did nbc fire Phil Donahue, Olbermann, Uygur, Brashear, Big Ed, Harris/Perry, Dylan Ratigan, when they were all popular?

I know it’s not ideal, in terms of being informed, but it’s all I can do to not explode just reading the summaries here! The subtle spinning, or sometimes NOT subtle bias makes me so angry, but I can’t change that reality. It’s either have an aneurysm or keep a protective distance!

Their soft touch and constant attention to mittens while neglecting to report President Obama’s points and activities was so blatantly obvious to me, I couldn’t trust them anymore. Ever. I’m sure it’s no different now.

I stopped listening to them after I listened to Terry Gross interview the Swift Boaters and there was no questioning or follow up on their accusations - none.

I can’t stand the goddamn propaganda state we’re living in!!!!

In 1992 Cokie Roberts completely dismissed Bill Clinton's campaign for President, basically saying there was no way on god's green earth that he could get the nomination. She never seemed to change her mind that year.

It was that long ago I stopped believing that NPR was an actual liberal voice, and they haven't proved me wrong ever since. The problem is that compared to much of the rest of the MSM they seem liberal, and people listen to them thinking they're getting a liberal point of view, when they're not.

Kasie Hunt came to MSNBC via AP.

in order to "counter" an incredible fusillade of lies... and they found nothing, so they manufactured it

And has begun the rot from within. Blow up your television. Stop paying for the propaganda.

I watched the statements of the 2 Democratic congressional leaders on CSPAN and then turned that off and read DU (and news sites) for the next couple hours!

Sounds like you made some good choices. Thank goodness we still have a few. The propaganda is killing us.

And am selective regarding each!

Will watch CSPAN (hearings and debates) and may turn on the talking heads if something huge is going on, but otherwise, the TV is off.

Though radio is starting to be something of a disappointment lately. I'm praying for my eyes to stay healthy because reading is my greatest guilty pleasure. Silence is golden.

but I agree about the need for some "silence" at times. Just. Quiet. It allows you to actually think. No music. No blabby talking heads.

Inherited that still works. I may have to crank it up. I used to listen to VOA a fair amount but it even isn't what it used to be. When I was a teen my transistor radio was my prized possession/companion.

I cancelled my SiriusXM, the older I get the more of a tightwad I am becoming. Which really is a little senseless because I can't take it with me and it's unlikely that my one possible heir, a niece, will even be interested in it. I am amazed at and interested in the shift in perspective about "worldly goods" our youth have now.

Somebody's going to have fun with my book collection one day, I hope. Time will tell. I hope you have a good day.

Thanks for the chat.

(my portable shortwave is sitting 2 ft away from me on the table)

Again.

a complaint to the AP?

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Starve those red farm states. Let them try using soy beans or corn cobs as currency. Among themselves. Maybe they can pray their way out of what will follow.

Now if NY joined in with them and stopped financing all that too ...

And this was the first thing I saw. Absolute RAGE. The AP shat all over itself this morning for all to see.

The Dems offered him a SHIT load of cash months ago and they wanted the dreamer act. Trump SHIT on it. Now they haven't said NO to him,they've offered up $1.3B but you figure he should just have it all??

And if kidnappers take your kids hostage, you are partly responsible unless you pay them...

Fuck the AP. Excellent responses though!

and buy out or start a cable news network that is impartial. It doesn't even have to be liberal, but, well maybe yeah it does.

Can you see these cable news anchors; Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, yes Thom Hartmann, Charley Pierce, Malcolm Nance, bring back Keith Olbermann and Dylan Ratigan.

For most of my life they have not been representative of my demographic anyway. Ego heads on a stick. I'd rather watch Pee Wee's Playhouse. Not meaning to poop on your post, but I think I might be ready for a revolution. I'm just fed up, I reckon.

we have ours?

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Both sides. Always both sides

The AP appears to have contracted a potentially fatal illness. May they rest in peace, and be done with it. Amen.

now. If I didn't know so much about how horrible a person Trump is and realize we'd be feeding the beast, I imagine it really wouldn't be so hard for a non-politcal type to think "hell, put an end to the shutdown and just approve the 5 billion." Not true yet, for sure, but could come to pass.

I think that the Dems should stress the fact that border money from last year hasn't even been spent. This implies Trump doesn't even really truly care about the border. A compromise could be spend all the money first, then come to me with proof a wall will help.

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That was done a couple days ago by one of the biggest Dem promoters of them all -

Spent. Schumer said only 5% spent.

and I was hunting around for the Schumer quote and only found something cited by Faux Snooze where they said Schumer said "only 6%".

So if he did mention some figure, maybe he did say "6%", but should have said "60%".

I will look

I.e., here is the direct link to the article - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/03/does-it-matter-that-trump-has-only-spent-six-percent-wall-money/?utm_term=.5ca8a1c28632

I think the issue is (for anyone who is not drenched in the administrative/finance side of government - I've had to take far too many appropriations law courses before I retired from the feds) - you have appropriations (congress) vs allotments (departmental distribution of appropriated monies) vs commitments (sortof like "designations" to purchase something) vs obligations (monies actually set aside to be paid) vs expenditures (payments - check cut or electronic transfer made), etc.

There is one section from the WaPo article that says this -

Spent/paid out. 60% allocated toward potential contractors who have not started work yet. No link, sorry.

Nevertheless,. Even if it is 40% unallocated,. Proves he doesn't care about actual security...just a shiny thing he can call his.

I cannot believe that an established new organ like AP -- even with it's right-center bias, would make such a goddamned stupid, illogical, farcical, ugly, juvenile, did I say stupid? remark.

Seriously. The logical flaw in the statement is Trumpian, maybe Fox-worthy (sorry, Jeff). AP cannot have anyone in its hire that pathetically ignorant. Can they?

And they do deliberately propagandize for Fearless Bonespur.

Sop disappointing. So depressing.

With "liberal" journalism at this level, we are so screwed.

or dancing. It's hostage-taking.

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Just fire then entire staff

in the US Government.

Blaming the Democrats is like blaming the passer by who shut the chicken coop after the fox had eaten all of the chickens.

Where the bad guy pulls his gun and starts shooting the floor.

"Dance, Pardner!"

Still takes two, eh?

I can't.

Democrats didn't "put the blame" on the non-President Trump... he took the blame all by himself... and it is on tape that has been played over and over and over.

are still hard at work defending Trump and the GOP's assault on Congress and the taxpayers for his racist vanity wall!

Is it any wonder that democracy in America is about to go belly up when these damn "protectors of liberty" are sold out to the highest GOP/Russian bidder?

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Trump sticks a gun in the face of Congress and the American taxpayer and demands BILLIONS for his racist dream wall of ZERO effect and need and we REFUSE his INSANE demands!

And YET AGAIN, you TOTALLY overlook the insanity of that and BLAME THE DEMOCRATS!!!!

FUCK OFF you damn stealth REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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duly noted

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wall, either.

ALSO.. Nancy and Schumer got More Rating than Dumbfuck, AP.

THey need to publicly apologize. Public humiliation for the staff involved might be appropriate as well. Get on all GOP Senators now though! They need to feel the pain and burn. They are hurting people. 800000+ hostages taken by the Republican Party and their AHole in Cheat is not acceptable! Their families and their communities are also suffering. Set it off! Create media on your corner street!

Someone posted this on DU recently; seems appropriate to review when thinking of where to get your news.

And thanks for finding that and posting it here.


I have been cursorily following all the mergers and acquisitions and asset swapping since passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and am glad to see someone compiled this as the latest iteration of where the media industry stands at the moment.

Someone here on DU posted it and I just had to grab it. Should've bookmarked the thread.

Entities sharing in a $2T tax kickback may have some incentive to engage in "bothsides" instead of objectivity.

And kudos for saving that. I just saved it myself!

Here's sort of a companion to that one:

We need a good graphic for that -- other than the AP blooper, that is.

(with Fugelsang's being memed pretty regularly) that I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few of those out there.

It undermines our democracy and is disgusting!