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PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:13 AM Jan 2019

A crazy theory regarding Manafort

Manafort's lawyers screwed up big time with their failed redactions in their recent court filings. The un-redacted sections make clear that Manafort was dealing with Russians and solidifies one side of collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians. It's such a huge mistake that it's almost inconceivable that it even happened.

What if it wasn't a mistake?

Manafort's lawyers have probably want out of this case. They'll probably never get paid. They know their client is guilty. They know he's a liar. They know that he's committed crimes even while in custody. Why would they want to continue to represent him?

By making such an egregious error, could they be trying to get out of the case?

I know this is far-fetched but there is nothing in this whole Era of Trump that really makes much sense!

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A crazy theory regarding Manafort (Original Post) PJMcK Jan 2019 OP
They'd risk disbarment. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #1
Would they face sanctions for a "mistake"? (n/t) PJMcK Jan 2019 #3
You need to look at the entire docket jberryhill Jan 2019 #6
which is why they did it the way they did it jberryhill Jan 2019 #4
Thank you for your detailed explanations and clarifications PJMcK Jan 2019 #9
So they did it on purpose. Nevilledog Jan 2019 #14
That would be very hard to prove jberryhill Jan 2019 #16
Of course it would be. Nevilledog Jan 2019 #21
Or maybe just sending signals to RUMP and PUTIN??? bluestarone Jan 2019 #2
They could just move to withdraw from the case. EffieBlack Jan 2019 #5
I heard an explanation from a techie malaise Jan 2019 #7
Seems like a high profile law firm should have a technically proficient redactor marylandblue Jan 2019 #10
That's another thing I thought PJMcK Jan 2019 #11
Very interesting malaise Jan 2019 #12
I used to redact document all the time as a paralegal for a DC law firm and it is not difficult. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2019 #15
" I would also print a new pdf as a safeguard. " jberryhill Jan 2019 #17
Yep. I think right clicking the black blob would confirm nothing is there. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2019 #18
Thanks for this malaise Jan 2019 #19
If they wanted out, they would ask out and Manafort would find someone else marylandblue Jan 2019 #8
I think it could be on purpose but... Renew Deal Jan 2019 #13
The lawyers wanting off the case makes sense. Weren't all his assets seized? brush Jan 2019 #20
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. You need to look at the entire docket
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jan 2019

They filed the thing under seal, stating that they were doing so to avoid any issues that might arise with inadvertent non-redaction. The court could unseal it after review of the document. The court reviewed it, and unsealed it.

So, you see, it wasn't even Manafort's defense which unsealed it - it was the court. Now, you certainly can't blame Manafort's defense for a mistake the court made, can you?

They had "an abundance of caution".

Everyone is reading the brief and ignoring the motion filed with it:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597.469.0_2.pdf

Out of an abundance of caution, Mr. Manafort has attempted to conform his redactions to
the Office of Special Counsel’s prior redactions in its breach submission. (SeeDoc. 460 (Redacted
Submission in Support of Breach Determination)). While Mr. Manafort is uncertain whether the
redactions are necessary, he is proceeding in this manner in an effort to be consistent with the
approach taken by the Office of Special Counsel and with the Court’s prior order sealing the
unredacted version of the Office of Special Counsel’s submission.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. which is why they did it the way they did it
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:17 AM
Jan 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11643965

Intent is often difficult to prove.

In fact, when this document was filed, and it helps to read them all, Manafort's lawyers filed the entire thing under seal. They did this even though they had filed documents under seal which were redacted, because they wanted to make sure that they had not inadvertently failed to redact something which should be redacted.

After inspection of the documents, and what was redacted, the court unsealed the documents.

So, you see, it could not possibly have been done intentionally, because, after all, they went through the extra hoop of filing it under seal, and then letting the court unseal it, just to make sure they hadn't forgotten to redact anything.

You see how that works? It's a good thing they took that extra precaution, because otherwise someone might think they did it on purpose.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
9. Thank you for your detailed explanations and clarifications
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jan 2019

As I wrote, we live in such crazy times...

Nevilledog

(51,075 posts)
21. Of course it would be.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jan 2019

That's the evil brilliance of it. They have filed redacted documents before, proving that they know how to do it. This would lead the court to make the assumption that all additional redacted documents would also be prepared correctly. The court, having no reason to believe the attorneys had lost the "ability" to properly redact documents, would only give a cursory look at this filing before releasing it. Ta da!

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
5. They could just move to withdraw from the case.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jan 2019

No need to violate several ethical rules, throw their client under the bus and risk their careers in order to get off the case.

malaise

(268,915 posts)
7. I heard an explanation from a techie
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jan 2019

Redacting PDF documents is cumbersome and many lawyers who don't know the technology mess up with regularity.
Looks more like ignorance and incompetence which are characteristics associated with all parts of this kakistocracy.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. Seems like a high profile law firm should have a technically proficient redactor
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jan 2019

It's not practice of law, it's an IT job. Cheaper, faster and more effective to have a dedicated expert for it.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. That's another thing I thought
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jan 2019

However, please see jberryhill's posts above. His explanations make the most sense.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
15. I used to redact document all the time as a paralegal for a DC law firm and it is not difficult.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)

A brief is initially a Word document that is converted to PDF. Redactions are made to the PDF which has an option to permanently delete the underlying text. I would also print a new pdf as a safeguard.

Briefs are usually reviewed by several paralegals and associates before filing so I find this mistake rather suspect or it could be plain incompetence.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. " I would also print a new pdf as a safeguard. "
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

That's the key step, since it saves you from any other error.

Even if you think you have the redaction "right" in your .pdf editor (whatever it may be), taking the extra step of exporting the document again as a flat .pdf file will ensure that what looks like a black blob on your screen stays that way.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. If they wanted out, they would ask out and Manafort would find someone else
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jan 2019

Lawyers represent guilty clients all the time. Getting a high profile guilty client off or minimizing jail time is great for their careers. But stupid mistakes are deadly. Would you hire these clowns as your defense attorney?

brush

(53,764 posts)
20. The lawyers wanting off the case makes sense. Weren't all his assets seized?
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jan 2019

The lawyers are probably not getting paid, and maybe there's some loyalty to the country there—they maybe accidentally on purpose leaked smoking gun evidence of collusion.

Filing it under seal gives them plausible deniability.

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