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It's staring us all in the face.
The Emperor has no clothes.
I'm sick of waiting for something to be done in this ocean of obviousness and evidence.
Link to tweet
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If so, why?
Botany
(70,449 posts)... contact and guidance from the campaign."
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)A TrumpCo Mass Marketing server, which April-Oct 2016 which JUST HAPPENED to be talking almost exclusively with Alfa (RU) Bank and Spectrum Health, a company who's Board Chairman is ... guess who? Richard DeVos (of course the same DeVos family of which Erik Prince and Betsy are a part).
Botany
(70,449 posts).... bathing selected American voters with misinformation that was put out using facebook.
Zuckerberg claims it was just a security problem and a bad app but they were bringing in
millions from this scam.
https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/features/how-facebook-was-harnessed-to-micro-target-voters-and-promote-donald-trump
Without Facebook, we wouldnt have won. Facebook really and truly put us over the edge, said Hong. Facebook was the medium that proved most successful for this campaign.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Botany
(70,449 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)At least that's what Walker said to Maria Butina.
I wouldn't be surprised if WI was used as a testing ground to steal the recall Election for Walker.
Seeing him and Clarke go to federal prison for Treason would be a nice surprise.
Botany
(70,449 posts)And in 2016 Russ Feingold was @ 90%+ for winning back his seat in the senate.
I might be wrong but I don't think that electronic back doors and remote access
to voting machines and or central tabulators were put there not to be used.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... and each one of those states were voter suppression States led by Republican governors and secretaries of state that are in charge of voting
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Baltimike
(4,138 posts)dragonlady
(3,577 posts)There it is.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,664 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Enough already. If Mr Mueller and the entire FBI and contract prosecutors and State Prosecutors can't prove a high crime or misdemeanor by now,......the "give them time' folks need to understand, we don't have the luxury of time anymore. Lives are finite. I don't want to go to the happy hunting grounds under this cloud after ALLLL the years of the US being number one. (We still are, and always will be, but, let's not push it. Once it's gone....it's gone.)
Let's go. Been 2.5 years. All of it is for naught if whatever you're trying to protect (the U.S.A.), is a barren wasteland of people w divisive feelings towards each other, what good have they done? We need to start healing. AND, open some psychotherapy clinics to excise the gop demons. It was enough for me a year ago.
Start the end of 'them', then add on as things as they come up. Refine pleadings when needed(?), and get this started.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)bigger, and more dangerous ... than the simple manipulation of US election.
I believe there's an international conspiracy uncovered here, and it has to do with a secret Pact formed among the leaders of the major Energy producing countries (USA, Russia, UAE, KSA, for starters) to remake the Global Power structure ... and basically take over the world. At least insofar as assuring that there's no 'Entity' ... more powerful than they are.
I know it sounds a little nutty, but there's actually a lot of bits of evidence that suggest this may very well be true. I have VORACIOUSLY consumed every little bit of information about TrumpRussia that's been available, waded through countless, extremely long articles on the subject, and this is my honest conclusion. There's something MUCH bigger afoot, installing Trump was just a necessary part of a much larger conspiracy.
These Energy producers do NOT want Climate Change fears to shut down their gravy train, and they are willing to do anything to stop that from happening. Which means they need to destroy anything and everything that might have the authority, ability, and inclination ... to interfere with their operations (of which SANCTIONS are the biggest danger). And I think they've agreed amongst themselves .... to work towards this goal.
This isn't just about the US/Russia, and it isn't just about Trump. And there's ALL KINDS of criminal activity involved, esp. money-laundering and bribery, but even some murder. Mueller can't just look the other way WRT what he's uncovered.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Its not like anybody is taking their cues from the crutch guy.
We have had the FBI and State Prosecutors working on this for 2.5 years though. There HAS to be something that is seperate and apart from the meat of all of this to at least stop this fool in his tracks. The rest of it can come piecemeal. A stone needs (in my opinion) to be set down. The rest of the world-who are going to re-make trade deals/military alliances in S America etc,-need to know we aren't just slow walking this. Every day that goes by, there is more of a mess for the Ds to clean up. And that means NOT working on our agenda. Climate change, healthcare, increased wages etc. It has to start somewhere.
Mr Mueller isnt in a small hamlet somewhere working off a typewriter and ink sheets for making copies. We have the ENTIRE legal sophistication of the United States Government working on this w the FBI.
No time will ever be perfect. Seems To ME...it needs to start in earnest. What happens when erik princes lackies or some other gop roger stone-esque type commits some 'terrorist bombing' under these circumstances? Then the emergency powers he already has desensitized America to...kicks in. THEN imagine the sounds of the right wing. I hear the memes from the Iraq war...i hear them now calling us UN patriotic for investigating a "war president". Then how hard will it be to start this thing? Seems we should crack open the door w some small change stuff and let the gop blow themselves out, and then drop the whole kibosh on them. I just think time isnt our ally anymore.
I completely concur w what you say above. I just think a start is warranted. Use whatever tactics they wouldve used had this been Pres Obama...bc HAD it been Pres Obama...he'd have been removed in the first 30 days pending allll the litigation. Just my thoughts.
Hey Lebowski....do you have any Kaluha? Its weds..hump day. Rock on my friend. Thanks for the answer.
watoos
(7,142 posts)The surge was about our picking a side, we picked the Sunni side and paid them to fight the Shias. We were in Syria because we supported a Qatar gas pipeline that needed to go through Syria to make it to the EU. Assad refused to allow this pipeline, enter Putin, he was in favor of the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline which he wanted Gazprom to be the investor/operator of. The reason we wanted Assad deposed was because we wanted the Qatar pipeline that Israel and Saudi Arabia approved of. Enter Donald Trump. He got his orders from Putin to pull our troops out of Syria, he obliged, oh but wait, Bibi was really pissed when he heard about this so Trump backed off.
What's Trump to do? Obey Putin or Bibi. Which pipeline gets built?
Let's then remember that for Russia to get its gas to the EU it has to go through Ukraine, hence the war in Ukraine. Russia has the pipeline gas rights to go through Ukraine until 2020 and the dispute is in the courts. Ukraine discovered its own shale gas and weaned itself off of Russian gas. Hillary was involved in helping Ukraine develop its shale gas that is why Putin hates her. Ukraine wants to supply the EU with its excess shale gas.
So yeah, I read the book War is a Racket by Smedley Butler. Wars are fought over money.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)not just Trump and his inner circle.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Its just my opinion, but, EVERY intel agency in Europe will follow suit and maybe kick in more evidence once it's started. My point is...if you wait so long to file suit to save the country....and the country is already destroyed, what exactly is the goal of pressing suit? There's SO much stuff to get him on. Start w the emoluments if nothing else. I absolutely agree w your sentiment. I just think it's time to start. The world is changing it's opinion of America. An opinion soldiers sailors and airmen, intel officers, and the everyday taxpayer have worked to create. My idea is...get it started, and lets see how they intend to fend it off?
Guliani says..."finish the report" etc....Im saying...lets get it started. (like the song of the same name.) We all need a lift. IMHO.
watoos
(7,142 posts)peggysue2
(10,825 posts)As bad as Trumpski is, as bad as the fraudulent 2016 election has been for the country, the reach of this investigation goes way beyond our shores. From everything I've read, the criminal network that Mueller and his team--as well as the teams of our Allies--have been tracking and dissembling is massive in scope, global in nature. The Trumpster is a part of the network but not the whole. I suspect we will all be shocked at how large, how truly nasty this scheme was and how many people fell prey to the lure of money and power at any cost. If that proves to be the case, 2.5 years is record breaking time because this could easily wind up being the largest criminal investigation in anyone's history.
Mme. Defarge
(8,014 posts)Damn straight!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)lots of races at the state and local level were affected!!
watoos
(7,142 posts)and from the 5 eyes consortium. 5 eyes can track anyone, can monitor their cell phones. Snowden hacked this info and had Wikileaks dump it. Mueller knows if Cohen went to Prague. Mueller knows so much more than we can imagine. Trump is going to regret putting all of his eggs in his constant repetition on "No Collusion."
Lock them all up. There has to be Congress critters involved too.
BSdetect
(8,995 posts)We are unable to really do anything about the madman's possible extremes
Convince me that I'm wrong?
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)... it's going to be about HOW MANY dots are connected, and HOW FAR AND WIDE, in a global sense, do those dots extend.
Mueller is all about turning over all the rotten rocks!
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)...and then keep going with the broader conspiracy.