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This isn't on Trump. It's on Moscow Mitch McConnel. (Original Post) Baltimike Jan 2019 OP
certainly seems like there's enough in the senate to pass a bill without the wall. unblock Jan 2019 #1
It's a bill they've already voted on... Baltimike Jan 2019 #2
they have to revote unblock Jan 2019 #3
I know this. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #4
When in reality it's his relatives bringing it over in their ships. Raster Jan 2019 #5
Chinless Mitch says he won't bring up a bill that Trump won't sign. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #30
because he is MOSCOW MITCH MCCONNELL nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #31
and even if the Senate overrides with a 2/3 vote would the House go along? shanny Jan 2019 #9
Moscow Mitch Quemado Jan 2019 #6
you know he is waist deep in Russian money. He is a traitor. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #7
Moscow Mitch's PAC took money and Moscow Mitch delivered Quemado Jan 2019 #17
This is good. It should be its own post. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #19
of course he is bdamomma Jan 2019 #18
nah it is both shanny Jan 2019 #8
He could probably eliminate Trump if he wanted to. Kablooie Jan 2019 #10
He could also elimintae him by rendering him Veto-laden Baltimike Jan 2019 #14
On Trump, too. He could have ignored Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity and signed tblue37 Jan 2019 #11
He won't be off the hook BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #13
this Baltimike Jan 2019 #15
Turtle is the one who has the power to SCHEDULE BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #12
Perhaps they're in cahoots? GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #16
if this was a democratic president with a dem senate leader refusing to bring it JI7 Jan 2019 #20
Yep. The "liberal media" has been the CONSERVATIVE PRESS all along. NT Baltimike Jan 2019 #21
So far, 3 or 4 Republican Senators have come to their senses... kentuck Jan 2019 #22
I hope so, and think you're right. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #23
It's true that it's on Mitch NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #24
Moscow Mitch could stop this tomorrow. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #25
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #26
the gutless GOP needs to bypass Moscow Mitch Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #27
This is for sure. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #28
People with Repuke Senators need to make as much noise as they did about ACA repeal or Boofer Brett RockRaven Jan 2019 #29
K&R dweller Aug 2019 #32
damn...does it really bump up? Baltimike Aug 2019 #33

unblock

(52,126 posts)
1. certainly seems like there's enough in the senate to pass a bill without the wall.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jan 2019

but is there enough in the senate to override a veto?

obviously mcturtle is aiding and abetting donnie's ransom strategy, but it's not clear to me that it's all within donnie's control.

Baltimike

(4,138 posts)
2. It's a bill they've already voted on...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jan 2019

but Moscow Mitch wants you to think drugs are coming across the border by desperate people in caravans.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
3. they have to revote
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jan 2019

the senate voted on it in december, we have a new congress as of january 3, so the senate would have to pass it again.

the new senate is slightly more republican, and now that donnie has made more of a stink about the wall, it's not clear to me that the bill would pass the new senate at all, but even if it could, i rather doubt there are currently enough votes for an override.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
30. Chinless Mitch says he won't bring up a bill that Trump won't sign.
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:30 PM
Jan 2019

My question for him is, then why did you bring up and vote yes on the same bill a month ago?

What has changed?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
9. and even if the Senate overrides with a 2/3 vote would the House go along?
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jan 2019

the Rs left there are essentially the worst of the worst

I don't think anything happens w/o dump's signature

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
17. Moscow Mitch's PAC took money and Moscow Mitch delivered
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jan 2019

Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

It was a good investment for the oligarch:

"... Republicans obstructed the Obama administration’s attempts to warn states and the public about Russian interference in the 2016 election ... Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in particular threatened to label “any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/10/04/mitch-mcconnell-conspiracy-theorist/?utm_term=.2bdc17219266

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
18. of course he is
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jan 2019

Graham too. I hope Mueller and his team are getting those so called Americans who helped Russia during the 2016 Election to get this POS in illegally.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
8. nah it is both
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:16 PM
Jan 2019

Senate passed a spending bill that tRump said he would sign, then limpballs and coultergeist screeched about it and tRump reneged. still nothing can pass w/o a signature

Kablooie

(18,613 posts)
10. He could probably eliminate Trump if he wanted to.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

As Senate leader, if he decided Trump had to go I'm sure he could get at least 22 Republicans to join Democrats to convict Trump in an impeachment.

This jerk is the linchpin for the future of the country.

Baltimike

(4,138 posts)
14. He could also elimintae him by rendering him Veto-laden
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:34 PM
Jan 2019

and just let them vote. You know, like they complained about all during Obama? Up or down vote

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
11. On Trump, too. He could have ignored Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity and signed
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

the original CR as he initially promised (through Pence) he would.

Don't let Orange Foolius off the hook.

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
13. He won't be off the hook
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jan 2019

because the minute he vetoes these spending (appropriations) bills, assuming Turtle allows them to be voted on and they pass, then it is on HIM. Eddie Munster never allowed the original CR to come for a vote in the House before he flew off to be with Grandpa.

If Congress has enough to override, then they will need to do that. But the legislation has to get to the President first.

This thing they started doing since the teabaggers had taken over, where they invoked the "Hastert Rule" ("majority of the GOP majority" ) meaning not even allowing bills to come to the floor that they know have been "whipped" to have bipartisan support to pass but wouldn't pass with ONLY GOP votes, is just insane bullshit that had pretty much eliminated what they call "regular order". Those days are over (at least in the House).

BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
12. Turtle is the one who has the power to SCHEDULE
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jan 2019

the House appropriations bills as they are received, so they are on the Senate calendar for consideration/amendment/debate/vote.

He refuses to do it. And does so in spite of the fact that the language in these bills is almost identical (I expect except for dates) to what he already had the Senate pass just last month.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
20. if this was a democratic president with a dem senate leader refusing to bring it
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jan 2019

up for a vote the media would be all over it.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
22. So far, 3 or 4 Republican Senators have come to their senses...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jan 2019

...and agree with the majority of Americans that our government should be open.

Give them time.

More will see the light in the next few days.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
24. It's true that it's on Mitch
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jan 2019

but it's also true that it's on Trump, as he himself said to Pelosi and Schumer before he changed his mind and said it was their fault.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,271 posts)
27. the gutless GOP needs to bypass Moscow Mitch
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jan 2019

The gutless GOP could demand he step down or vote for a new leader, but that would mean they'd have to grow a spine.

Otherwise, voters will teach them another lesson in surfing a blue wave.

2020 is coming.

RockRaven

(14,916 posts)
29. People with Repuke Senators need to make as much noise as they did about ACA repeal or Boofer Brett
Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jan 2019

Every last GOP scumbag in the Senate should have their phone lines jammed with people yelling at them to re-open the government first, fight about the border wall later.

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