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Republicans SAY we have the "Greatest Healthcare System in the World"... (Original Post) ck4829 Jan 2019 OP
Well, we have the best IF you can pay for it. They believe if you can't pay, don't deserve to live. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #1
Superior technology yet toppled by microscopic pathogens... Where have we heard that before? ck4829 Jan 2019 #4
And if you are allowed access to it. A child and her father in custody, exposed to tblue37 Jan 2019 #5
We don't have anywhere NEAR the best even if you have good insurance. Ron Obvious Jan 2019 #8
Words matter. I said 'if you can pay for it'. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #10
Well, sure... Ron Obvious Jan 2019 #12
You have objective numbers to support that sentiment, yes? LanternWaste Jan 2019 #17
No but read this. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #19
Twlight zone . . . Iliyah Jan 2019 #2
Our healthcare teaching and research systems are the best. 3_Limes Jan 2019 #3
The way I see it, an asterisk invalidates the whole notion that it's the best ck4829 Jan 2019 #6
We certainly don't have the best healthcare system in the world, but Goodheart Jan 2019 #7
I think there is a disconnect here ck4829 Jan 2019 #11
who is the bdamomma Jan 2019 #9
That was my take on it gratuitous Jan 2019 #13
they have a bdamomma Jan 2019 #14
My Brother Says Health Care Should Be A Privilege Dirty Socialist Jan 2019 #15
We Have the Most Expensive Health Care System in the World but Not the Best Outcomes dlk Jan 2019 #16
It can't even handle a 26 year old diabetic. Crunchy Frog Jan 2019 #18

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
1. Well, we have the best IF you can pay for it. They believe if you can't pay, don't deserve to live.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jan 2019

I know that sounds harsh but it's how they roll. They don't care about the worth of human life. To them, worth = money.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
4. Superior technology yet toppled by microscopic pathogens... Where have we heard that before?
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jan 2019

This is what we should be saying.

tblue37

(65,218 posts)
5. And if you are allowed access to it. A child and her father in custody, exposed to
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

illness in cramped conditions, without sufficient health monitoring, whose illness is brushed off in Emergency Room triage style, isn't going to be permitted access to the best healthcare--just as the uninsured and underinsured are not.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
8. We don't have anywhere NEAR the best even if you have good insurance.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

The WHO rates it somewhere like 49th in the world, with health outcomes and life expectancy that are middling at best by developed world standards despite the enormous cost.

In part this is because of overmedication and overtreatment, ironically, but also because of the stress of having to fight your insurance company which will routinely deny treatment when you're least able to fight it.


Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
10. Words matter. I said 'if you can pay for it'.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jan 2019

I didn't say anything about insurance because I agree, even good insurance is inadequate.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
12. Well, sure...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

But then you'd have to compare it to the healthcare received by the very wealthy in other countries who can afford to do everything privately as well, and I don't know if that would tell us much.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
6. The way I see it, an asterisk invalidates the whole notion that it's the best
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

The Titanic IS an awesome ship... as long as you ignore the fact that it's underwater.

We should be running with this... if kids, even if they are sneezing, can topple our healthcare system, then maybe it's not the greatest system, right?

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
7. We certainly don't have the best healthcare system in the world, but
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

citing one incident to attack it is akin to trump using one murder to justify a wall... it doesn't make much sense, sorry.

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
11. I think there is a disconnect here
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jan 2019

On one hand, I hear we have an awesome healthcare system, in 2017, we even saw a bill called "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan".

Now I hear from people, Trump supporters, that they're afraid of immigrants because they'll supposedly bring "diseases" over into the US.

And I'm trying to say concern about "diseases" shouldn't even be an issue because we have this neat and cool healthcare system, supposedly, right?

To me, it's THIS that doesn't make much sense... We don't have a superior healthcare system if it can be defeated by toddlers producing mucus.

bdamomma

(63,798 posts)
9. who is the
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

"We" are they talking about themselves??? you know they don't give a shit about ordinary citizens who they don't feel the average American should not be entitled to healthcare which is a right.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. That was my take on it
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jan 2019

When Republicans say "we," they don't mean "We Americans" or "We the People." The "we" in this case is a very narrow subset, and if you have to ask who's in it, you aren't.

bdamomma

(63,798 posts)
14. they have a
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jan 2019

very low opinion of the American people, we all saw it during the illegal hearings of Kavanot. Repigs wanted to muzzle and not listen to the facts and true stories from victims who were abused in their lives. Two people come to mind Orin Hatch and McConnell.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
15. My Brother Says Health Care Should Be A Privilege
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jan 2019

He was SHOCKED when I told him we are 41st in life expectancy.

dlk

(11,512 posts)
16. We Have the Most Expensive Health Care System in the World but Not the Best Outcomes
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jan 2019

High profits for those at the top greatly increase U. S. health care costs.

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