He was fit to be tied. His orange face was a ghastly red. Calling Republicans "my people ".

Just wait until his people start to abandon him.

..This idea is so stupid. Trump has picked a fight on another aircraft carrier. Or adding another room in the White House. So stupid that everyone understands. And everyone does understand except Mr. Trump. This is the wrong idea to put all your marbles, and all your money, and all your integrity, and all your validity on. Or all of whatever you want to add. This is stupid beyond stupid. What else is there to say? Yes, some of his people will abandon him because it is so obviously stupid.

..Some will never abandon him. Maybe 20 to 25 percent of the population will not abandon Mr. Trump. But the rest will, because this is so obviously ..."STUPID" !!!!!!!

..And my guess he has already been told this, by his closest friends and advisors. But he "knows it all" and he will not change his mind. Too stupid to see the real truth: This ideal is TOTALLY STUPID

This is about two things, Trump not losing, and Trump delivering one tangible campaign promise to his racist base. Funny thing is that the economy appears to be doing well (even though the fundamentals are President Obama's) Trump would get credit for that. Republicans, if the economy holds out, should be okay in 2020. However, Mueller is closing in and it appears that he has a pretty solid case against the administration. Trump needs The Wall to keep his people in their bubble. If they have The Wall to cling to they maybe can ignore what will be happening around Trump soon.

It wasn't really a gamble, it was all he really had that was actually his.

Because Congressional Republicans are going to dessert him in the House as well as in the Senate. The Wall is the only thing he has to deliver to his dwindling base . He loses that, he is basically done.

He will lose the Coulter's, Limbaugh's, and Ingraham's of the world and he will be a lame duck for the next 2 years.

It will be a thing of beauty to watch.

The US Trumptanic going down by the head with its mighty BIG ASS in the air.

Even his "people" know it is not necessary. It might work for a while, but only a while. Some will always stay with him. But I do not think that all will stay with him. It really is a stupid idea to fight over this "WALL"

I agree. There are people within his base who only want to hear about White Supremacy and Christian Dominionism. They will go down with the ship.

I have said repeatedly on the forum, "the one thing that we can always count in is Republican overreach". The smart Republicans know that they represent a small group of very powerful people, and then have this larger base of people they can fool into voting on emotionally charged issues. They are the ones who have used the "coded language" and who appear reasonable. The problem is that with the shrinking actual base and the strategy of gerrymandering and voter suppression, the Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. They are stuck with politicians who supposedly reflect the extreme base of their gerrymandered districts.

They cannot pull "moderates" or purple Democrats to their side realistically so they have to play to their base. Trump is the logical end of making a coalition with extremists and now, I am not sure what they do to extricate themselves from him.

The idealistic side of me hopes that this will put the Republicans back into the same wilderness that they were in from the 30's to the 80's when they were may have won elections but never held solid power. Hopefully we can fix the damage they have done to the nation over the last 30+ years.

That said, we don't need a wall. The number of illegal immigrants in the US has been decreasing for at least 5 years. Most illegal immigrants enter the US legally in visas and then stay here. That is, more illegal immigrants are leaving the US than are entering. Per capita, illegal immigrants commit fewer felonies than citizens. The US border with Mexico is about 2,000 miles. The US borders totally, land and sea, are about 20,000 miles. Drugs do come in from Mexico. Most of them come in through legal entry ports. More come in by plane. More even by boat. Only 25% of shipments are caught and that is only what we know of. What we do not know of is how much more comes in by boat. Trump told us why he wants the wall built. He said he would be embarrassed if the wall was not built. I have heard some pretty lame reasons for doing something and that is way at the top.

knows that it will get much worse. In my opinion much more embarrassment is on the way. Much more. More than Mr. Trump can possibly imagine.