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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:02 PM Jan 2019

JFC they're cutting down the Joshua trees



https://www.axios.com/government-shutdown-national-parks-joshua-trees-98350e1b-496b-4508-a0d5-45bd4074e42b.html

Vulnerable Joshua trees in Joshua Tree National Park in California have been cut down by visitors who illegally drove into areas where vehicles are banned during the partial government shutdown. As a result, the park is closed indefinitely, its superintendent said Thursday.

Why it matters: In all previous government shutdowns that affected the Department of Interior, administrations closed the parks rather than allow access unsupervised. Joshua trees already face threats of extinction from climate change.

Emily Douce, of the National Parks Conservation Association, told Vox that now-former Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke ordered to keep the national parks open during the shutdown to avoid the same criticism from 2013's shutdown.


I used to be stationed out there. I loved those trees. They'd been there for two thousand years, some of them.

You can see them for miles away; they're the only thing above knee-high. If you come from downwind you can catch the smell for over a mile: a little bit like cedar, but softer, and green, so perfectly green in that yellow-gray basin. Well, you could at least.

They cut them down and just fucking left them there. I don't know why this is hitting me so hard but it really is; I knew these exact trees, and some MAGA dipshit decided they were in the way of his fucking four wheeler.

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JFC they're cutting down the Joshua trees (Original Post) Recursion Jan 2019 OP
Omg that's AWFUL! backtoblue Jan 2019 #1
This makes me so angry. yardwork Jan 2019 #2
This makes me sick Docreed2003 Jan 2019 #3
just rude... FirstLight Jan 2019 #4
Republicans. It is who they are. pangaia Jan 2019 #56
goddamn fuck is wrong with people... dhill926 Jan 2019 #5
Add another one to the growing list of metaphors for the Trump Admin. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2019 #6
What the hell??!! Ohiogal Jan 2019 #7
More drumpfian destruction! democratisphere Jan 2019 #8
Stiggenit ginny skinny Jan 2019 #9
This makes me ill. SMC22307 Jan 2019 #10
There will be nothing left of value within our borders by 2020. sinkingfeeling Jan 2019 #11
Deplorables doing as much harm as they can to upset liberals. highplainsdem Jan 2019 #12
Deplorables destroying our land. k8conant Jan 2019 #34
Just sheer, mean stupidity and malice. MineralMan Jan 2019 #13
It sounds like Saruman in *Lord of the Rings*... First Speaker Jan 2019 #14
The desert Southwest is such a fragile environment. Cracklin Charlie Jan 2019 #15
You know, I really find it extremely hard not to hate generic people. n/t Guilded Lilly Jan 2019 #16
It's kind of like the Taliban blowing up those ancient Buddhist statues... JHB Jan 2019 #17
I hadn't made the Bamiyan connection, thank you. Recursion Jan 2019 #18
+1 dalton99a Jan 2019 #29
Yes, that's what it's like. herding cats Jan 2019 #51
"wilding" Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #19
This is absolutely fucking appalling. Initech Jan 2019 #20
Par for the course misanthrope Jan 2019 #21
I'm all for "ecotourism" as long as most places are protected janx Jan 2019 #22
They were cut down as cheap political statements. Motherfucking MAGAts. Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #23
It is hitting you hard because you are human violetpastille Jan 2019 #24
They aren't even taking them home! LeftInTX Jan 2019 #25
Asshole deplorables MAGA! lunasun Jan 2019 #26
I am fortunate to have two Joshua trees on my property. procon Jan 2019 #27
What have they done to the earth? What have they done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #62
Because they can renate Jan 2019 #68
ooo send me some seeds next time! 912gdm Jan 2019 #69
Goddamn Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #28
Unreal. LisaM Jan 2019 #30
Red Dawn Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #31
"Wolverines!" byronius Jan 2019 #40
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #41
GD these stupid assholes. Cha Jan 2019 #32
Goddamn Trump trash dalton99a Jan 2019 #33
Pure spite. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #52
I'm sorry recursion. littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #35
When ISIS terrorists take over an area they destroy all the historic monuments in it workinclasszero Jan 2019 #36
Joshua Tree is a Special Place OMGWTF Jan 2019 #37
I don't think they live that long and are you thinking of a different plant? Kali Jan 2019 #38
Typical lifespan is 500 years Recursion Jan 2019 #50
from your description I thought maybe you meant bristlecones. Kali Jan 2019 #54
Those are awesome. But they live to be like 4000 Recursion Jan 2019 #55
yep the age and the cedar smell... Kali Jan 2019 #58
For all I know it was entirely psychological Recursion Jan 2019 #70
That is an act of pure darkness. byronius Jan 2019 #39
Deplorables going to be deplorable IronLionZion Jan 2019 #42
Eco-terrorism: terrorism that terrifies ecologists & conservationist & destroys key nature. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #43
no no silly Locrian Jan 2019 #73
The Pave-The-Earth crowd is restless. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #44
Special place in hell cp Jan 2019 #45
If only... czarjak Jan 2019 #46
Destroying for fun. I can't take it. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2019 #47
Edwards AFB, CA 1988-1992 djacq Jan 2019 #48
Noooo StarryNite Jan 2019 #49
It hurts jls4561 Jan 2019 #53
Regardless of the shutdown Texasgal Jan 2019 #57
Zinke is at fault. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #59
Cutting down the trees is symbolic/metaphoric of what Golden Raisin Jan 2019 #60
I can't even describe the rage I'm feeling over this. I had the privilege of visiting this park bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #61
Rancid souled Magats. MontanaMama Jan 2019 #63
So terrible😿 Meowmee Jan 2019 #64
Image - the MOTHERFUCKING MAGAts did this. Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #65
Asshole Trump enables idiots like this. lpbk2713 Jan 2019 #66
violation of oath of office? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #67
He can't protect the parks if he doesn't have a budget. Takket Jan 2019 #75
they should have been closed Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #76
Just vandals...bastards SoCalDem Jan 2019 #71
We can see Joshua Tree National Park from our kitchen window. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #72
"We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come... JHB Jan 2019 #74
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #77

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
4. just rude...
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:15 PM
Jan 2019

So many humans are just self absorbed creatures, with NO REGARD for anything in nature... assholes...

dhill926

(16,314 posts)
5. goddamn fuck is wrong with people...
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jan 2019

my uncle who used to work at the UN among other diplomatic posts, used to call humans, a "bad animal." He was right...

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. More drumpfian destruction!
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:21 PM
Jan 2019

While drumpf is bitching about security at the southern border, deplorable Americans are chopping down Ancient Joshua trees!

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
10. This makes me ill.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:24 PM
Jan 2019

What is it with these fucking Cletuses needing to drive in these sensitive areas? They do it on NC beaches; I mean, I cannot in a million years see the need to drive my car on a beach.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
13. Just sheer, mean stupidity and malice.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jan 2019

Deplorables! My anger at this kind of senseless destruction is unquenchable. Feh!

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
14. It sounds like Saruman in *Lord of the Rings*...
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jan 2019

...cutting down trees for pure malice. Alas, there isn't a Treebeard around to make the *&%$#&ers pay...

JHB

(37,154 posts)
17. It's kind of like the Taliban blowing up those ancient Buddhist statues...
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:44 PM
Jan 2019

An attitude of "Infidels idolize them, so getting rid of them is a positive good. And bustin' up shit is always fun."

Initech

(100,038 posts)
20. This is absolutely fucking appalling.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:50 PM
Jan 2019

Oh and to the Trump fans who might be lurking here - I don't give a flying rat's ass if I'm "owned" or "triggered" - fuck you, fuck your values, and fuck your president.

misanthrope

(7,408 posts)
21. Par for the course
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jan 2019

All it takes is a long look at human history to see precedent. When you factor in a national culture built on avarice and rapaciousness -- "As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?" -Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831 -- then things like this should be expected.

What has kept destruction at bay in the national parks for this last century hasn't been the will or work of a majority of the public, it's simply the threat of law enforcement and penalty. Once that is gone, we see America's id step from the shadows. Just like the scofflaws in Oregon that seized a protected area, were allowed to stay in place then a jury let them go without punishment.

janx

(24,128 posts)
22. I'm all for "ecotourism" as long as most places are protected
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jan 2019

from people, especially places like this.

There are so many beautiful places that should be left alone from people who treat them like personal gymnasiums or theme parks. Sentient beings and fauna grow and die in these places, and they should be left alone.

Now that park rangers aren't in our national parks to make sure things like this don't happen, moron people seem to be taking it to the hilt.

I guess I'm getting old, but people always picture themselves in wilderness areas as if they're on vacation or "conquering the wilderness" or some damn thing, and it's so much about them than the place they happen to be in. It's all about them.

Stinky The Clown

(67,761 posts)
23. They were cut down as cheap political statements. Motherfucking MAGAts.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jan 2019

Bet on it. The cutting down ofd these national treasures was done to show that we lefties and liberals can be hurt. This is the same sort of shit as the ICEers blocking Tesla charging stations, only worse. Much worse.

The cutting was political. BET ON IT.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
24. It is hitting you hard because you are human
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:17 PM
Jan 2019

with an open heart.

Who can feel love and awe in the presence of an amazing, ancient being.

It's something to grieve the planet's loss of habitat due to development, climate change, pesticides.

And now to have to grieve the loss of beautiful trees that our "social contract" agreed "Not these ones. These ones we will preserve, and hold sacred."

So we have to grieve the trees, who wanted only to provide beauty.

and grieve humans, who won't even be humans.




LeftInTX

(25,126 posts)
25. They aren't even taking them home!
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:34 PM
Jan 2019

The heads will root easily.

Joshua trees are yucccas....

They should grow back from the base. (Although they only grow at a rate of 1.5 inches per year)

Usually people who raid saguaros take them home and root them.

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. I am fortunate to have two Joshua trees on my property.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

They are fragile with shallow roots and if they develop a multi branched crown they become top heavy and can be uprooted by our fierce desert winds. After nearly 50 years their growth is impercep, but one continues to blossom and regularly bear seed pods that I let germinate around the base. I have 10-12 heathly new little Joshua trees from 6" to 18" high.

I can't understand why people destroy something that could be hundreds of years old.


 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
62. What have they done to the earth? What have they done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jan 2019

and ripped and bit her, stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and dragged her down.

They got the guns but we got the numbers....gonna win yeah we're taking over.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
31. Red Dawn
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jan 2019

Let it turn. Let that anger and hatred turn. Let's turn and face these fuckers. It's way past time.
There's going to be a showdown. Get yourselves ready.
We've accommodated the enemy for too long. They KNOW dt is compromised and they don't care bc they're senseless. Either they get on the train or stay at the station, but, this country is moving forward. STAMP OUT THE GOP.



STAMP....THEM....OUT.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
41. +1
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:09 PM
Jan 2019

The longer we avoid this, the longer this national nightmare is going to go on. Turn and face them down...today, tonight, tomorrow and beyond. Support our Congress and let's take back what the russians and unjustified anger (theirs) has cost us the last three years.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
36. When ISIS terrorists take over an area they destroy all the historic monuments in it
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jan 2019

When Trump cult terrorists take over a national park, they do the exact same thing.

OMGWTF

(3,941 posts)
37. Joshua Tree is a Special Place
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jan 2019

Those trees only grow in the Mohave Desert; and I also heard the MAGAts are spray painting graffiti on the ancient unique boulder formations there. FUCK YOU TRUMP AND YOUR FKING ILK. Your boss, Vlad, couldn't be more proud of you and your efforts to destroy this country. You're the WORST thing that's happened to the US in my life!

Kali

(55,003 posts)
38. I don't think they live that long and are you thinking of a different plant?
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jan 2019

They also don't have much odor?

Kali

(55,003 posts)
58. yep the age and the cedar smell...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jan 2019

I'm not in the Mojave but have been around Joshua Trees a bit and never noticed an aroma (there are several other yucca species here, though same - even in bloom there isn't much scent, though bugs are crazy for them)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
47. Destroying for fun. I can't take it.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:25 PM
Jan 2019

I can’t take seeing every beautiful natural living thing heading towards extinction... I can’t take it. 💔🖤💔

djacq

(1,633 posts)
48. Edwards AFB, CA 1988-1992
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:28 PM
Jan 2019

These trees are a wonder to see and a damn shame that they can't be protected from idiots.

No to the stupid wall.

Texasgal

(17,038 posts)
57. Regardless of the shutdown
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:01 AM
Jan 2019

I am disgusted by these people! Anyone that mows over or cuts down trees in ANY park is an asshole!

I've visited plenty of natural places that are not manned and have ALWAYS packed in and packed out! The people that are taking advantage of this shutdown are not lovers of nature and the responsibility that goes along with enjoying it.

These people fucking suck!

Golden Raisin

(4,605 posts)
60. Cutting down the trees is symbolic/metaphoric of what
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jan 2019

Trump and the Complicit Republican Congress and deplorable citizens are doing to our Constitution and Country. Destroying it.

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
61. I can't even describe the rage I'm feeling over this. I had the privilege of visiting this park
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:20 AM
Jan 2019

a couple of years ago, and was just blown away by the beauty of the place. The idea of these cretins running roughshod through there...I'm so sorry that it had to come to this.

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
63. Rancid souled Magats.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jan 2019

I’m so sorry. For you. For the trees. For the planet...for all of us. Godammit.

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
66. Asshole Trump enables idiots like this.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:14 AM
Jan 2019



Trump and his extortion campaign are devastating our country in so many ways.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
67. violation of oath of office?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:29 AM
Jan 2019

Is Zinke guilty?


5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331


By failing to protect the parks -- keeping them open in spite of knowing they will be unprotected or under-protected -- it appears to me he failed to "well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office". These parks are supposed to be preserved and protected for all.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
76. they should have been closed
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jan 2019

That's the point. Without people to safeguard the parks, they should be closed. He directed that they remain open in spite of being unable to provide protection.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
71. Just vandals...bastards
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:55 AM
Jan 2019

Like unruly, wasted teenagers when Mom & Dad leave them home alone.. They just want to destroy stuff..

Instead of people who might have seen the shutdown as a way to go free to places they used to have to pay for..these freaks just want to ruin stuff and leave trash everywhere

Joshua Trees are very special indeed.. ..

72. We can see Joshua Tree National Park from our kitchen window.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:42 AM
Jan 2019

We also have some Joshua trees on our property, and I can't imagine living in the high desert without them.

The national parks need to be closed. Fuck the people who bitch about it -- they're probably the same ones who want to ride their ATVs to chase the coyotes and destroy the delicate ground cover that will take decades to recover.

Trump is committed to destroying this country in every way he can. I don't believe in an afterlife, but for him I'll make an exception so I'll know he'll burn in hell for all eternity.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
74. "We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jan 2019

...to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation."

-- Theodore Roosevelt

US President. Republican (once-upon-a-time version).

Or to modern Republicans: "Just another damn tree-hugger"

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