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TexasTowelie

(111,966 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:44 AM Jan 2019

Bernie Sanders Faces Questions About Political Future

Jan. 11, 2019, at 1:14 a.m.

BY STEVE PEOPLES, Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — Allies of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are rallying behind the embattled presidential prospect, even as they reluctantly begin to ponder a painful possibility: a 2020 presidential field without him.

The 77-year-old self-described democratic socialist is the most prominent presidential contender to face a serious setback in the nascent 2020 campaign season. He's been forced to confront a series of reports detailing allegations of sexual harassment of women by male staffers when he ran for president in 2016.

Sanders' loyalists fully expect him to launch a second campaign in the coming weeks. And his broad network of die-hard supporters is hosting hundreds of events across the nation this weekend encouraging him to run.

But the persistent allegations put Sanders in an unenviable political position in the early days of a presidential contest playing out in a #MeToo era that's offered little mercy for those associated with allegations of sexual harassment. While his Democratic competitors tour crucial states and scope out potential campaign headquarters, Sanders spent Thursday apologizing for the behavior of a handful of his 2016 staffers and looking for a new ones to run his 2020 operation should he enter the race.

Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-01-11/bernie-sanders-faces-questions-about-political-future

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Bernie Sanders Faces Questions About Political Future (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jan 2019 OP
And, was "too busy" to know. Cha Jan 2019 #1
+1 fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #2
He was not too busy to fly to Rome. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #18
The "micromanger". Cha Jan 2019 #28
All his staffers said he's a micromanager. Hortensis Jan 2019 #46
I've seen the tweets.. they're so Cha Jan 2019 #47
:) Me too, and I've read post-election articles Hortensis Jan 2019 #49
+1000 jrthin Jan 2019 #26
Thank You, jrthin! Cha Jan 2019 #32
He showed grossly poor leadership. Blue_true Jan 2019 #37
Excellent points, Blue_true.. Thank You! Cha Jan 2019 #43
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2019 #3
A handful of his 2016 staffers? Control-Z Jan 2019 #4
Oh, I thinks he wants to run, and likely will. herding cats Jan 2019 #5
Those cheering crowds college students are very hard to give up, I imagine. ehrnst Jan 2019 #9
I think the cheering college students NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #14
Well, Beto needs to be sure to always book a hall very near a campus. ehrnst Jan 2019 #15
Plus Beto is smart, compassionate, and courageous. Cha Jan 2019 #33
And a member of the Democratic Party GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #41
Or Senator Warren, did you see the age range in her Iowa crowds? Blue_true Jan 2019 #38
K&R betsuni Jan 2019 #6
It's surprising to hear the reactions of some of BS's prominent supporters. lapucelle Jan 2019 #7
Universal health care is in the Democratic platform. I wish those people at OR would read it. ehrnst Jan 2019 #10
That's sad kcr Jan 2019 #13
The HR person on the 2016 campaign is savaging the staffers that blew the whistle. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #16
... Cha Jan 2019 #24
It's not so surprising NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #54
Now that he's starting to be truly vetted, things look different. ehrnst Jan 2019 #8
About time. Cha Jan 2019 #22
Imagine if...oops, cant go there Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #30
Exactly! Not that the NYT or any others have reformed. Hortensis Jan 2019 #48
He's done. nt LexVegas Jan 2019 #11
The kid gloves are off! I think that he's in for quite a surprise... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #25
I hope you are right. jrthin Jan 2019 #27
Not just "a handful of his former staffers." yardwork Jan 2019 #12
I think the smart decision would be for him to, if possible, just serve out his term and retire. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #17
He was definitely too busy Apollyonus Jan 2019 #19
Welvome to DU.. disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #20
ty kindly Apollyonus Jan 2019 #21
And fit in well! GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #42
This is a scandal that is not going to go away. Actually it's a two-pronged scandal: George II Jan 2019 #23
Then we will need a new leader for universal healthcare, protecting the environment, etc. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #31
Since both of those were in our last platform. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #44
+1, Yes, this is not going away. What's so absolutely outrageous R B Garr Jan 2019 #34
He's going to be seriously vetted this time NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #29
Exactly. People shouldn't miss Liza Treyger on Ari Melber's show R B Garr Jan 2019 #35
Oh wow.. Good to know! Cha Jan 2019 #45
Glad you liked it, Cha! It's easy to Google and I R B Garr Jan 2019 #55
A nice person sent me Cha Jan 2019 #58
The look on Melber's face during Liza's rant comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #52
Yes, it was priceless! I liked how he nodded his head when R B Garr Jan 2019 #56
How many will refuse to vote if he isn't on the ballot? ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #36
We can plan for that. Blue_true Jan 2019 #39
Remember all the blaming and ill will toward HRC after the primaries? ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #40
+1000 ehrnst Jan 2019 #50
There's less of a chance of that if he doen't run. Once he's in, you're right. /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #53
OFFS TexasT -- this again? KPN Jan 2019 #51
I already know that Sanders is going to run. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #57
Yes! Mahalo, TexasT! Cha Jan 2019 #59

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. All his staffers said he's a micromanager.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:21 AM
Jan 2019

The decision maker.

My biggest question is why anyone who believes in government by the people would consider for a moment a candidate who's proven himself to be as ready as the right to overset the votes of many millions of Democrats in order to win.

Imo, we all have a duty to remember that before deciding if he's the right stuff.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. :) Me too, and I've read post-election articles
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jan 2019

that were far less complimentary. No one likes their abilities to be undervalued, and some finally took the chance to vent. No sympathy from me, though, knowing at least some of what they supported and enabled.

Speaking of, they're NOT leaking what they know about their former coworker, Tad Devine, and his activities in the campaign.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. He showed grossly poor leadership.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:15 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)

He claimed fairness and opportunity for women were two of his core campaign principles. I have never worked in a successful company where core principles were not driven into everyone's skull and people told that violations of those principles must be brought before the top leader in the company.

Cha

(296,873 posts)
43. Excellent points, Blue_true.. Thank You!
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jan 2019
I claimed fairness and opportunity for women were two of his core campaign principles. I have never worked in a successful company where core principles were not driven into everyone's skull and people told that violations of those principles must be brought before the top leader in the company.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
5. Oh, I thinks he wants to run, and likely will.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:34 AM
Jan 2019

He's an elderly senator with little to nothing to lose personally. This is his last chance and he has a following.

I've been there and done that with 3 different presidential candidates now in my adult life. The only one I gave a second chance to was Edwards... we all know how that turned out. I still suffer acid reflux when I think of it.

I know a lot about two of our potential candidates this cycle. To the extent I've spoken to them one on one. I'm learning more daily about our other potential and declared candidates. I'm taking it slow and fleshing out and vetting my candidates for 2020. I'm going to be an extremely hard sell.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. Those cheering crowds college students are very hard to give up, I imagine.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:12 AM - Edit history (2)

But Ralph Nader got over it, and he had a long career still ahead of him.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. I think the cheering college students
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jan 2019

are going to go for Beto O'Rourke this time around. Yes, O'Rourke is more moderate than Bernie, but he has the "cool" factor to him - punk rocker, skateboarder, etc.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. Well, Beto needs to be sure to always book a hall very near a campus.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jan 2019

That ensures a young, enegetic, higher income, loud crowd with a flexible schedule for an audience.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. Or Senator Warren, did you see the age range in her Iowa crowds?
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jan 2019

Lots of young people, as many as any other group.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
7. It's surprising to hear the reactions of some of BS's prominent supporters.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:44 AM
Jan 2019
"If he doesn't run, there's a massive void in this country," said RoseAnn DeMoro, an activist and former executive director of the National Nurses United union, who reiterated her support for Sanders. "The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn't go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect."

snip=========================================================

"Obviously, it's impacted all of us quite a bit. It's very upsetting," said Heather Gautney, executive director of Our Revolution, the political arm of Sanders' network.

Despite her concern, Gautney warned Democrats that a 2020 contest without Sanders would inflict serious damage on ambitious plans to shake up health care, education, housing and other liberal priorities.

"Bernie is holding the flank on the left. If he doesn't run for president, then the whole horizon shifts, and universal health care maybe gets taken off the table," Gautney said. "In my view, he is an absolutely necessary part of our political system."




By the way, Ms Gautney needs to brush up on the Democratic Party platform and history. Univeral healthcare has been core principle and party policy goal since 1992. John Conyers's Medicare for All Bill HR 676, introduced in every session of Congress since 2003. had 132 co-sponsors at last count. While Congressman Sanders wasn't an original co-sponsor when it was first introduced 16 years ago, he did get on board quickly.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. Universal health care is in the Democratic platform. I wish those people at OR would read it.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:27 AM
Jan 2019

It won't blind them...

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
54. It's not so surprising
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jan 2019

if we keep in mind that they are a cult. Like all cultists, they literally think their hero is the savior of the world, and nobody else can do it.

That base evaporates. It doesn't go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect."
--RoseAnn DeMoro
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. Now that he's starting to be truly vetted, things look different.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jan 2019

Not the case last time around.

Being held to the same standards as other candidates is a new test.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Exactly! Not that the NYT or any others have reformed.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:33 AM
Jan 2019

Sanders is no longer "new," though. So others who are new will get the pop media glossing and pumping up, and Sanders will get more of the negative "been there, covered that" treatment.

My concern is that much may still be ignored to keep him useful for defeating Democrats. That was his role for both our own right-wing powers and for Putin before, and they're still using him that way.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. The kid gloves are off! I think that he's in for quite a surprise...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jan 2019

The kid gloves are off! I think that he's in for quite a surprise at how different things will be this time, and how much more difficult it will be when the real and extreme vetting begins. All I'm saying is that I believe that ALL candidates for national office should be carefully scrutinized from all angles... for many obvious reasons that I don't have time to go into now.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
12. Not just "a handful of his former staffers."
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jan 2019

Bernie apologized for sexual assault committed by of one of his most important staffers, the man who led Bernie's field campaigns in key states. Bernie also claimed that he only just learned of a monetary settlement his campaign made to two staffers who were apparently abused by this same campaign leader.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
19. He was definitely too busy
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jan 2019

to copy his tax returns and hand them to the media.

I mean ... give the guy a break!

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. This is a scandal that is not going to go away. Actually it's a two-pronged scandal:
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jan 2019

1. Sexual harassment and abuse.
2. Blatant income inequality.

Either of them alone would be enough to destroy a Democrat's candidacy. But two?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
31. Then we will need a new leader for universal healthcare, protecting the environment, etc.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019

Beto works for me, or Kamala.


Not that the other person was a leader in this, but some saw him that way so we will need a new leader.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
44. Since both of those were in our last platform.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jan 2019

I think many will do. Universal healthcare does not mean Medicare for all.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
34. +1, Yes, this is not going away. What's so absolutely outrageous
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:32 PM
Jan 2019

is how our nominee was maligned in so many ways and with no proof while all this was going on.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
29. He's going to be seriously vetted this time
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jan 2019

As he should have been last time. I just hope the Democratic Party doesn't let him pull the same stunt as in 2016: become a temporary pretend Democrat to get media attention and of course Party resources. It's not fair to real Democrats, and it looks like we have a nice, deep bench for 2020 if they choose to run.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
35. Exactly. People shouldn't miss Liza Treyger on Ari Melber's show
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jan 2019

on the FallBackFriday segment. She completely nails Bernie. She was scathing about the unequal pay and campaign abuse. He will be seriously vetted!

Cha

(296,873 posts)
45. Oh wow.. Good to know!
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:15 AM
Jan 2019
People shouldn't miss Liza Treyger on Ari Melber's show on the FallBackFriday segment. She completely nails Bernie. She was scathing about the unequal pay and campaign abuse. He will be seriously vetted!

Thank You for that, RB!

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
55. Glad you liked it, Cha! It's easy to Google and I
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:07 PM
Jan 2019

didn’t want to link.....

But she was excellent. People won’t tolerate the lack of accountability anymore.

Good to see you, Cha!

Cha

(296,873 posts)
58. A nice person sent me
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jan 2019

the youtube in a PM from seeing this exchange.

I just saw it! omg.. Fantastic! She hit it out of the park!

Good to see you, too.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
36. How many will refuse to vote if he isn't on the ballot?
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:11 AM
Jan 2019

Or write his name in? 2016 all over again. It never ends with zealots.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. We can plan for that.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:21 AM
Jan 2019

Remember around 40% of voters did not vote, even if it was only 20% and the other 20% wrote in Bernie, if we get 20% of that 20%, our candidate wins, my guess is our candidate gets 100% of the ones that vote, lots of them are getting their ass burned by Trump.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
40. Remember all the blaming and ill will toward HRC after the primaries?
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:27 AM
Jan 2019

All because the Bernie Bros felt cheated? And Bernie tried to rally his base to support HRC, but they weren't having it. Just the simple fact of him throwing his hat into the ring is dangerous as hell. Suppose this time around he gets rejected right off the bat. His base will be furious. Suppose he isn't rejected right away but gets primaried. His base will be furious. The only way I can see keeping his base somewhat mollified is for him not to run at all. I'm sorry, but if he wanted to truly support the Democratic party, he would not run again.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
51. OFFS TexasT -- this again?
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jan 2019

Bernie’s gonna run. Get over it. Will he win? I doubt it especially with the organized torpedoing going on daily.

But he’s going to run.



TexasTowelie

(111,966 posts)
57. I already know that Sanders is going to run.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jan 2019

That was evident to me since the general election in 2016 so I don't have anything to "get over." It's an article from the AP, so if I hadn't posted the thread then someone else would. I don't believe in censorship.

If anything, Bernie now has a set of obstacles that he will need to "get over." I still haven't seen anything from Bernie that will attract new voters while his base has diminished based upon responses at DU and on other social media.

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