That's why whenever whatever happens, Pence needs to go with Trump...

And others , not trump. putin also compromised numerous republicans in Congress. They'll all be exposed soon. Just a matter of time before everyone knows who's working for putin.

In congress that are comprised, as to them being exposed, I have my doubts.

The rightwingers he didn't pick directly, compromised themselves when they took the dirty Russian money from the NRA. So that's just about every GOP member in Congress, am I right?

Pence gave 45 a governor as a running mate. Pence's political career was basically in the toilet. He was a failed governor who tried to enact an extreme new Christian social agenda and was then backed into a corner by the state's biggest corporation and told to stop. Which he quickly did.

Pence gave 45 cover for his less than Sunday School demeanor. But given how inept Pence has proven himself to be, I can't imagine he was in with Putin. I think it is more likely Pence is willing to do whatever. I think any other VP with integrity would have either resigned by now or completely distanced themselves from 45.

I think Putin has great influence on 45. I think what Putin is most interested in is having sanctions removed, US getting out of his business in Eastern Europe and clearing out of the Middle East.

n/t

should be investigated. I wonder what Ronan Farrow is working on.

I suspect Putin probably got his $ hooks in Bro Pence during major bankruptcy. Similar circumstances to Trump.

I think maybe the Russians have something on either Pence or his brother, or else they just picked him as the best option to secure the evangelical vote while being no threat as far as actually assuming power himself. A steady, dignified looking foil to fuckface's antics. A solid choice, really...which is why it must have been Putin's. I seem to recall stories about fuckface himself looking bemused and saying something like "does it really have to be that guy?"; so VP Pence was clearly placed there at Manafort/Putin's direction. It's going to make it very difficult to deal with if/when fuckface resigns, dies, or is deposed before his term is up...who the fuck knows what else is in the plans if that happens?

You really do have to hand it to the Russians...This was a long-term operation (and ongoing, of course), with so many bases covered--right on down to disabling DU on election day, to prevent real-time reporting of weird things that didn't seem right--really pretty impressive. Who ever thought the end of America would come like this? Well, aside from the makers of Idiocracy I guess...but the complexity of the espionage and dirty tricks involved here are just amazing.

I don't know how much fuckface himself became personally involved (aside from handshakes and fake smiles, and agreeing to what-the-hell-ever as long as he can feel like a big, smart, rich and powerful man. In a way, I see him as a victim in all this--all his own doing, obviously, but it's not as if he's the mastermind here.

But yeah, it had to have been a coordinated effort...the GOP have been fixing elections wherever they can for decades; they had the inside access, and the Russians had the skills and the plan.

... many years when they realized that he could be a useful idiot and that he was very easily
manipulated and would be easy to blackmail too. Trump is not smart enough to do all this
"stuff*" on his own but we had people like McConnell, Ryan, Parscale, Kelly Anne Conway,
Manafort, Cohen, Eric Prince, Roger Stone, the Mercers, Bannon, the Koch Brothers, Scalis,
Kris Kobach and Pence who were and still are so craven with power & money that they were
down with this program from the get go.


* This "thing" is so big I really can't get my head around "it."

It was an easy buy, allegance for Putin to make. There's never been any ideological daylight between Putin and the GOP politicians... front/hate groups incl NRA,criminal mercenaries, the sado Christian/white supremacy evangelical industry, billionaire propaganda pillars like Koch's & Mercers and all these other Putin money funnels. It's all about, and always has been for Putin and the vast GOP money infrastructure, an agenda aimed at usurping democracy for Putin style oligarchy, totalitarianism.

Definitely they were "all down with this program from the get go."

Get thee to the greatest page for those who have forgotten this important fact

...Manafort was campaign manager at the time where candidates typically choose their running mate.

So declaring that Putin picked Pence without any further evidence is a bit of a logical stretch. I think people are looking far more into that one little fact that they should.

... was a pretty logical pick. He brought the evangelical vote, he was a prototypical “yes” man, and he didn’t have any descernable charisma to overshadow or upstage the asshole.

Manafort was instrumental in picking him, and there apparently are some ties between Pence/Pence family and Russia. But I don’t think there is any solid evidence that Putin favored Pence specifically. I might agree that Putin may have not wanted Christie on the ticket as I don’t think Christie was compromised by Russians (he was compromised by good old fashion American political corruption), and as a past prosecutor he might have been inclined to sound alarms over some of the Campaign’s most egregious actions.

Now this is not to say that Pence was not all in on the arrangement. I think he was. But I think that’s more a result of his lack of morals, dignity and spine. Not necessarily because he was a Russian plant.

THE whitest white guy I, for one, have ever seen.

I think trump took one look at him and it was all visceral. “THIS guy! After that Kenyan dude in the White House, THIS is the image WE want!”

Which would be great, don't get me wrong.

But the idea is ridiculously far fetched that somehow we're going to see Trump and Pence simultaneously impeached and then jointly tried in the Senate and jointly removed from office, and that suddenly makes Nancy Pelosi president.

Love it.

It ain't gonna happen, though.

Trump is up to his eyeballs in the Trussia scandal.

Pence...well, he has his feet wet, but that's about it. He appears to have at the very least been cagey about his knowledge (or lack thereof) of Flynn's lobbying activities, and he has his brother who apparently has done some business with Russia, but there's nothing concrete that connects him to the nucleus of the scandal.

And even if those facts are enough to force a Pence resignation (and sadly, I'm doubtful on that), Trump would just nominate some other generic Republican who is palatable enough for confirmation and who would take over if Trump is removed from office or resigns (or suffers a KFC related event).

Even under the joint-impeachment fantasy, Trump and Pence would both be tried by a Senate that is still majority Republican. If the Mueller report is damning enough (which I think it will be) they might be willing to dispense with the unruly lunatic that is Trump due to the long-term damage that he might cause the party, but they're never going to entirely cede the White House to the Democrats.

It's not that big a deal because Pence is still tainted goods by virtue of having been Trump's Vice President and that would hinder his chances if he were to run in 2020.

... Prez Pelosi is a great fantasy, but a classic pipe dream. It would never happen in real life.

it is Trump and Pence that pay for that, not just Trump. Pence is a sniveling little sneak. Trump may be the Dr. Frankenstein but Pence is definitely Igor.

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in service to the evil empire* of russia.


* per ronald freaking reagan (R)

It's absolutely great (& so true)

Same with Flynn. Biggest tell of all

Him playing dumb is an act. A bad one. It's why there's a chance there will be a president Pelosi before it's all over.

Like a baby that has just shat its diaper, or like he's having an orgasm in his pants.

What a soap opera!

motherfu*ker.

limbaugh wouldn't support mccain until minutes after mccain announced his choice for palin

the GOP convention was starting days later, and would have been a disaster if mccain had chosen lieberman or pawlenty and limbaugh had not signed on

of climate scientists emails

were russians using soc media and trolling liberal blogs in 2010 to suppress the vote - they would piggyback talk radio memes rather than making them up

why would american billionaires want limbaugh to spend 2 months selling debt default to the teabags in 2011?

right after benghazi 2012 when they were throwing a lot of crap vs hillary and obama talk radio gods were blaming them for not allowing US embassy marines to carry live ammo - thereby encouraging terrorist attacks

trump team studied talk radio in 2014, according to sam nunberg in an interview with gabriel sherman (new york mag 4/3/2016) - to coordinate with the russians?

he pumps trump up with confidence on every anti-American, pro-Russian decision trump makes

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To me Pence goes with pRezident dRumpf along with others associated this dip stick.

They all need to go. And never return. Including their whole guidelines of gop leadership and governing(?). Do they even do that?

Or was it that Manafort reminded DT the importance of doing what Russia wanted if he wanted any business dealings in Russia?

.... and how he can be manipulated that Manafort getting Trump to pick Pence was easy. Again I
might be wrong but I think that Trump is so scatter brained and that along with some pumping up
his ego he is much like training a dog, the last input in is the one he goes with.

n/t

Reason being is that the Russian oligarchs and mafia types used Trump properties to launder their money and get it out of Russia. A Moscow project doesn't do them any good and they were just stringing dumb ass Donny along. (My guess)

One con fools a stupider con. Just a little delicious, if true that Putin played him. I like the concept, botany. You make a good argument.

meet with the Special Council but they refused to meet.

Thanks for posting this, Botany.

that Trump was surrounded by Russian agents and much else. Information is power, and the Koch alliance alone has probably close to 1000 right-wing centimillionaires and billionaires, believed in 2015 to be more powerful in right-wing politics than the Republican Party.

The Kochs certainly knew that Pence was THEIR man and were waiting for an appropriate time to decide whether they would run him for president.

They also knew that hired hands like Manafort don't choose American presidents, or their very likely successors.

What I'd love to know is did they through Pence (and ?) involve themselves indirectly or directly with Russia's subversive activities in America? And are they too powerful to take on? So far they're far too powerful for the MSM to take on.

How and why did McConnell know to block Merrick Garland?

his craving for power would account for his subversive, destructive strategy, but what did he know when he decided to go for it? He also, of course, has always known many secrets, some of which may never come out.

how many other republican governors the Russians control.

And that's the most minor effect he's having on reality, which he doesn't seem to be in touch with.