That's best for everyone concerned. He should just finish his term and retire. I'm sure that his current wife, Jane, would approve of that decision as well.

She would probably breath a sigh of relief. It might also take eyes off of the family payouts. Numerous reasons it's in a lot of peoples best interests.

Bernie’s staff is alleging pervasive behavior, not just one guy he knew. We could see it manifest in the abuse of Clinton, so it stands to reason that it was internalized in his campaign.

It’s What about Bernie now, no more What about Hillary. No more double standards where only female politicians are responsible for their staff but Bernie gets a pass.

If Sanders is guilty of something or failed to hold himself to his own standards than he should be held accountable.
I actually said as much already.
That article is from a legitimate source and is exactly a year old with details to a story that did not come to light until after the rise of the #metoo movement.

when you consider that this was all happening in 2016 while we were watching the most vile treatment of our female candidate by someone who set himself apart as s moral authority. Smh.

Could not agree more. If Sanders did something unethical or immoral or illegal he should be held accountable to the standards he set for himself and others as well as the law. I suggest you read that article before you brush it off. We should hold all our politicians to the same standards of conduct.

I'm already tired of whataboutism.

Or is the number simply irrelevant, and it's merely your go-to bumper-sticker counter?

'cause saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make the equivalency any less false to a rational mind...

Hillary set up a method of dealing with these potential situations involving sexual harassment at the start of 2007. It called for her to take direct responsibility for handling these situations if they were to arise.

When HRC found out about a much less severe situation, she immediately took action. The staffer hadn't forcibly kissed her, or asked her for sex, or pressured her. He didn't have the official power to hire or fire her. But he did place his hands on her shoulders and he did send her some suggestive, if not explicit, emails.

Hillary took action. She listened to the staffer. She believed her. She transferred her to a different position, one where she thrived and built her future career from. The offender was suspended for 5 weeks, demoted, had his salary cut and was ordered to go for sexual harassment counseling. Given the details of the story, it has to be said that HRC exceeded the standards of 2017.

Of course, that didn't stop the media from claiming that she "shielded" the offender, or that she "overrode" her campaign manager--as if the campaign manager, rather than the candidate is supposed to be the final authority. Can you imagine how people would have reacted if the campaign manager made the decision and Hillary said that she simply trusted her judgement and her right to make the call? People would have excoriated her for not taking personal responsibility for making the decision, or thinking it was important enough to get involved and be the one who made the call.

reading the TPM article. The post is misleading and a false presentation of the article. Take a look.

A small number of people that worked for his campaign did.
To be clear, as I’ve stated many times, I do not want Sanders to run for President in 2020. It’s up to his respective constituents with regard to Senate. I also don’t want Biden or Clinton. I want new names and fresh perspectives. I do want Clinton, Sanders and Biden involved in Democratic politics for years and years to come.

I do not want Sanders getting railroaded about actions he did not do nor had any knowledge about at the time.
The man has been a strong Democratic ally for decades. He has caucused with Democrats his entire political career and been the champion of the marginalized since his first political speech.
Has he had missteps and misstatements along the way? Sure. Most political figures do.

It would be a mistake to turn this story into their own “pizzeria of child slaves in the basement of a place that has no basement” story.

If it turns out that Sanders knew about it and covered it up or knew about it and ignored it, that is one thing but it’s hardly logical to blame him personally for the actions of a small group of people in a otherwise large national campaign.
Do you have as much concern about the story of Clinton covering for a staffer accused of sexually harassing subordinates?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.amp.html

but love the whattabout Clinton defense.



Sid

It’s to see if all those making innuendos and backhanded remarks hold everyone to the same standards.

Sorry to be that person Sid but the hate for Sanders by some here is very well documented. Sanders has been accused of everything from misogyny to being anti-Semitic (despite him being Jewish). There were literally an OP with links to neo-nazi sites about Sanders during the primaries.

To be clear, again, I do not want him to run for President ever again and I happily campaigned and voted for Clinton in 2016.

My point was everyone makes mistakes and we need to get off this stuff and move on from 2016 and focus on the very real problem in from of us.

I think Hillary should have fired his ass.


But she did not turn a blind eye and pretend it wasn’t happening

"It’s to see if all those making innuendos and backhanded remarks hold everyone to the same standards. .."

I think that's merely an excuse you're using.

You simply appear either unable or unwilling to judge this on its own merits without evoking "what about...?"

I’ve been a rather fair arbitrator over the years.
I’ve been more than unequivocal in this OP and elsewhere, if Sanders did anything wrong he should be held accountable.

That said, conversations like this typically are meant to mud sling on Sanders and stir up 2016 primary resentment. People have no problems posting these type of articles but would rain death on anyone if they were to actually post the article I referenced about new revelations about the 2008 Clinton campaign. The issues with both campaigns are similar in nature. One is fair game and one is not.

That said, I’m tired of endless Sanders/Clinton debates. We need to focus on actual problems in front of us right now with trump et al.

Whatever issues there are with Sanders or whoever else should play out how they play out. We have far more important issues to deal with.

We should focus on trump and the republicans in the Senate.
Stop finding ways to get digs in on each other. I’m not participating in these endless and pointless conversations anymore. We are only hurting ourselves in the long run.

what their team does, no matter what they do they are good with it.

it’s not surprising that the same characteristics were also internalized in his own campaign. It was very evident what the ethos of the campaign was and one reporter even called some of them Bros in order to highlight the deep chauvinistic tendencies. All the articles about that look to be very accurate, and something we could see for ourselves.

There was a $30,000 payout over an abuse allegation—how laughable that you compare actual events with a “pizzeria” story. No more of these false equivalencies.

If you present yourself as a moral solution or superior, then everything said about this being a deterrent for him are accurate. Everything so far says he was aware of these events.

If he was aware and did nothing than that is different.
You yourself make it sound like he likely did know and that had to have acted on it because they paid her a settlement. Hopefully they held the man in question accountable as well.

My points were very clear.

So this story that came out about Clinton holding onto a faith advisor after complaints of sexual harassment in 2008. Do you maintain the same standards?

brush off the trouble that Sanders finds himself in by clinging to something something about Clinton. There is a letter about Sanders campaign from female staffers, it’s not about one guy he knew. We could see the behavior manifest in the abuse of Clinton.

I never brushed it off. I’ve repeatedly stated if he did wrong he should be held accountable.

The point is that if we are going to hold political figures to standards than it should be the same standards.

That’s not a standard at all. It’s an excuse to say that he is exempt from the same standards.

I don’t know how more clear I could be:

If Sanders did something wrong he should be held accountable.

Not sure how much more clear I can make that. I’ve said it at least a half dozen times already.

That said, we should hold all our politicians, regardless of their last name or political party, to the same standards.

Not sure what is controversial about that...

from those same standards, but it doesn’t sound like it applies to you.

I do not want Sanders, (and we voted for him in the michigan primary in 2016) I do not want
Warren, I do not want Biden-although he would be my favorite if I had to pick. I do not want someone older than me and I'm 67. NO to Kristen Gillebrand (I will never forgive her for Al Franken) even though she is not old.

There are plenty of other democrats out there to choose from.

"If he doesn't run, there's a massive void in this country... The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn't go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to Trump, I suspect."

What kind of "void" is in their brains?

Demagogues to the right of me, demagogues to the left of me, into the valley of sheer idiocy rode my country.

Her statements are beyond appalling, especially given the wreckage we are living through.

...and you ask what I find appalling about that? Actually, her threat that a lot of other Sanders supporters as well as herself will switch their allegiance to the Mad King -- because of the massive gaping "void" Sanders' non-candidacy would leave. Doesn't that make you wonder if the void is in their brains?

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch.

Please proceed, JCanete. Please proceed.

I posted an article below from when she predicted Trump would bring us single payer.

Hang on I will get you a link and quote.

Here you go:


Head of nurses union 'counting on' Trump for single-payer system
By CARLA MARINUCCI 01/05/2017 10:04 PM EST

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

<snip>

OAKLAND — As Washington grapples with health care policy again, the head of the 185,000-member National Nurses United is turning her attention to a seemingly unlikely advocate for a single-payer system. "The one I’m counting on the most is Trump,” RoseAnn DeMoro said,

DeMoro, who serves as executive director of both the Oakland-based National Nurses United and the California Nurses Association, told POLITICO California on Thursday that she is “disgusted” with Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and believes that the president-elect may actually get action.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’ said DeMoro, who also is an AFL-CIO national vice president and executive board member. “I think that Donald Trump is not about either party; he’s about something very different. He’s the one who can actually rise above this and do what’s right, and he knows as a businessman, it’s the most cost effective,’’ she said.

And, she noted, Trump already has signaled to GOP party leaders that he’s willing to buck them on issues like ethics and the TransPacific Partnership.

<much more at link>

-she is disgusted with Democrats...
-Trump is the one she is counting on...
-Melania comes from a country with single payer...LOL, what an inane comment. WTF!

I’ve read comments in the comments sections of various California state publications for awhile now, and they were very cynical about her. Now I see why they were cautious, This is great find. She needs to apologize for her comments about Trump considering what a lunatic he is—and shouldn’t be taken seriously until she does so.

I'm amazed at the responses -- let's pretend she didn't really say what she said.

(self- serving). She's got a pretty good rap sheet against her. And two, do you really think people who supported Bernie Sanders in 2016 largely because of what he genuinely promotes (Medicare for All, free college education, a fair playing field economically, etc.) are going to vote for the Con-Man in 2020? Ain't gonna happen -- false or at least illogical hysteria.

Geesh.

out why they need the Democratic platform so much when Trump is such a viable option. Makes no sense, but.....

Since Democratic and Republican values and ideas are diametrically opposite. Guess it's not about income inequality either. Or Wall Street. Or free college, etc.*

*For those who claim to be progressive but would, as the Sanders supporter says, turn to Trump.

I don’t get the need to deny what has already been written. It’s right there in your post.

and need to do better on, but also, that the framing of the article(the title) is intended to use an issue that is unfortunately more ubiquitous than we've known and to target Sanders specifically with it even though he isn't personally named as a harasser. It isn't taking the temperature of the voter, it is trying to put that voter's head in the microwave.

about him. It’s about him and his campaign.

talking about the issue because it happens to have been in Sander's campaign? It is manufacturing a public response before that response has even registered. They could at least be honest about it. They could say they believe that Sanders should be done after the allegation. But really, the title is supposed to make other people think that this is already the zeitgeist of the moment.

it’s very straightforward.

The article is actually quite fair to all. The poster just conveniently left out some salient pieces:

candidacy by Sanders for the 2020 nomination. There's no question this kind of deliberate attempt puts his candidacy on shaky ground given what we've seen in the past, e.g., Franken's railroading.

My biggest concern is this could all backfire in a way that could become more harmful to the party. Sander's could actually decide to run as an I. It's not inconceivable, and not inconceivable that he might actually be able to make a successful run at and against the Con-man. But is that a risk that our party really wants to take? I think with enough expression of support from his followers/base should the railroading actually succeed, Sanders could possibly choose to do that.

it that way? It is literally adding fuel to the fire you say it is attempting to address.

Not to mention the first line is about him being embattled. That already suggests that he's been struggling. It isn't suggesting that he's had unprecedented success creating the base he's created. Its already trying to put the nails in the coffin.

actually a Sanders supporter. Though I will say, at this point, I'm not committed to anyone. I think we actually have a potentially attractive field of candidates to individually choose between over the next year and a half. I'm open to that. My choice will be based on who I think genuinely represents my interests and priorities and has the best shot at winning in 2020.

one liberal website that I consider to be fairly objective re: all things Democrat.

I know one of the sanders supporters who was named in the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

In stark contrast to this OP, the TPM article presented a fairly objective summation (fair to detractors AND fair to Sanders) of the situation. Noticeably, the excerpts in the OP ignore what Sanders' has said in response to the allegations (which he clearly does not discount or deny) about sexual harassment within his campaign in 2015/16. Oh, and there is also this from the TPM article which not surprisingly was excluded from the OP:

Why? Oh yeah, "he's not a D", and then there's the counter-productive butt-hurt/blame about 2016 (as if that's gonna change things going forward).

But I don’t think he has any business running in 2020, for the same reason I say Clinton and other members of the old guard shouldn’t run.

I never donated money to a politician before, but I gave several hundred to Bernie Sanders during the 2016 cycle.

As a party, there is a sea of great younger candidates out there. We need to develop them so that we will have many decades worth of strong candidates to pull from for all levels of leadership.

And then you see a headline like this and it’s back to square one.

Back to square one my ass.

I refuse to watch people play this bullshit when we all know that the only way to win a presidential election is with money. If you are trying to imply that Harris is in wall street's pocket, that's absolutely absurd.

After all the squawking about Hillary's wall street speeches, a certain candidate and his supporters are going to have to come up with a better line of attack this time.

Those who signed the letter are pro-Sanders.

Democrats. If the wheels fall off with the least bit of vetting, then oh well.

who says BS is out by August

Todd had to say about BS.. and too bad it was CT because it rang true about how he should have known what was going on.

Ari had a female comedian on Friday for FallBack and she said BS needed to fall back, what with the sex allegations and the unequal pay he was/is done.

her vague threat of not supporting a Democrat is just more BS. Only 70,000 voters in this country made the difference, and that was after three opposition opponents savaged Hillary.

Sanders did not deal with this issue adequately. CNN thinks that sanders will be hurt by his answer to this issue https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/bernie-sanders-sexism-2020/index.html?utm_content=2019-01-06T13%3A22%3A02&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social

On Wednesday night, Sanders was asked by Anderson Cooper whether he was aware, during the 2016 campaign, of the allegations -- recently published by The New York Times -- of sexism and sexual harassment within his operation.

"I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case," said Sanders.

That is not a good answer. At all. Ever. And especially not amid the ongoing impact of the #MeToo movement on the culture and political world.

(Worth noting: He did apologize "to any woman who felt that she was not treated appropriately," and added: "If I run, we will do better next time.&quot