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DetlefK

(16,423 posts) Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:42 AM Jan 2019

Here's how I would talk Trump into ending the shutdown without the wall:

Move the goalposts.

Start a media-campaign where people blame the ongoing shutdown on Trump's lack of negotiation-skills.

Reframe the issue.

Once Trump thinks that ending the shutdown will be a win for him (because he showed off that he's good at negotiating) and a loss for Democrats (who attack him for being a bad negotiator), he will end it, wall or no wall.

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Here's how I would talk Trump into ending the shutdown without the wall: (Original Post) DetlefK Jan 2019 OP

This makes no sense at all. What do you mean? centrarchus Jan 2019 #1

Trump doesn't want to win. He wants the Democrats to lose. DetlefK Jan 2019 #3

I'd appeal to his vanity meow2u3 Jan 2019 #2

Its going to take the combined will of this f'ed up country to end it. nt BootinUp Jan 2019 #4

centrarchus

(62 posts)

1. This makes no sense at all. What do you mean?

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

Jan 2019

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

3. Trump doesn't want to win. He wants the Democrats to lose.

Reply to centrarchus (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

Jan 2019

If he wanted a win, he would seriously negotiate for the wall-funding and do more than his ridiculous posturing and pandering.

He doesn't want a win: He wants the Democrats to lose. He wants to humiliate the Democrats by making them give him the wall.

My proposal is to manipulate Trump into adopting new win-loss-conditions: Reframe the issue as a loss for the Democrats being that he proves to be a good negotiator.

If Trump believes that he can somehow humiliate the Democrats by ending the shutdown, he will do so.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)

2. I'd appeal to his vanity

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:49 AM

Jan 2019

I'd say the shutdown makes him not only look bad, but also like a criminal.

BootinUp

(47,085 posts)

4. Its going to take the combined will of this f'ed up country to end it. nt

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:53 AM

Jan 2019

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