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I'm hearing people in the media say that DT declaring an emergency may be a way out of the shutdown, since it will throw the matter to the courts. WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA!
If this goes to the Supreme Court, they will either ratify his actions, which makes his overreach legal -- which would be horrendous -- OR they declare his act unconstitutional, in which case, he will do it anyway. If that happens, the court would be shown to be completely toothless in regard to reigning in the chief executive. Remember whose portrait he likes to be photographed in front of -- Andrew Jackson, who removed the Cherokee in spite of the Supreme Court's ruling against it.
Sending this to the courts opens the judicial branch to the same corrosion DT has brought to executive and the legislative branches. The book title "Everything DT touches dies" is very appropriate. To say that "everything that touches DT dies" is equally true.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Republicans have made quite a mess of things, haven't they?
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)It's as though the Republican Legislators' will has been subsumed -- a chip implanted in the brain, mark of the beast, munching on one too many lead paint chips, or something. It's truly scary.
Cary
(11,746 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Trump outsmarted you.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)They had a bill with an number everybody but DT could live with. Pass it. If it's vetoed, override it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Pence had the deal all lined up and Trump backed out. He doesn't want a deal, and we can't make him take one. Honestly even if we just gave him the $5B he would probably find a way to still not take it.
He wants his mouth-breathers terrified about the fact that there is not a wall.
Girard442
(6,059 posts)...is there any doubt which they'll choose?
(Not original with me, but I can't recall who said it first.)
Zoonart
(11,749 posts)WTF? Why are they encouraging rolling the dice with a Supreme Court ruling that could go the other way and give DT dictatorial power and effectively negate the roll of congress?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,038 posts)It's all about money.
Zoonart
(11,749 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)He is the problem here, siding with and carrying water for Trump like the good little lackey that he is.
There were measures already passed in the Senate that the House has likewise passed in the new Congress. Call for votes in the Senate, pass the damn bills and then dare Shit Gibbon to veto them. When he does, exercise the power of the Legislative Branch, override his veto and tell him to sit down and shut up already.
Christ, my 11-year old daughter and her friends could figure this out faster and with less acrimony...
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Afaik.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)People in Republican Senators' districts will be feeling the shutdown. People will start getting in their faces. Democrats need to be there and build an off ramp for the moment they start to crack.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Also, not likely to happen until it gets really really ugly.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)honest.abe
(8,556 posts)I have more faith in SCOTUS that they will do the right thing. I suspect Roberts will be the swing vote.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)honest.abe
(8,556 posts)And then at that point Senate Republicans will be compelled to agree.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)The Republicans, unless their constituents rise up, will side with DT over the court, I'm afraid. They've got to wake up. Let's hope it happens soon.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)and they will say enough is enough, and I think that will happen if he ignores a SCOTUS ruling. After all they have Pence waiting in the wings. They dont really lose any power. There will be some hardcore Trumpers that will be pissed but I think the Senate Repubs will have a good case to argue for taking the lunatic out.
But who knows for sure, we are in uncharted territory here. Trump is a clearly a madman capable of anything.
ananda
(28,783 posts)He's completely ignoring Congress because
none of the Reeps will stop him!
ScratchCat
(1,957 posts)to build a wall unless Congress allows it. "Emergency Powers" doesn't change that. The media wont tell you this because it ends this whole charade that they are happy to play along with for ratings. SCOTUS would probably rule 9-0 against him anyway. This isn't even a grey area - the purse strings belong to Congress.
Freelancer
(2,107 posts)The Presidents have been declaring war without declaring war for ages now. It allows them vast latitude, at least for a while. If DT wants to do this, I'm afraid there are angles along which he can make it happen.