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Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:48 AM Jan 2019

DT claiming emergency powers isn't a way out for anybody

I'm hearing people in the media say that DT declaring an emergency may be a way out of the shutdown, since it will throw the matter to the courts. WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA!

If this goes to the Supreme Court, they will either ratify his actions, which makes his overreach legal -- which would be horrendous -- OR they declare his act unconstitutional, in which case, he will do it anyway. If that happens, the court would be shown to be completely toothless in regard to reigning in the chief executive. Remember whose portrait he likes to be photographed in front of -- Andrew Jackson, who removed the Cherokee in spite of the Supreme Court's ruling against it.

Sending this to the courts opens the judicial branch to the same corrosion DT has brought to executive and the legislative branches. The book title "Everything DT touches dies" is very appropriate. To say that "everything that touches DT dies" is equally true.

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DT claiming emergency powers isn't a way out for anybody (Original Post) Freelancer Jan 2019 OP
And ultimately this must be resolved politically Cary Jan 2019 #1
It's amazing -- with sci-fi aspects almost Freelancer Jan 2019 #8
They're plain old every day cowards Cary Jan 2019 #24
So, you want a deal, right? PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #2
I want the Senate to override this obstruction Freelancer Jan 2019 #5
There's no deal to be had. He turned down $25B in exchange for DACA last year Recursion Jan 2019 #7
If Republicans have to choose between giving up power and giving up on democracy... Girard442 Jan 2019 #3
The MSM is egging him on to do this... Zoonart Jan 2019 #4
oligarchs and oligarchy Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #10
So true...ugh. Zoonart Jan 2019 #11
It is time to decide how to remove McConnell from office. Moostache Jan 2019 #6
Exactly! -nt Freelancer Jan 2019 #9
How?? There is no mechanism available to Dems to remove McConnell. honest.abe Jan 2019 #12
Repub Senators can move or remove him Freelancer Jan 2019 #14
Right, but we as Democrats certainly have no control over that process. honest.abe Jan 2019 #17
Sadly true. -nt Freelancer Jan 2019 #20
I think its the only way short term. honest.abe Jan 2019 #13
And what if he balks? Do they send marshals to the White House gates? I don't think so. -nt Freelancer Jan 2019 #15
If he refuses to abide by SCOTUS rulings then impeachment is clearly in order. honest.abe Jan 2019 #19
At that point, his base will be declaring him Generalissimo and sewing gold braid eppilets on him Freelancer Jan 2019 #22
I dont trust any Republican but there will be a point when Trump crosses the line... honest.abe Jan 2019 #23
It's dictatorial rule by the executive branch. ananda Jan 2019 #16
Donald Trump can't use one dollar ScratchCat Jan 2019 #18
What if he declared Mexico's tolerance of refugees in transit a hostile act -- makes this military? Freelancer Jan 2019 #21

Cary

(11,746 posts)
1. And ultimately this must be resolved politically
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jan 2019

Republicans have made quite a mess of things, haven't they?

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
8. It's amazing -- with sci-fi aspects almost
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jan 2019

It's as though the Republican Legislators' will has been subsumed -- a chip implanted in the brain, mark of the beast, munching on one too many lead paint chips, or something. It's truly scary.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
5. I want the Senate to override this obstruction
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jan 2019

They had a bill with an number everybody but DT could live with. Pass it. If it's vetoed, override it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. There's no deal to be had. He turned down $25B in exchange for DACA last year
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

Pence had the deal all lined up and Trump backed out. He doesn't want a deal, and we can't make him take one. Honestly even if we just gave him the $5B he would probably find a way to still not take it.

He wants his mouth-breathers terrified about the fact that there is not a wall.

Girard442

(6,059 posts)
3. If Republicans have to choose between giving up power and giving up on democracy...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jan 2019

...is there any doubt which they'll choose?

(Not original with me, but I can't recall who said it first.)

Zoonart

(11,749 posts)
4. The MSM is egging him on to do this...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jan 2019

WTF? Why are they encouraging rolling the dice with a Supreme Court ruling that could go the other way and give DT dictatorial power and effectively negate the roll of congress?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
6. It is time to decide how to remove McConnell from office.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jan 2019

He is the problem here, siding with and carrying water for Trump like the good little lackey that he is.

There were measures already passed in the Senate that the House has likewise passed in the new Congress. Call for votes in the Senate, pass the damn bills and then dare Shit Gibbon to veto them. When he does, exercise the power of the Legislative Branch, override his veto and tell him to sit down and shut up already.

Christ, my 11-year old daughter and her friends could figure this out faster and with less acrimony...

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
14. Repub Senators can move or remove him
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:24 PM
Jan 2019

People in Republican Senators' districts will be feeling the shutdown. People will start getting in their faces. Democrats need to be there and build an off ramp for the moment they start to crack.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
17. Right, but we as Democrats certainly have no control over that process.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jan 2019

Also, not likely to happen until it gets really really ugly.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
13. I think its the only way short term.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jan 2019

I have more faith in SCOTUS that they will do the right thing. I suspect Roberts will be the swing vote.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
19. If he refuses to abide by SCOTUS rulings then impeachment is clearly in order.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jan 2019

And then at that point Senate Republicans will be compelled to agree.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
22. At that point, his base will be declaring him Generalissimo and sewing gold braid eppilets on him
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jan 2019

The Republicans, unless their constituents rise up, will side with DT over the court, I'm afraid. They've got to wake up. Let's hope it happens soon.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
23. I dont trust any Republican but there will be a point when Trump crosses the line...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jan 2019

and they will say enough is enough, and I think that will happen if he ignores a SCOTUS ruling. After all they have Pence waiting in the wings. They dont really lose any power. There will be some hardcore Trumpers that will be pissed but I think the Senate Repubs will have a good case to argue for taking the lunatic out.

But who knows for sure, we are in uncharted territory here. Trump is a clearly a madman capable of anything.

ananda

(28,783 posts)
16. It's dictatorial rule by the executive branch.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jan 2019

He's completely ignoring Congress because
none of the Reeps will stop him!

ScratchCat

(1,957 posts)
18. Donald Trump can't use one dollar
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jan 2019

to build a wall unless Congress allows it. "Emergency Powers" doesn't change that. The media wont tell you this because it ends this whole charade that they are happy to play along with for ratings. SCOTUS would probably rule 9-0 against him anyway. This isn't even a grey area - the purse strings belong to Congress.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
21. What if he declared Mexico's tolerance of refugees in transit a hostile act -- makes this military?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jan 2019

The Presidents have been declaring war without declaring war for ages now. It allows them vast latitude, at least for a while. If DT wants to do this, I'm afraid there are angles along which he can make it happen.

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