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babylonsister

(171,032 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:25 PM Jan 2019

Nancy Pelosi Sets A Shutdown Trap For Mitch McConnell

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01/11/pelosi-mcconnell-shutdown.html

Posted on Fri, Jan 11th, 2019 by Jason Easley
Nancy Pelosi Sets A Shutdown Trap For Mitch McConnell


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is setting Mitch McConnell up to own the shutdown by passing a bill to fund the FAA.

Speaker Pelosi tweeted:



Pelosi is masterfully squeezing McConnell and Trump to reopen the government

Speaker Pelosi is forcing Mitch McConnell to say no to reopening the government over and over again. Pelosi is sending the message to the rest of the country that Trump and his party are keeping the government closed. Democrats are trying to reopen the government, but Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump won’t say yes.

There can be no mistaking who is to blame for the continuation of the shutdown. Mitch McConnell could put real pressure on the White House if he passed any of the funding bills that the House has sent to the Senate. The problem is that Trump believes that he will lose leverage if he opens the government without wall money, so he is refusing to open a single agency.

With each vote to reopen a part of the government, Nancy Pelosi is using her House majority to increase the pressure on McConnell. Republicans don’t support this shutdown or the wall.

They are looking for a way out. Speaker Pelosi keeps opening the door and telling them to come on in.
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Nancy Pelosi Sets A Shutdown Trap For Mitch McConnell (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2019 OP
Mitch says what Trump tells him to. "No vote" Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #1
Not that simple. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #10
I dunno.... is McTurtle 'wily', or just a stubborn asshole? groundloop Jan 2019 #31
he baited Reid into ending the Filibuster for the Federal Judiciary maxsolomon Jan 2019 #32
I think you are right. raging moderate Jan 2019 #47
He's So Smart He Allowed HImself To Collude On The Russian Scandal Me. Jan 2019 #51
We'll see. I have little faith that consequences will follow that maneuver. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #55
The Cons Are Being Blamed 2/1 Me. Jan 2019 #56
Working fine so far. The RWNM is holding the line among America's Flibberdigibbets maxsolomon Jan 2019 #57
They Just Lost The House Me. Jan 2019 #58
America's Flibberdigibbets are the Low-Info Voters maxsolomon Jan 2019 #59
WE'll See Me. Jan 2019 #60
FWIW, my vote goes to stubborn asshole. joshdawg Jan 2019 #45
Terrified,stubburn AH. True Blue American Jan 2019 #49
And Vlad the Poisoner tells Traitor Tot what to do OMGWTF Jan 2019 #22
Would you like ketchup with that, sir? erronis Jan 2019 #23
To me, he's Pol Potbelly chwaliszewski Jan 2019 #28
For the Repukes, there is no out without lookin' mighty dumb donkeypoofed Jan 2019 #2
There is a way out. Hold a vote. Lonestarblue Jan 2019 #13
It's a little late to worry about "lookin' dumb". That ship has sailed. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2019 #14
No loss, since they looked mighty dumb before all this. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #24
I learned a lot about Madame Speaker from cilla4progress Jan 2019 #3
Agree; we desperately need experienced leadership right now. Nancy is perfect for this Amaryllis Jan 2019 #40
Right on, Madame Speaker! Ohiogal Jan 2019 #4
This will be interesting PJMcK Jan 2019 #5
This is about a LOT MORE than air travel. pangaia Jan 2019 #35
Of course it is PJMcK Jan 2019 #38
Thanks fo0r the link. The results will be felt even much farther and wider than ATC, pangaia Jan 2019 #39
Republicans do have a way out Andy823 Jan 2019 #6
wall -- dictatorship or democracy Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #7
" Deny him the wall and we continue to be a nation of law. " pangaia Jan 2019 #36
Mitch is following Putin's orders. nt KPN Jan 2019 #8
No, he's not. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #12
No question about that. At the same time, supporting Trump because he's in it up to his ears KPN Jan 2019 #50
I'm still trying to figure what MontanaMama Jan 2019 #9
The South shall rise again. LiberalArkie Jan 2019 #16
I was thinking it was more likely MontanaMama Jan 2019 #17
It's all about Trump's ego YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #11
McConartist is thinking of his 2020 election. Probably Lindseed as well. Hassler Jan 2019 #15
They won't have a chance to get re elected bdamomma Jan 2019 #19
she is the master, grasshopper Kurt V. Jan 2019 #18
Air traffic controllers aren't mission critical and don't get paid gratuitous Jan 2019 #20
Experience we can trust! NANCY PELOSI ROCKS!!! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #21
Trump is backing away from the Emergency True Blue American Jan 2019 #25
I wonder where all those naysayers are today Baltimike Jan 2019 #26
Just curious tiptonic Jan 2019 #27
If Trump were half the negotiater he claims to be you'd think he'd go with what both ... marble falls Jan 2019 #29
Watch and learn, young ones in Congress. This will be talked about in history books. ehrnst Jan 2019 #30
I'm hoping you are correct and she can commandeer the narrative ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #33
"Pelosi is masterfully squeezing McConnell and Trump to reopen the government .." pangaia Jan 2019 #34
Trump and McConnell will give in when big business tell them to. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #37
THIS BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #42
Thank you for the good link... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #43
The Turtle ran home to Kentucky instead of funding the FAA. He's not worth spitting on. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #41
Maybe TSA and air traffic control greymattermom Jan 2019 #48
This is so wrong. Who would blame them for anything they do. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #54
Mitch is a tool. Or an idiot. Thinks Congress works for the president. Beartracks Jan 2019 #44
A lot of the press is not reporting on the house votes just "both sides don't care" crap mucifer Jan 2019 #46
If airports shutdown, the GOP will fold. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #52
After Merrick Garland customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #53
I guess McConnell wasn't too worried about the trap Takket Jan 2019 #61

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
10. Not that simple.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

The Turtle is wily. He has an end game or he wouldn't be playing the fool.

He's probably told Trump he has a month to play with, and then this poorly-written play will close.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
32. he baited Reid into ending the Filibuster for the Federal Judiciary
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jan 2019

because he obstructed them for the majority of Obama's terms.

now he's filled those positions with RWNJs and we weren't able to do a thing about it.

he blocked Garland and denied Obama a SCOTUS pick, and we weren't able to do a thing about it.

he's been there since 1984 - 6 terms - 35 years, going on 36. he's been drinking our milkshake since assuming GOP leadership in 2006, whether he's majority or minority leader. so, yeah... he's wily.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
47. I think you are right.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jan 2019

Mitch McConnell had to know the fix was in on this 2016 election, or he would not have blocked the Supreme Court nomination of the very moderate Merrick Garland. The blocking of Obama's other judicial appointments was also very suspicious. And now he is refusing to allow a vote on a measure that would reopen the federal government, when a number of Republicans are said to be ready to give it a veto-proof majority. He had to know about some massive hidden support system insuring that he could violate the US Constitution in these ways, with impunity.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. He's So Smart He Allowed HImself To Collude On The Russian Scandal
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jan 2019

by using political blackmail to restrain PBO from revealing what was then known about Individual 1's attachment to Putin. That it may come back to bite him big time is eveidence that he isn't so smart.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
55. We'll see. I have little faith that consequences will follow that maneuver.
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019

That aside, there's little doubt he's controlling this shutdown, and it's entirely to weaken House Dems at the outset of this Congress.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
57. Working fine so far. The RWNM is holding the line among America's Flibberdigibbets
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jan 2019

The GOP apparently believes that the General Public will forget about this shutdown by November 2020.

It's a good bet.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
58. They Just Lost The House
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jan 2019

and now they endanger the lives of Americans to protect him. I don't think anyone is going to forget anything, especially as he is never going to change and his egregious behavior will be there to remind them every day until the next election. His base is not large enough and he's done nothing to grow it, in fact, it is shrinking.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
59. America's Flibberdigibbets are the Low-Info Voters
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jan 2019

the ones that barely know there's a shutdown. the "Independents" who think "both parties are the same".

they exist. they vote. they won't remember. after all, there's going to be an Impeachment between now and then.

the GOP has made this bet before and it paid off. the nation awarded their obstruction and intransigence with complete control of the Federal government in 2016.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
60. WE'll See
Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jan 2019

But as with so much the last 2 years, the cw no longer applies. And those low-info people are the ones being impacted, also, by loss of income. Money talks.

erronis

(15,181 posts)
23. Would you like ketchup with that, sir?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jan 2019

Love the "traitor tot".

And I would be very hesitant to spread any sauces on my tots, if I were the pResident.

Wonder how many minions have already been offed by polonium. You have to have a death wish if you work for that party.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
2. For the Repukes, there is no out without lookin' mighty dumb
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jan 2019

Like holdin' up a mirror, that rather homogenous bunch sure will be regretting all this.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
13. There is a way out. Hold a vote.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jan 2019

Mitch can strongarm enough senators in his party to pass a veto-proof bill. Some of Trump’s more rabid base might complain, but most people, including Republicans, would think that the Senate was finally doing their job and acting like the adults in the room. The shutdown is not popular and gets less so every day.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
3. I learned a lot about Madame Speaker from
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jan 2019

Joy Reid's special last week.

She is one tough customer! She has thought through all her steps and is very strategic.

I have total confidence!

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
5. This will be interesting
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jan 2019

Imagine that McConnell finally feels enough pressure to allow a Senate vote on the House-passed bill. Either the GOP stand in opposition and the bill dies or enough Republicans vote for the bill.

In the first instance, the Republicans will own the shutdown even more than they already do. Americans will increasingly turn away from the party of "No." In the second instance, the bill would face a potential veto by Trump. In that case, it's hard to see how both Houses won't override the veto. The nation's air travel is in jeopardy.

Well played, Madame Speaker. Keep it up! You have my support.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. This is about a LOT MORE than air travel.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jan 2019

Think of the ripples spreading out if therer is little or no air travel?

Total chaos in America.
And THAT is what thgis is about.

Financial, structural and political destruction....

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
38. Of course it is
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jan 2019

The thing is simply this: Members of Congress don't go to National Parks or worry about the EPA.

But they all have to fly. This could be the way that they learn first-hand how their behavior in Congress affects people's lives.

Regarding the breadth of problems caused by the Trump Shutdown, let me call your attention to this post by an air traffic controller who outlines the secondary and tertiary effects of the shutdown:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11657776

This story is but one example of how Trump has damaged many facets of one agency he won't fund.

Keep in mind that many other organizations will have the same trickle-outwards effects. Think of the results for the EPA, IRS, NPS and many others.

With respect to your theory that Trump's plan is the total destruction of our country and society, we'll have to wait and see.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
39. Thanks fo0r the link. The results will be felt even much farther and wider than ATC,
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jan 2019

pilots, etc, as I am sure you know.

As for my trump theory, I would say it is 'putin's plan, and it is working to a T,, even faster than I thgoughtm and I am the eternal pessimist,,,


BTW, I love listening to some live atc VIDEOS,, boston john AND THE HLARIOUS GUY AT jfk.. bOTH RETIORED i BELIEVE,,

Those guys are brilliant, pure artistic genius

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
6. Republicans do have a way out
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jan 2019

They have to do what is right for the country, not what trump wants. All they have to do is take a vote, and override any veto trump may impose. The vast majority of Americans want this shutdown to end, no matter what trump says.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,250 posts)
7. wall -- dictatorship or democracy
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jan 2019

Speaker Pelosi understands the stakes. Give Donald the wall and he has a dictatorship. He already has the cult of personality and has done wholesale damage to our government. If he gets the wall then he can fulfill that, "I alone can fix it" boast. Deny him the wall and we continue to be a nation of law.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. " Deny him the wall and we continue to be a nation of law. "
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jan 2019

If air travel is shut down..
total chaos..

No wall he will declare a national emeregency. At that point he is a dictator.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
12. No, he's not.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jan 2019

He plays the long game, and he's smart.

It is never as simple as we want it to be.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
50. No question about that. At the same time, supporting Trump because he's in it up to his ears
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

is his onlyhope for a personal long game. In other words, keeping Putin happy. There is no difference.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
11. It's all about Trump's ego
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

Last week he told Schumer that if he allowed the government to be reopened without his wall, he would look foolish.

We’re looking at a situation where the funding billing will likely be approved by the House and Senate and then vetoed.

At that point, the Republicans may say enough is enough and override.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
19. They won't have a chance to get re elected
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jan 2019

if they keep Government People away from their jobs. McConnell's Local and DC office phones should be ringing continuously.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. Air traffic controllers aren't mission critical and don't get paid
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

But the part of government that issues $0.00 pay stubs is mission critical and working just fine. Heckuva job, Republicans!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. Experience we can trust! NANCY PELOSI ROCKS!!!
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

Amazing to think about how some wanted to choose someone else to be Speaker. So much hand-wringing about wanting "new blood" or "someone younger" ... basically they wanted change for the sake of change. What a short-sighted mistake that would have been! Especially NOW.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
25. Trump is backing away from the Emergency
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jan 2019

He is saying he can do it but it would have to go to the Courts.
He agreed to back pay for the workers this afternoon. Little by little Trump is losing, so is McConnell.

Democrats really went after him today. Then he whined he could not understand why the Senate was closed.

That dog don’t hunt!

Baltimike

(4,137 posts)
26. I wonder where all those naysayers are today
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jan 2019

the ones who said she couldn't do it...that she had to agree to bizarre parameters...all to help the other side, and not her/us.

marble falls

(57,010 posts)
29. If Trump were half the negotiater he claims to be you'd think he'd go with what both ...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:16 PM
Jan 2019

sides want and ignore the one they can't: the wall. He'd be able to go back to his constituency and say. "I'm still fighting for this and then after he shuts up about it, let it die after about six months. By then his legal problems will bury the wall. His followers will be barking about his impending impeachment and then we adults can finally talk about border security in context of making citizenship reasonably possible and for temporary visas for temporary or seasonal workers.

Pelosi has the right idea. She's almost handing a life jackets to at the few Republicans who want to distance themselves from cheeto. Who has something on Mitch McConnell that he's acting against his own interests??

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. Watch and learn, young ones in Congress. This will be talked about in history books.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:55 PM
Jan 2019

You can say you were there when she cut off the GOP's head, and they didn't even know they were bleeding.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
33. I'm hoping you are correct and she can commandeer the narrative
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jan 2019

to hang around Cocaine Mitch and Rump's necks. Because, so far, what I've been seeing is that most people still believe there isn't enough "negotiation" happening.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
34. "Pelosi is masterfully squeezing McConnell and Trump to reopen the government .."
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jan 2019

With all due respect for Nancy, I do not think these treasonous bastards can be sqyeezedd by out side.
UNLESS-- somebody gets something on them WORSE than the russiand haVE.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
37. Trump and McConnell will give in when big business tell them to.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:36 PM
Jan 2019

This fiasco is starting to hurt business travel and bottom lines, so many phone calls will be made. Their calls will be heard and acted on while ours go in the dust bin........

McConnell has never listened to his constituents, but only his big business donors and a few people in his Repug bubble at home.

Speaker Pelosi is doing her part well in applying maximum legislative pressure and keeping appropriate issues in the press.

Thank you, Madam Speaker!........

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
43. Thank you for the good link...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jan 2019

(snip)

Bradley noted that small businesses were unable to receive assistance from the Small Business Administration, while companies are “delayed in their ability to raise additional capital or complete the process of going public” because of the partial shutdown.

He added that travelers are facing delays and the processing of imports “is hindered, and tariff exclusion requests are unprocessed. Safety inspectors are sidelined, mortgage approvals are delayed, and research is halted.”

It's always a BFD when the Chamber bucks any Republican or their policies!.......

I love Republican circular firing squads.........

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. The Turtle ran home to Kentucky instead of funding the FAA. He's not worth spitting on.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:17 PM
Jan 2019

That is downright shameful, that he's a Senator.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
54. This is so wrong. Who would blame them for anything they do.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:10 PM
Jan 2019

They can't strike, though. Reagan fixed that.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
44. Mitch is a tool. Or an idiot. Thinks Congress works for the president.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:51 AM
Jan 2019

Funny thing: the president thinks so, too.

==============

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
53. After Merrick Garland
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jan 2019

it is obvious that McConnell is completely shameless. And besides, he knows he can win Kentucky next year if he just stays out of Trump's way.

Trump already took all of the GOP blame onto himself. McConnell's sitting pretty right now. He knows Trump will be gone someday, and that if he keeps on doing what he's doing, he'll be the survivor.

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