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'Baby's not breathing, baby is blue!': 911 call from birth at Hacienda Healthcare released
On Dec. 29, a woman in a vegetative state gave birth at the facility located near 14th Street and Baseline Road.
Author: 12 News
Published: 9:24 AM MST January 11, 2019
Updated: 10:46 AM MST January 11, 2019
The 911 call from the birth at a Hacienda Healthcare facility in Phoenix was released Friday.
On Dec. 29, a woman in a vegetative state gave birth at the facility located near 14th Street and Baseline Road.
In the call audio, the female caller, identified as a nurse from the facility, frantically spoke with the operator as help was notified.
[link:https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/babys-not-breathing-baby-is-blue-911-call-from-birth-at-hacienda-healthcare-released/75-222b5ade-3bc1-40c2-9328-e8a3eabc0730|
hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)It DID and the parents of the woman say it will be well cared for. The mother is Native American and the tribe (San Carlos Apache Tribe of AZ) have indicated they intend to advocate for the family and for justice.
panader0
(25,816 posts)hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)Records obtained from Maricopa County Superior Court state the woman has been a resident of the facility run by Hacienda HealthCare for more than 27 years nearly double the length of time that appeared in previous reports.
The patient, who has been identified as a 29-year-old Native American, has been under the care of the facility since she was between ages 2-3, according to the documents, which also state that the woman suffers from quadriplegia, recurrent pneumonia and a seizure disorder.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/woman-coma-gave-birth-had-005512482.html
canetoad
(17,136 posts)That it was a near-death drowning accident 14 years ago.
On edit:
She had been a patient at Hacienda Healthcare for more than a decade after a near-drowning left her severely brain damaged.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-coma-baby-police-dna-test-hacienda-healthcare-phoenix-arizona-a8718771.html
hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)since they are based on records obtained from Maricopa County Superior Court, I would assume they are correct.
While you were posting, I was editing to add link to what now appears to be a wrong report.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)No one noticed that this 29 year old woman had stopped menstruating?
backabby-blue
(144 posts)It's a whole lot easier to deal with hygiene issues if they would have just given her birth control to stop the cycle.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)When I was on birth control, it didn't "stop the cycle", it just either prevented ovulation or implantation of the egg. There is a kind (or kinds) that prevents menses now? First of all, that doesn't sound like it would be healthy to me. But anyway, failing that, why would they put her on any kind of birth control when there shouldn't have been any way for her to become pregnant?
backabby-blue
(144 posts)Yes, it stops the cycle. Women do it to avoid menses. The only reason to have a period is if you plan on getting pregnant. I know I use to take it on date nights.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,142 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)The baby was full term from other reports. So how could anyone caring for her not have noticed?
StarryNite
(9,435 posts)"The records show the patient received bowel treatment and care for years, and now, an inside source told us she had bowel obstruction surgery.
Valley gynecologist Dr. Greg Marchand said there's a common result from that kind of surgery.
It is a surgery that classically can cause a lot of scar tissue, Marchand said.
Several inside sources also told us over the past few months the patient had a "mass" on the side of her stomach.
Dr. Marchand said a pregnancy developing in that way is likely due to scar tissue.
It could slightly change the direction of the uterus, for example if there was scar tissue on one side or the other, the uterus may tilt more in that direction, he said.
As he continues to follow the case, he said while it's likely the pregnancy was on one side of her body due to her surgery, and may have looked like a "mass," there's no excuse for not knowing she was pregnant.
I guess it could be mistaken for an abdominal tumor instead, but any tumor work-up at the beginning is going to require some kind of imaging, and that imaging is immediately going to give you the answer, said Dr. Marchard."
[link:https://www.azfamily.com/news/investigations/hacienda_healthcare/new-clues-on-how-hacienda-staff-could-have-missed-woman/article_8bf3ab48-155f-11e9-99a6-c7ebec12a2a7.html|
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:47 PM - Edit history (1)
Once a woman is far enough along in a pregnancy, anyone can see the woman's belly rolling around and moving with the movements of the fetus inside her.
There is no way that someone bathed this woman for MONTHS and never noticed this movement. Tumors and scar tissue don't act like fetuses. They don't move. And they don't FEEL like tumors or scar tissue, either. When you push on parts of a fetus inside a mother, you can feel it move in response. Tumors and scars don't do that.
Also, in the last half of the pregnancy, there are frequent Braxton-Hicks contractions, where the whole uterus gets very hard. Those are said to be "practice" for labor contractions -- and anyone touching her could have felt the difference.
Here is a video of a 36 week fetus making its mother's belly move.
StarryNite
(9,435 posts)and it was covered up.
But here is one doctor's explanation for nobody noticing any movement from the baby...from that same article...
"The court paperwork also lists phenobarbital as a medication the patient was on most of her life to control her seizures.
Phenobarbital is a barbiturate. It is not known to cause any birth defects, but it can be very sedating for the baby, he said.
Dr. Marchand said the sedative likely led to little fetal movement while the baby was inside the womb, and it also is likely the reason the emergency call came in for a baby who was coding when he was born.
If a baby is sedated with anything, especially a barbiturate like phenobarbital, the baby could not want to do that and be very sleepy and not be able to breathe well, he said."
[link:https://www.azfamily.com/news/investigations/hacienda_healthcare/new-clues-on-how-hacienda-staff-could-have-missed-woman/article_8bf3ab48-155f-11e9-99a6-c7ebec12a2a7.html|
Also,
Hacienda Healthcare CEO resigns after woman in vegetative state gives birth at Phoenix care facility
Hacienda Healthcare is at the center of a sexual assault investigation by Phoenix police after the woman in a vegetative state for years gave birth last month.
Author: 12 News
Bill Timmons, the CEO of Hacienda Healthcare, has resigned effective immediately after a woman in a vegetative state for years gave birth last month at the Phoenix care facility.
[link:https://www.12news.com/article/news/hacienda-healthcare-ceo-resigns-after-woman-in-vegetative-state-gives-birth-at-phoenix-care-facility/75-a7293154-e8d1-418b-83f0-1b2e339f4691|
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)But I still don't see how a full term fetus could have been overlooked. There would have been some movement, just less than usual. And the belly would have grown to accommodate the fetus. Why would they have thought the woman's belly was getting "fat"? Based on food coming though a tube? How likely would that be?
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)When your kids cyanotic it's not the time to educate yourself. It's an easy process. The rewards immeasurable.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Did she become pregnant and how could no one notice this? Completely crazy. That is good the babys grandparents will care for her.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)till the baby was being born. This was a full term pregnancy and someone was adjusting her food lines and bathing her. That person had to know.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)Could be
So she was raped while in a vegetative state by someone who worked there or a visitor? Maybe am missing something here, I thought she was there in a coma for years. So that needs to be part of an investigation as well.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)who worked there during that time.
Makes sense.