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msongs

(67,367 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:22 PM Jan 2019

State Sen. Kai Kahele (Democrat) plans to challenge U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in 2020

article from star advertiser but its behind a paywall so here is the first few graphs:

By Sophie Cocke January 19, 2019 Updated January 19, 2019 12:05am

"State Sen. Kai Kahele plans to challenge U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard for her congressional seat, sources have confirmed. Gabbard just began her fourth term in Congress this month, making the timing of a challenge unusual. She isn’t up for re-election until 2020.

The challenge is a sign that Gabbard, who has enjoyed high popularity ratings since being elected to Congress in 2012, is showing signs of vulnerability.

Neither Kahele nor Gabbard returned calls from the Honolulu Star-Advertiser for comment.

Kahele, who represents Hilo, is expected to announce his plans Monday in Hilo. Kahele is chairman of the Senate Land and Water Committee and has served in the Senate since 2016. He’s the son of the late state Sen. Gil Kahele. Kahele is also a combat veteran, a major in the Hawaii Air National Guard and a pilot for Hawaiian Airlines.

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State Sen. Kai Kahele (Democrat) plans to challenge U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in 2020 (Original Post) msongs Jan 2019 OP
I really like Tulsi Gabbard. David__77 Jan 2019 #1
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #6
I'm serious. David__77 Jan 2019 #7
Why Is Tulsi Gabbard Attacking Mazie Hirono? Cha Jan 2019 #9
She said in 2015 that she still was anti gay marriage and pro-life in her PERSONAL VIEWS, pnwmom Jan 2019 #11
She is a member of the House LGBT Equality Caucus oberliner Jan 2019 #12
I was very impressed by her video apology in the last few days. David__77 Jan 2019 #15
Did she address her statement in 2015 about not having changed her personal views? pnwmom Jan 2019 #18
I don't know a single gay person who was impressed. yardwork Jan 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Jan 2019 #36
Yeah, she got herself into the caucus. But she's not universally appreciated by LGBT groups. pnwmom Jan 2019 #16
"But Michael Golojuch, chairman of the LGBT caucus of the Hawaii Democratic Party Cha Jan 2019 #19
Good to know. Thanks, Cha! n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #20
"U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono suggested in an interview with MSNBC this week that she would not be Cha Jan 2019 #22
but didn't David Duke and Tucker Carlson endorse Gabbard? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #45
Funny ol world, Hermit.. and Mahalo! Cha Jan 2019 #46
P.S. TG says on Tapper's.. she's "not thinking about politics right now".. Cha Jan 2019 #47
HA! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #49
here is an update with working link to the original star advertiser article ... msongs Jan 2019 #2
"U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono suggested in an interview with MSNBC this week that she would not be Cha Jan 2019 #21
And Howard Dean flatly says she isn't qualified -- and she's the only one who isn't. pnwmom Jan 2019 #30
Right, Dean is adamantly against Gabbard. He Cha Jan 2019 #32
Where can I donate? BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #3
Starting Monday: dalton99a Jan 2019 #4
I'll be throwing in a few dollars to that rpannier Jan 2019 #5
Brilliant! Mahalo, State Sen Kai Kahele! Cha Jan 2019 #8
Daniel Inouye would be rolling in his grave dalton99a Jan 2019 #10
I know.. it's shameful.. Cha Jan 2019 #13
Looks like Kai has all the reqs to beat her in a primary. Blue_true Jan 2019 #14
It's been like the Twilight Zone Cha Jan 2019 #17
gee which hawaii politician complained that hillary would not debate bernie enough lol nt msongs Jan 2019 #23
The very same. Cha Jan 2019 #25
Which article had the pay wall? pnwmom Jan 2019 #24
msongs said in her OP that there was a "pay wall".. so Cha Jan 2019 #26
Thanks! pnwmom Jan 2019 #27
my original post was sourced at facebook where the link opened a paywall nt msongs Jan 2019 #39
I don't think she will have a choice other than debate him. Blue_true Jan 2019 #29
I hope Not. Kai could ask her why she Cha Jan 2019 #31
This opponent appears to be the toughest yet for her. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #42
He's Doing Her A Favor Me. Jan 2019 #28
This is the Best News, Me! Cha Jan 2019 #33
Looks LIke Quite A Few People Are Going To Face Questions This Year Me. Jan 2019 #35
We were just discussing TG's future debates or not.. Cha Jan 2019 #38
Well If She's Paying Attention Me. Jan 2019 #40
I was just thinking Cha Jan 2019 #41
Kick for Kai! Cha Jan 2019 #37
A Democratic Incumbent Congresswoman being Primaried? Horrors! Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #43
That..is an understatement.. disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #58
Sign me up! oasis Jan 2019 #44
Aloha, oasis.. and Mahalo! Cha Jan 2019 #48
Thanks for the info Cha. oasis Jan 2019 #50
Hey Oasis. mahina Jan 2019 #51
Thanks for this, and thanks in advance for your future input oasis Jan 2019 #52
Aloha, mahina, and Mahalo nui loa! Cha Jan 2019 #53
Yes, I remember. mahina Jan 2019 #56
I can imagine.. Cha Jan 2019 #59
Aloha, oasis.. more info on Gil and Kai Kahele.. Cha Jan 2019 #54
Mahalo! oasis Jan 2019 #55
Good Luck... disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #57

Response to David__77 (Reply #1)

Cha

(296,881 posts)
9. Why Is Tulsi Gabbard Attacking Mazie Hirono?
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:22 PM
Jan 2019
The U.S. senator has wrongly been accused by her colleague from Hawaii of fomenting religious bigotry.

U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono, Democrat of Hawaii, is under attack.

She stands for women, both as a champion of a woman’s right to choose and as a defender of those who have been sexually assaulted; she fought Trump and the Republicans in defense of the Affordable Care Act, against the Muslim ban and the Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. She is being attacked because she has become one of the most eloquent and effective voices of the values Indivisible Hawaii cherishes.

The attack comes not only from rightwing ideologues, it now comes from Hawaii’s own member of the House of Representatives, Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who on Friday announced her candidacy for the presidency. Her article in The Hill accuses Democratic Party members of the Senate Judiciary Committee of “fomenting religious bigotry” and “weaponizing religion” during their questioning of nominee Brian Buescher to the U.S. District Court in Nebraska.

snip//

Members of Indivisible Hawaii and other groups have visited Sen. Hirono’s offices, as well as those of the other members of Hawaii’s Congressional delegation, dozens of times since President Donald Trump’s Jan. 20, 2017, inauguration. We know firsthand that she has championed our beliefs because we have talked with her and her staff many times. We have followed her votes, watched her on television, read her Facebook Page and emails, and attended her town halls.

snip//

We witnessed what Gabbard did at, during, and after the Democratic Party Convention in 2016 to attack not Trump or the Republicans, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Since Trump’s election Gabbard’s silence in response to Trump’s efforts to dismantle the institutions of our democracy has been deafening and stands in stark contrast to Sen. Hirono’s forthright, clear and courageous actions to fight the racist, misogynist, and authoritarian actions of Trump and the GOP. The Hill article mimics her past behavior — why does she choose to do this again?

More..
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/01/why-is-tulsi-gabbard-attacking-mazie-hirono/

Gabbard is not potus material.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
11. She said in 2015 that she still was anti gay marriage and pro-life in her PERSONAL VIEWS,
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:37 PM
Jan 2019

just not in her political views. And Trey Gowdy likes her.

Do you like that?

The article below was published in Jan. 2016.

https://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/tulsi-gabbard-a-young-star-headed-for-the-cabinet/62604

She’s not “reflexively partisan,” says Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, with whom she’s worked on privacy bills, among other topics; thanks to her service (necessary nod) and in part to those Obama disagreements, he says, his party has somewhat of a soft spot for her. “If ever a Republican won the White House,” he muses, well … “there’s a tradition of picking someone from the other side for one of your slots.” Gabbard, he figures, might be ideal.

SNIP

About 10 years ago, Gabbard violated some of the tenets that now make her so popular as a Democrat with an EMILY’s List endorsement to boot — she was neither pro-choice nor pro-gay-marriage, and in fact fell in line with her erstwhile Republican father. “She’s definitely distanced herself since,” says Jacqueline Lasky, professor of state politics at the University of Hawaii. “She wouldn’t have been successful otherwise.”

SNIP

Fittingly for her narrative, though, the explanation for her changed ideology feints us back onto familiar territory — the military. It was, she says, the days in the Middle East that taught her the dangers of a theocratic government “imposing its will” on the people. (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. She is a member of the House LGBT Equality Caucus
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:45 PM
Jan 2019
Tulsi Gabbard said she has since changed her views and has repeatedly voted in Congress to protect gay rights. She is a member of the House LGBT Equality Caucus, and gay rights group the Human Rights Campaign gave her a score of 100 for her voting record.

The lawmaker previously apologized for her comments about LGBT issues in 2012 when she was first elected to Congress. But with a 2020 run increasing scrutiny on her past, she renewed her apology on Thursday.

"I know that LGBTQ+ people still struggle, are still facing discrimination, are still facing abuse and still fear that their hard-won rights are going to be taken away by people who hold views like I used to," the Hawaii Democrat wrote online. "I regret the role I played in causing such pain, and I remain committed to fighting for LGBTQ+ equality."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/17/tulsi-gabbard-apology-lgbt-comments-1109541

David__77

(23,335 posts)
15. I was very impressed by her video apology in the last few days.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:55 PM
Jan 2019

I’m glad that she addresd the question of the evolution of her own beliefs, and not just her public policy position.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
18. Did she address her statement in 2015 about not having changed her personal views?
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jan 2019

Did she explain why she, unlike Mazie Hirano, didn't support Hawaii's marriage equality bill in 2013?

How many young Democrats would have felt like she did in 2015? To have been personally opposed to marriage equality in 2015? No one who should be representing EVERYONE.

Anyone can make a self-serving video. This is too little, too late.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
34. I don't know a single gay person who was impressed.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jan 2019

Come to think of it, you're the first person I've seen who says they were impressed by it.

Response to yardwork (Reply #34)

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
16. Yeah, she got herself into the caucus. But she's not universally appreciated by LGBT groups.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:55 PM
Jan 2019

In 2016 the Hawaiian LGBT caucus did not support her re-election campaign.

Among other things, Gabbard has been faulted for refusing to get involved in Hawaii's 2013 campaign for marriage equality -- though Mazie Hirano, among others, offered support for it.

https://mauitime.com/news/politics/heres-why-the-hawaii-lgbt-caucus-doesnt-support-rep-tulsi-gabbards-reelection-campaign/

“Fittingly for her narrative, though, the explanation for her changed ideology feints us back onto familiar territory–the military,” states the article. “It was, she says, the days in the Middle East that taught her the dangers of a theocratic government ‘imposing its will’ on the people. (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.)”

So after all this time, Gabbard still personally opposes same-sex marriage, but won’t say or do anything politically about it? This puts her campaign statement on same-sex marriage that we cited above in an entirely different light.

SNIP

This really burned Golojuch. “Just so you know the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) does not speak for the entire or even a majority of the LGBTQ community, especially after they endorsed Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth’s republican challenger for the US Sentate [sic],” Golojuch added in his email to Tsuji.

“The HRC has been out of step with local politics and needs,” Golojuch told MauiTime. He also said he felt insulted that “a straight person” would try to school the Caucus on who they should support. And, he added, the Caucus had “reached out to” Gabbard during the 2013 Legislative Special Session on same-sex marriage, only to be rebuffed. “We were told that Congresswoman Gabbard doesn’t get involved in state politics,” he said, though he noted that Representative Colleen Hanabusa and Senators Mazie Hirono and Brian Schatz had sent people to testify in support of the same-sex marriage bill.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
19. "But Michael Golojuch, chairman of the LGBT caucus of the Hawaii Democratic Party
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jan 2019
..said he wasn’t convinced that Gabbard had truly changed her personal views on homosexuality. “Her evolution doesn’t ring true,” he said.

Golojuch said he was glad to hear Kahele was challenging Gabbard.

“I think it would be amazing to have Kai in that seat,” he said.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/01/19/hawaii-news/sen-kai-kahele-challenges-tulsi-gabbard-for-her-seat/?HSA=bd6d499c27b0df3d8e80e24f6f035c9a540ee384&fbclid=IwAR36_laUWzmlvTOP7jlxKSsN_nHawPDupuEYPQI18lc9afxVuauDpAwRUW8

Cha

(296,881 posts)
22. "U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono suggested in an interview with MSNBC this week that she would not be
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019
supporting Gabbard’s presidential run."

That link msongs provided down thread got us through the pay wall.. Thank Goodness!

Mahalo for all your help on this Issue, pnwmom!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,264 posts)
45. but didn't David Duke and Tucker Carlson endorse Gabbard?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jan 2019

A big innocent-looking, wide-eyed grin should be here.

alas, all I have is

Here's hoping you get the better Rep you deserve, Cha. Gabbard should be put out to pasture.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
46. Funny ol world, Hermit.. and Mahalo!
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jan 2019

Things(facts) are finally coming out about TG that we were hoping would have before the midterms( in the debates she wouldn't show up for).

All I saw were signs.. which mean nothing without substance.

Best of Luck to Kai Kahele!

Cha

(296,881 posts)
21. "U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono suggested in an interview with MSNBC this week that she would not be
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jan 2019
supporting Gabbard’s presidential run".

Mahalo for the link, msong

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
30. And Howard Dean flatly says she isn't qualified -- and she's the only one who isn't.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:27 AM
Jan 2019

That's pretty much how I feel, too, so far.

To what Dean said, I'd add her post election meeting with Trump in the Tower.

On Thursday former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told CNN that he thought all of the party’s candidates are qualified to be president except for Gabbard.

“I don’t think she knows what she’s doing, and I don’t think she … is qualified. She’s not qualified,” Dean said.

Dean referenced Gabbard’s trip to Syria where she met with President Bashar al-Assad and her past statements about gay people. “I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing,” he said.



https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/01/19/hawaii-news/sen-kai-kahele-challenges-tulsi-gabbard-for-her-seat/?HSA=bd6d499c27b0df3d8e80e24f6f035c9a540ee384&fbclid=IwAR36_laUWzmlvTOP7jlxKSsN_nHawPDupuEYPQI18lc9afxVuauDpAwRUW8

Cha

(296,881 posts)
32. Right, Dean is adamantly against Gabbard. He
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:38 AM
Jan 2019

doesn't hold back.. Thanks Dean!

Best of Luck to Kai Kahele!

Cha

(296,881 posts)
8. Brilliant! Mahalo, State Sen Kai Kahele!
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:19 PM
Jan 2019
Why Is Tulsi Gabbard Attacking Mazie Hirono?

The U.S. senator has wrongly been accused by her colleague from Hawaii of fomenting religious bigotry.

U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono, Democrat of Hawaii, is under attack.

She stands for women, both as a champion of a woman’s right to choose and as a defender of those who have been sexually assaulted; she fought Trump and the Republicans in defense of the Affordable Care Act, against the Muslim ban and the Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. She is being attacked because she has become one of the most eloquent and effective voices of the values Indivisible Hawaii cherishes.

The attack comes not only from rightwing ideologues, it now comes from Hawaii’s own member of the House of Representatives, Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who on Friday announced her candidacy for the presidency. Her article in The Hill accuses Democratic Party members of the Senate Judiciary Committee of “fomenting religious bigotry” and “weaponizing religion” during their questioning of nominee Brian Buescher to the U.S. District Court in Nebraska.

snip//

Members of Indivisible Hawaii and other groups have visited Sen. Hirono’s offices, as well as those of the other members of Hawaii’s Congressional delegation, dozens of times since President Donald Trump’s Jan. 20, 2017, inauguration. We know firsthand that she has championed our beliefs because we have talked with her and her staff many times. We have followed her votes, watched her on television, read her Facebook Page and emails, and attended her town halls.

snip//

We witnessed what Gabbard did at, during, and after the Democratic Party Convention in 2016 to attack not Trump or the Republicans, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Since Trump’s election Gabbard’s silence in response to Trump’s efforts to dismantle the institutions of our democracy has been deafening and stands in stark contrast to Sen. Hirono’s forthright, clear and courageous actions to fight the racist, misogynist, and authoritarian actions of Trump and the GOP. The Hill article mimics her past behavior — why does she choose to do this again?

More..
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/01/why-is-tulsi-gabbard-attacking-mazie-hirono/

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Looks like Kai has all the reqs to beat her in a primary.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:48 PM
Jan 2019

Combat veteran, from a politically well connected family, a sitting State Senator, young like she is. Sounds like this will be by far the stiffest challenge that she has faced, Kai has everything that she has and appears to be a progressive running in a progressive district and state. In addition, Tulsi attacked a US Senator who is a many times elected official from the state.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
17. It's been like the Twilight Zone
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jan 2019

here for me, anyway.

She's been getting a free ride.. it's no wonder she won't debate her opponents for 4 years.

I wonder if he said behind the pay wall why he decided to challenge her?

Senator Kaiali‘i Kahele



https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/memberpage.aspx?member=kkahele

This is the Best News!

Cha

(296,881 posts)
26. msongs said in her OP that there was a "pay wall".. so
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:23 AM
Jan 2019

I didn't even try to access. Then down thread she gave a link and I tried that and it worked.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11697359

"article from star advertiser but its behind a paywall so here is the first few graphs:"

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. I don't think she will have a choice other than debate him.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jan 2019

He is no virtual unknown that she can ignore. He is as well connected in the state as she is.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
31. I hope Not. Kai could ask her why she
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:30 AM
Jan 2019

disingenuously attacked Mazie Hirono.. our beloved Senator

I voted for her last two opponents.. Hopefully 3rd time is the Charm!

Cha

(296,881 posts)
33. This is the Best News, Me!
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jan 2019

she'll be getting facts thrown at her from all sides.

You know there are lots of reasons State Sen Kai Kehele has decided to run against her.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
35. Looks LIke Quite A Few People Are Going To Face Questions This Year
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:43 AM
Jan 2019

'bout time...let's see if she refuses to show up for debates this time.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
40. Well If She's Paying Attention
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:06 AM
Jan 2019

she'll remember Crowley never bothered to show up to debate AOC. Look at how well that worked for him.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
41. I was just thinking
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:21 AM
Jan 2019

about that.. how it wasn't ok for him but some were fine with her not debating.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
43. A Democratic Incumbent Congresswoman being Primaried? Horrors!
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jan 2019

What about the Republicans who we must stay focused on fighting? What about the disunity inside the Democratic Caucus this type thing sows? What about the money and resources being wasted on fighting Democrats that is needed to oppose the Republican agenda???

I have problems with Gabbard also. And I support the primary process, especially in entrenched Democratic districts where incumbency tends to otherwise become permanent by default. I welcome this primary contest. I also welcome consistency, something I sometimes see lacking here in viewpoints regarding primary challenges to Democratic incumbents.

oasis

(49,338 posts)
50. Thanks for the info Cha.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:51 PM
Jan 2019

I'll pass it on to some of my Island pals. I been given to understand that "resign to run" doesn't apply for Hawaii office holders running for president

mahina

(17,625 posts)
51. Hey Oasis.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jan 2019

I’m looking forward to learning more about Kai. I loved his Dad. It’s encouraging that he only gets a 27% rating from the American Conservative Union and 33% by the NRA.
https://votesmart.org/candidate/167669/kaialii-kahele#.XEUapxpuihA

I think she only has to resign to run if the new office would begin before the last day in the current office, which it wouldn’t. Cobb v. State by Watanabe, 722 P. 2d 1032 - Haw: Supreme Court 1986

Anyhoo. Kai seems nice but I would like him to answer the questionnaire Ballotpedia sent him which remains unanswered, giving him a 0 in political courage. I’ll ask around!
I think I remember that he was a Republican but that in his Dad’s honor, he was asked to fill his Dad’s seat at his passing. It’s a vague memory and I could be wrong.

Hilo was a political powerhouse in Hawaii, and remains so.

Thanks so much Cha and Pwnmom upthread for all the good info. Aloha all.

oasis

(49,338 posts)
52. Thanks for this, and thanks in advance for your future input
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:38 PM
Jan 2019

on info concerning the District seat.

Aloha.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
53. Aloha, mahina, and Mahalo nui loa!
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:32 AM
Jan 2019

I see nowhere that Gilbert Kahele or Kai have ever been a repub.

Gil was appointed by Gov Neil Abercrombie to State Senate and Kai was appointed to his dad's seat, when he passed on, by Gov Ige.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Kahele

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiali%E2%80%98i_Kahele

They both have a record of dedicated service.

mahina

(17,625 posts)
56. Yes, I remember.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:14 AM
Jan 2019

It was an emotional time for sure, with Gil passing so suddenly.

Aloha no Cha.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
54. Aloha, oasis.. more info on Gil and Kai Kahele..
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:37 AM
Jan 2019

I see nowhere that Gilbert Kahele or Kai have ever been a repub.

Gil was appointed by Gov Neil Abercrombie to State Senate and Kai was appointed to his dad's seat, when he passed on, by Gov Ige.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Kahele

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiali%E2%80%98i_Kahele

They both have a record of dedicated service.

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