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Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:09 PM Jan 2019

So effing torn right now

Usually opposed to doxxing as the risk of exposing the wrong person is very high but that MAGAt asshole teenager in DC with the smug, self-satisfied smirk has me seeing red. It makes me tempted to look the other way if someone does.

Seriously I'm coming around to the belief that extensive public shaming and his seeing his future prospects go "poof" is the only thing that will humble the little shit and wipe that disgusting smirk off his face.

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So effing torn right now (Original Post) Jake Stern Jan 2019 OP
But the adults deserve more blame sharedvalues Jan 2019 #1
This! dhol82 Jan 2019 #2
Then my questions are Jake Stern Jan 2019 #5
"Just a kid"? Same age as the Parkland students. fierywoman Jan 2019 #6
You just gave the real answer to this issue. Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #7
Just a kid? Most kids know to not menace others, and that jeering others for who they are isn't WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #8
If he were a 17-year-old Muslim shouting down a white Christian EffieBlack Jan 2019 #13
Good point! Being privileged and white, he has the "freedom" to act badly and avoids any fallout. VOX Jan 2019 #30
Thank you JustAnotherGen Jan 2019 #31
Yes, but the youth nevertheless acts as a conduit for that hatred, thus perpetuating it. VOX Jan 2019 #28
Problem is, "he" was already doxxed...and they got the wrong person... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #3
Having people's identities made public can be a good thing. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #4
I'm not torn. roamer65 Jan 2019 #9
I dread to think of the reaction from my father Jake Stern Jan 2019 #12
He was perfectly comfortable stepping up Phoenix61 Jan 2019 #10
Yep Jake Stern Jan 2019 #11
Yes a thousand times padah513 Jan 2019 #27
After taking a break from the news and thinking about it Jake Stern Jan 2019 #14
Good idea. You wouldn't want to accidentally name someone who, on the day of the incident, pnwmom Jan 2019 #15
That's the worst part: the innocent who looks alike or has a similar name Jake Stern Jan 2019 #16
I hope it didn't ruin their day. If I had been the mom and heard all that was happening . . . . pnwmom Jan 2019 #17
I understand the anger and desire to take this kid down a few notches Jake Stern Jan 2019 #19
It's not doxxing when people are doing shit in public. Mariana Jan 2019 #18
The problem is that when someone else is caught up in it Jake Stern Jan 2019 #20
That risk has always existed, too. Mariana Jan 2019 #22
What do you call it when you attack the WRONG person? pnwmom Jan 2019 #21
It isn't doxxing, by definition, so it shouldn't be called that. nt. Mariana Jan 2019 #24
+1 treestar Jan 2019 #35
He's been doxxed on Facebook. More importantly, the high school contact info has been published GoneOffShore Jan 2019 #23
Not everyone in Covington is like them renate Jan 2019 #25
The real answer is that they are ignorant vlyons Jan 2019 #26
+1 2naSalit Jan 2019 #29
Perhaps EffieBlack Jan 2019 #32
I don't "excuse" the ignorant behavior of anyone vlyons Jan 2019 #33
He is old enough to drive and apply to college treestar Jan 2019 #34

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
1. But the adults deserve more blame
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:11 PM
Jan 2019

His teachers and priests and parents taught him this.

It’s just a kid. Pay attention to the adults— they deserve more blame.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
5. Then my questions are
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:32 PM
Jan 2019

When do they own it? When do they finally take responsibility for their actions, no matter who taught them?



WhiskeyGrinder

(22,150 posts)
8. Just a kid? Most kids know to not menace others, and that jeering others for who they are isn't
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jan 2019

a good thing to do.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
13. If he were a 17-year-old Muslim shouting down a white Christian
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:55 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)

he wouldn't be "just a kid." He'd be a "terrorist" and the only questions would have been about when and how he was radicalized.

If he were a 17-year-old Hispanic aggresively challenging a white politician, he wouldn't be "just a kid." He'd be an "illegal" who needs to be deported (even if he was born here).

And if he'd been a 17-year-old black male who got in any white person's face, he wouldn't be "just a kid." He'd be dead.

So, I'm not impressed that this privileged white guy was "just a kid." Yes, his parents and school shoulder some of the blame, but he's old enough to know better and to make his own choices and he chose to behave like a racist thug. That's on him.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
30. Good point! Being privileged and white, he has the "freedom" to act badly and avoids any fallout.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:11 AM
Jan 2019

But flip the scenario (as you did), and that young man would be dead or behind bars, guaranteed.

As I posted below, even if he was steered wrong by parents and other adults, he is still perpetuating the blind hatred-- and for that, he's just as responsible as anybody else .

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
31. Thank you
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jan 2019

Trayvon was not treated as "just a kid". Even at DU we had people who made him out to be a monster.

That little fucker head is 17 - a "huge bulking super human" and for all I know might have been ready to bash that gentleman's head on a sidewalk.

Lots of pavement around the kid - so he was "armed".

See what I did there Effie?

PS - We are the base. They best get used to us writing and saying these things. Time to spend as much time on the psychology and beliefs of the core Democratic Party base - as the dominant culture spends on that little maggot beat and his parents.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
28. Yes, but the youth nevertheless acts as a conduit for that hatred, thus perpetuating it.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:00 AM
Jan 2019

And the toxic legacy must be interrupted at some point in the chain. The youth may also be more malleable, and maybe-possibly-might learn from the blowback caused by his genuinely hateful and disrespectful behavior.

Although I don't hold out much hope that any Trumpist would see the light.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
3. Problem is, "he" was already doxxed...and they got the wrong person...
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jan 2019

There's a thread on it elsewhere on DU. The Internet Crusaders came up with a name for the guy getting in Phillips's face by comparing his photo with posted ones of students at that school -- but it turned out to be another student who hadn't even gone to D.C. I can imagine what hell his life has since become...and probably will be for the foreseeable future.

BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
4. Having people's identities made public can be a good thing.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jan 2019

But the problem comes when there was a misfire, as was the case with this kid initially. It appears the correct name has now surfaced and that kid is in for a rough road. But it sucks some other kid had his life turned upside down due to a twitter mob getting it wrong. And since there will always be mistakes, your concern comes with plenty of merit.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
9. I'm not torn.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:38 AM
Jan 2019

If I were the kid’s dad, I’d pull out the belt and he wouldn’t be able to sit for a month.

Phoenix61

(16,954 posts)
10. He was perfectly comfortable stepping up
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jan 2019

like he was a grown man, he shouldn't be surprised when he is treated like one.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
14. After taking a break from the news and thinking about it
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:53 AM
Jan 2019

Think I'm going to stick with my no doxxing policy. Not going to compromise my principles for that turd.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
15. Good idea. You wouldn't want to accidentally name someone who, on the day of the incident,
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:59 AM
Jan 2019

was busy attending his brother's wedding rehearsal in a different city.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
16. That's the worst part: the innocent who looks alike or has a similar name
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:00 AM
Jan 2019

caught up in all the mess.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. I hope it didn't ruin their day. If I had been the mom and heard all that was happening . . . .
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:02 AM
Jan 2019

and my son's name and photo was all over the Internet . . .

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
19. I understand the anger and desire to take this kid down a few notches
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:05 AM
Jan 2019

But not at the cost of another's emotional and mental health and personal safety.

I have a feeling he'll expose himself after awhile. Maybe an appearance on Hannity?

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
18. It's not doxxing when people are doing shit in public.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:05 AM
Jan 2019

Someone in a public place can have no reasonable expectation of privacy. This was true long before there was such a thing as the internet.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
20. The problem is that when someone else is caught up in it
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:07 AM
Jan 2019

They essentially pay the price for his sins. Not an acceptable risk.

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
22. That risk has always existed, too.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:29 AM
Jan 2019

Heck, the news organizations are just as bad as the internet warriors, and they have been for a very long time, reporting every little rumor they catch wind of by saying "We've received a report that ... " People hear that and take what follows as gospel. I tend not to believe any story until it hasn't changed for at least 24-48 hours, whether on the internet or on the news. The good thing about the internet is that such errors tend to get corrected much more quickly.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
21. What do you call it when you attack the WRONG person?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:18 AM
Jan 2019

The one who's big goal in life is to be a chef, and is busy attending his brother's wedding rehearsal?

And you wrongly put his name and photo, and college hopes, all over the internet?

GoneOffShore

(17,309 posts)
23. He's been doxxed on Facebook. More importantly, the high school contact info has been published
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:29 AM
Jan 2019


Covington Catholic High School
1600 Dixie Highway
Park Hills, KY 41011
P (859) 491-2247

The principal's email is browe@covath.org

Eddie Eviston
Titles: Current Issues, Sociology, Dean of Discipline,
Email: eeviston@covcath.org

Anthony Zechella
Titles: Assistant Principal, Dean of Academics
Email: azechella@covcath.org

Michael Guidugli
Titles: Assistant Principal, Dean of Students,
Email: mguidugli@covcath.org

renate

(13,776 posts)
25. Not everyone in Covington is like them
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:48 AM
Jan 2019

I’m on my phone so please forgive me if I screw this up, but I thought this response from the mayor of Covington was lovely:

https://www.covingtonky.gov/news/2019/01/19/mayor-meyer-covington-appalled

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
26. The real answer is that they are ignorant
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:10 AM
Jan 2019

Ignorant in the Buddhist sense. Ignorant in their beliefs that somehow they are better than "those people." Ignorant that they do not understand that we are all connected. Ignorant in their habit of self-cherishing and lack of empathy for others. Ignorant in understanding that all people everywhere want to be happy and content and live a peaceful life.

I'm afraid that it often times takes a deep shock of suffering for a kid like that (and his parents also) to understand and empathize with the suffering of others. To feel the intense pain and humiliation of losing a job, or the pain of seeing his children go hungry, or sleep homeless somewhere, or have the suffering of physical pain and not be able to see a Dr. Suffering like that it what it takes for kids like that to grow up and see the light and understand the suffering of others.

You can bet that kid gets an earful of ignorance and hatred from his parents at home. Babies aren't born hating. They are taught to hate. Hatred is poison.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
32. Perhaps
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jan 2019

But I'm tired of white kids who screw up being called "ignorant" while black and brown kids who screw up being labeled immoral and criminals.

When was the last time you heard anyone excuse the behavior of a young black man who gets into trouble by saying "he was just ignorant"?

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
33. I don't "excuse" the ignorant behavior of anyone
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jan 2019

But as a Buddhist, I recognize that ignorance is at the root of all our problems. Everyone has the ability to be high-minded and nurture ethical morality, how we treat one another. Everyone can choose to work on eradicating their anger, hatred, false pride, and ego-cherishing. Everyone can aspire to have compassion and tolerance and patience. But do they?

The hardest thing to do is to have compassion for people we don't like. Compassion is not the same as getting a free pass for bad behavior. Justice is a virtue. Eventually the consequences of bad behavior bear fruit in bad outcomes.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. He is old enough to drive and apply to college
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jan 2019

looks like he is in high school.

He could be tried as an adult in certain circumstances.

He was old enough to be at a march.

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