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Covington Catholic High School mob from another angle,, over the shoulder of the smirker (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jan 2019 OP
I'm a Michigander, not an American. roamer65 Jan 2019 #1
Another black eye for Catholics and America. democratisphere Jan 2019 #2
The woman in front of him is furious. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #3
thanks to her and a few others, we have the video Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #4
Yes. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #5
I want to punch out a few front teeth. fierywoman Jan 2019 #7
Same! Initech Jan 2019 #9
Does anybody know how this ended? MontanaMama Jan 2019 #6
God what is wrong with people? Initech Jan 2019 #8
It wasn't just 1 snot nosed jerk, but a whole group of them uppityperson Jan 2019 #10
This is a disaster for Trump. It has completely taken over social media Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #11
The man chanting - what dignity, grace and bravery to see. gtar100 Jan 2019 #12
Proud of him (the indian) for standing his ground and not moving. Amazing. nt SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #29
The "Twitler Youth." SergeStorms Jan 2019 #13
+1 UpInArms Jan 2019 #16
Exactly! pandr32 Jan 2019 #35
Staff member at their school. underpants Jan 2019 #52
There are no words... SergeStorms Jan 2019 #55
They're trying to say the CCHS boys were provoked by another group. This video proves it is a lie. Squinch Jan 2019 #14
They were not provoked by another group - but this video does not show the alleged provociation Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #15
Provoked to do what? UpInArms Jan 2019 #17
Read again, with comprehension. Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #18
Gee, one cannot even agree with you UpInArms Jan 2019 #21
Looked to me like you were scolding me for suggesting they were provoked. Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #22
No worries ... UpInArms Jan 2019 #28
Moving that direction relatively quickly Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #38
Well done! UpInArms Jan 2019 #46
And I am saying that what you are calling the "provocation" was merely 5 idiots spewing Squinch Jan 2019 #23
Have you watched the full video? oberliner Jan 2019 #24
Yes I have. And I will ask you again: have you? Because you seem to see something in Squinch Jan 2019 #25
I'm not calling ANYTHING provocation. Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #44
OK, then I will refer you to the long video and restate that there was no provocation. Squinch Jan 2019 #47
Which I noted in my first post. Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #48
So glad you are here to keep DU aspirational. Squinch Jan 2019 #49
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #26
Weren't prepared for? So what? David__77 Jan 2019 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #36
Specific actions... David__77 Jan 2019 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #40
I see no place for "but they're kids." David__77 Jan 2019 #43
yawn obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #41
Link to a video showing Elder Phillips or other Natives doing this? obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #39
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #42
Man I would of liked to ask this little dicked smug prick what the fuck is your problem? UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #19
First impression was Hitler Youth. SCVDem Jan 2019 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #27
"Given an okay, they would have killed the Elder without a second thought" oberliner Jan 2019 #31
They wouldn't have killed him because of witnesses - perhaps if it was an upstairs bedroom AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2019 #45
Love the last line underpants Jan 2019 #53
Curious to know if the women in the video at 0:23 and 0:30 are accompanying minors... Anon-C Jan 2019 #30
Do you think any of them are gathered around to hear the drumming and chanting? oberliner Jan 2019 #32
Someone's not getting into ND aeromanKC Jan 2019 #33
I do not see a link to a video. ?? pangaia Jan 2019 #50
Me either underpants Jan 2019 #51
Here's one Bonx Jan 2019 #54
I don't think this is the video referenced in the OP onenote Jan 2019 #56
BUH BUH the Indian was IN HIS FACE budkin Jan 2019 #57
Linkie No Workie Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #58

sheshe2

(83,744 posts)
3. The woman in front of him is furious.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:44 AM
Jan 2019

As the camera starts to pan a man wearing tribal beads looks on seemingly bewildered with what is happening and a boy looks frightened.

The disrespect of a tribal elder who served his country breaks my heart. My fondest wish would be to slap his smirk off his face.

MontanaMama

(23,307 posts)
6. Does anybody know how this ended?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:14 AM
Jan 2019

Did the little magat pukes walk away? We’re they hauled away? Was Elder Phillips able to leave unscathed? I’m late to the game tonight and this is so very upsetting.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
11. This is a disaster for Trump. It has completely taken over social media
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:50 AM
Jan 2019

and everyone with half a heart is completely disgusted to think this is what is being brought out in our youth because of Trump.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
12. The man chanting - what dignity, grace and bravery to see.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:30 AM
Jan 2019

Regardless of what you think of the boy standing and smirking, he just received an impression that will likely stay with him for the rest of his life. I imagine it's going to be the face of this man and the sound of his voice and drum that will follow him into his sleep tonight. And hopefully many more. What becomes of the boy remains to be seen.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
13. The "Twitler Youth."
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:34 AM
Jan 2019

The "Hitler Youth" were often forced to join Hitler's training camp for future Nazis. These "Twitler Youth" are willfully abandoning all decency and claims of "christianity" by confronting these peaceful Omaha Native Americans. Is this what catholicism is teaching the youth of America?

This is particularly unnerving. The youth of the United States of America being schooled in hate, nonacceptance, and disrespect for others by a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION! It's way past time to start taxing churches in this country. If I were president I'd give all churches one year to straighten up their acts. Either they stop interfering with the affairs of State, or they lose their precious tax exempt status as a church.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
55. There are no words...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:25 PM
Jan 2019

that can explain how I feel about that religious piece of crap. If I was silly enough to use "twitter" I'd tweet him a reply. "Why is it men of "god" feel the need to rape little boys?". Drop the mic and walk away.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
14. They're trying to say the CCHS boys were provoked by another group. This video proves it is a lie.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:48 AM
Jan 2019

There is no one provoking them. There is no one threatening them. There is no reason for this.

This is Hitler Youth style intimidation. This is the horror of our time.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
15. They were not provoked by another group - but this video does not show the alleged provociation
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:26 AM
Jan 2019

Please don't pretend that the absence of that interaction in this video of an event that occurred before this video started proves that event never happened.

(I have seen the video of the event alleged to have triggered this one, and can confirm there was no provocation. BUT this video starts AFTER that interaction.)

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
17. Provoked to do what?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:05 AM
Jan 2019

They are responsible for their actions ...

To taunt an Indian drumming?

Excuse me ... I don’t think they are justified in their bad actions.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
18. Read again, with comprehension.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jan 2019

You don't even have to go beyond the caption.

My concern was with using fake news tactics to prove the lack of provocation. The poster to whom I was responding asserted that the video posted, which begins AFTER the allegedly provocative incident, proves there was no provocation. If something happens at 10:00 AM, and you have a video that begins at 10:30 AM, the video beginning a half hour after the alleged incident cannot prove anything about whether the incident occurred or not because it does not capture the relevant time frame.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
22. Looked to me like you were scolding me for suggesting they were provoked.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

If that wasn't what you intended, put it down to oxycodone, a spiral fracture in my tibia, and two other fractures in my fibula.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
28. No worries ...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jan 2019

the inability to express inflection through text can be a problem

Hope you feel better soon

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
38. Moving that direction relatively quickly
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jan 2019

The break was Wednesday on a patch of black ice. Surgery thursday, back home yesterday and moving up and down the split level to the bathroom without assistance. Not bad for 62 - since it too my brother 2 weeks to do the same, with a simpler break at 35. But he's a big baby.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
23. And I am saying that what you are calling the "provocation" was merely 5 idiots spewing
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jan 2019

hate through a microphone. They were exercising their right to free speech, however abhorrent we find that speech.

The 5 guys did not approach the boys. The boys came to them. They did not touch the boys. They did nothing but speak. They did what you and I would fight for their right to do, no matter how much we disagreed with what they were saying.

There was no provocation. The boys could have walked on. The boys could have argued back at the 5 idiots, exercising their own right to free speech. There was nothing in the preceding events that could be legitimately construed as provoking 50 near-men to surround Mr. Phillips, who was unrelated to either group, prevent his escape, scream at him, taunt him, insult him and intimidate him.

If we are going to start characterizing hateful free speech as provocation to assaults like the one perpetrated on Mr. Phillips, we may as well hang up the Constitution and give up.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Have you watched the full video?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jan 2019

Not everything that you have written here is entirely accurate.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
25. Yes I have. And I will ask you again: have you? Because you seem to see something in
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jan 2019

it that is not there. You have not answered my previous questions to you about what it is you think you see in this video.

So here again is the question I asked you earlier: You seem to think the asinine rants by the 5 idiots who identify themselves as Black Israelites, rants that were fully protected under our Right to Free Speech, drove those 50 near-men to abuse Mr. Phillips. Is that your position?

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
44. I'm not calling ANYTHING provocation.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jan 2019

What I'm saying is that if a video starts at 10:30, you can't use that video to prove that nothing happened at 10:15 - which (specific times aside) is what you did.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
47. OK, then I will refer you to the long video and restate that there was no provocation.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jan 2019

The long video has been posted in many places.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
48. Which I noted in my first post.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jan 2019

My point was solely that you were insisting a video that did not even capture the critical point in time proved provocation did not occur - which is an impossibility, and a boast worthy of being called fake news - not something we ought to aspire to on DU.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #15)

David__77

(23,369 posts)
34. Weren't prepared for? So what?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jan 2019

Does that somehow absolve responsibility for own actions? Someone could also not be prepared to have their soup served cold in a restaurant - so what?

Response to David__77 (Reply #34)

David__77

(23,369 posts)
37. Specific actions...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:14 PM
Jan 2019

Chant regarding wall.
Hand chopping motions, if those occurred (I didn’t notice them).
Wearing pro-Trump hats.
Singing that I think was mockery of the Native American’s singing.

I do think that those things add up to a reasonable case for white chauvinism, not necessarily of every student there- of some.

Each individual is responsible for his or her actions, in my opinion.

I appreciate the focus on specific actions rather than generalizations.

Response to David__77 (Reply #37)

David__77

(23,369 posts)
43. I see no place for "but they're kids."
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

I see no place for “but.”

I’ve watched a lot of video footage.

Mockery and white nationalist politics.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #39)

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
19. Man I would of liked to ask this little dicked smug prick what the fuck is your problem?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jan 2019

I would of put my body right in between. I have encountered much worse then this band of puppy water squirters...fuck outta here with that bullshit.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
20. First impression was Hitler Youth.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jan 2019

Given an okay, they would have killed the Elder without a second thought.

Animal skin drum heads are hardly sharp and in your face although he could have moved his ugly face a few feet.

Your kid is famous, lady! He can live in your cellar forever.

Response to SCVDem (Reply #20)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. "Given an okay, they would have killed the Elder without a second thought"
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jan 2019

This is something you actually believe or were you using hyperbole?

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,242 posts)
45. They wouldn't have killed him because of witnesses - perhaps if it was an upstairs bedroom
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jan 2019

with the music turned up, the door barricaded, and just a couple of the MAGA's involved. The gentleman was becoming frightened of the threat surrounding him. These young people were certainly provoking him, and if he would have responded that may have been the end to this elderly gentleman.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
30. Curious to know if the women in the video at 0:23 and 0:30 are accompanying minors...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jan 2019

...or adult chaperones.

And FYI the one finger raised you see flashed at 0:31 is a racist meme:

https://emojipedia.org/white-up-pointing-index/

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. Do you think any of them are gathered around to hear the drumming and chanting?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jan 2019

Some of the onlookers look to maybe be doing that.

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