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pnwmom

(108,976 posts) Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:49 AM Jan 2019

Tulsi Gabbard has NEVER faced an opponent in any debate AND YET

she criticized the DNC for not scheduling more Presidential debates!

Seems ironic, doesn't it?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-tulsi-gabbard-dodges-debates

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, the congresswoman who resigned from a top Democratic Party post after protesting a lack of debates between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, is now refusing to debate her own Democratic opponent.

Arguing for more debates between Sanders and Hillary last October, Gabbard told MSNBC, “We’ve gotta have more opportunities for people to present their vision for our country, their plans, and to be held accountable for the positions that they’re taking.” After months of dissent over the Democratic debate schedule, Gabbard stepped down from her position as a Democratic National Committee vice chairwoman to endorse Sanders.

But now that Gabbard is being challenged by progressive activist Shay Chan Hodges, she is refusing to even respond to a request for debates.

http://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/post/congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-avoids-public-debateforum-primary-election-race

Hawai’i’s Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has made it through two election cycles without facing any of her challengers in a public debate or forum.

U.S. Representative Tulsi Gabbard won her congressional district seat 6 years ago. Since then, she has not appeared in a debate or forum with any of her opponents, Democrat or Republican, despite her support of the electoral process in 2014.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/256640-dnc-officer-i-was-disinvited-after-call-for-more-debates

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), says she was disinvited from the first Democratic presidential debate after calling for more debates, according to a new report.

“When I first came to Washington, one of the things that I was disappointed about was there’s a lot of immaturity and petty gamesmanship that goes on, and it kind of reminds me of how high school teenagers act,” Gabbard told The New York Times.

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Tulsi Gabbard has NEVER faced an opponent in any debate AND YET (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2019 OP

debates would have shown how far she is from the hirono/schatz democrats of hawaii nt msongs Jan 2019 #1

Not to mention the Obama supporters. n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #2

She so wasting her time. Her past anti-gay, pro-Assad positions... brush Jan 2019 #3

She gave a cloying video apology a couple days ago for her past LGBT positions. pnwmom Jan 2019 #5

Me either. Her ambitions are clouding her judgment... brush Jan 2019 #6

She said She was sorry JustAnotherGen Jan 2019 #17

KnR Hekate Jan 2019 #4

So what do you suggest Democrats do about her now. ancianita Jan 2019 #7

Nothing, except make her record public. And when the time comes, vote for someone else. n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #8

+1. She would rather hang out with Republicans anyway dalton99a Jan 2019 #10

We have DU rules. When do they apply. Seriously. Because she's still a Democrat. ancianita Jan 2019 #12

I don't know what the clay pigeon thread was but YES, we're in the run-up to the primaries now, pnwmom Jan 2019 #15

Thanks. When primaries begin always slips past me. I'm still recovering from 2016-17. ancianita Jan 2019 #20

Public records for candidates seems to be too much for some. Cha Jan 2019 #14

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #9

2018.. Challenger criticizes Gabbard for avoiding debates prior to primary election Cha Jan 2019 #11

K&R betsuni Jan 2019 #13

So now we support challenging democratic incumbents Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #16

I don't think her campaign is real dansolo Jan 2019 #18

Many people share your opinion. Being a "candidate" is a very effective and visible way to ATTACK... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #19

Just the thought of her running to do that really pisses me off. ancianita Jan 2019 #21

+1, she'll be a well paid FAUX News commentator soon uponit7771 Jan 2019 #22

msongs

(67,395 posts)

1. debates would have shown how far she is from the hirono/schatz democrats of hawaii nt

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:00 AM

Jan 2019

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)

2. Not to mention the Obama supporters. n/t

Reply to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:06 AM

Jan 2019

brush

(53,764 posts)

3. She so wasting her time. Her past anti-gay, pro-Assad positions...

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:18 AM

Jan 2019

are coming out. Stupid of her to think they wouldn't, not to mention her Obama bashing on FOX and her cozying up to trump after the 2016 election.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)

5. She gave a cloying video apology a couple days ago for her past LGBT positions.

Reply to brush (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:27 AM

Jan 2019

Some people are swallowing it.

But not me.

brush

(53,764 posts)

6. Me either. Her ambitions are clouding her judgment...

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:34 AM

Jan 2019

as is her opinion if herself as presidential. She's more likely to lose the 2020 primary for her district than make it through the first presidential primary.

And I say good riddance to this repug in Dem clothing.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)

17. She said She was sorry

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:35 AM

Jan 2019

For what she said in that. I didn't hear for my beliefs.

She doesn't deserve to stand on the stage.

Hekate

(90,644 posts)

4. KnR

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:24 AM

Jan 2019

ancianita

(36,023 posts)

7. So what do you suggest Democrats do about her now.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:54 AM

Jan 2019

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)

8. Nothing, except make her record public. And when the time comes, vote for someone else. n/t

Reply to ancianita (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:57 AM

Jan 2019

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)

10. +1. She would rather hang out with Republicans anyway

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:04 AM

Jan 2019

and Russians

ancianita

(36,023 posts)

12. We have DU rules. When do they apply. Seriously. Because she's still a Democrat.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:52 AM

Jan 2019

I remember wanting to bring her name up in the "clay pigeon" thread, when everyone was hotly proclaiming that we shouldn't be shooting down each of the party's candidates as they come up, one by one. I was sure I'd get "reported" if I did.

But now it's okay, huh?

Is it because we can do it during primaries? That's our open season? Except no one in that "clay pigeon" thread ever said that primaries were open season on fellow Democrats.

I'm going to posit here that there's something we can shoot at about every last damn Democrat who comes forward to run in 2020. Tulsi is right up there. But.

Trying to get the rules straight is a good thing.

Because some of us are not more equal Democrats than others.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)

15. I don't know what the clay pigeon thread was but YES, we're in the run-up to the primaries now,

Reply to ancianita (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:17 AM

Jan 2019

and she's announced that she's running. So it's okay to criticize her fairly and to be honest about what we think about her candidacy. That doesn't mean we should be vicious or unfair.

Here are the Terms of Service. Note that it prohibits "bashing, trashing,"etc. any "Democratic general election candidate." That doesn't apply to people who are competing in primaries for the Democratic nomination. And while constructive criticism is "welcome," Democrats shouldn't be "viciously denigrated."

And after our nominee has been chosen, we should NOT compare that person unfavorably to any general election opponent.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Among them, there is this one:

Don't bash Democratic public figures

Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

ancianita

(36,023 posts)

20. Thanks. When primaries begin always slips past me. I'm still recovering from 2016-17.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:40 AM

Jan 2019

Here's the referenced thread I neglected to link. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211637953

Cha

(297,149 posts)

14. Public records for candidates seems to be too much for some.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:11 AM

Jan 2019

What a shame.

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Cha

(297,149 posts)

11. 2018.. Challenger criticizes Gabbard for avoiding debates prior to primary election

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:17 AM

Jan 2019

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Sherry Alu Campagna is one of two candidates challenging U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in the Democratic primary.

But Campagna's hope for a debate doesn't look likely as election day approaches.

"If Congresswoman Gabbard doesn't show up for a debate -- and by not doing so, then I don't have an opportunity to speak. Or any other candidate," said Campagna. "It's not really about me."

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38627091/challenger-criticizing-gabbard-for-avoiding-debates/

Let's hope Gabbard will have to debate State Sen Kai Kahele in 2020 when he challenges her for District 2 Hawaii.

"State Sen. Kai Kahele plans to challenge U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard for her congressional seat, sources have confirmed. Gabbard just began her fourth term in Congress this month, making the timing of a challenge unusual. She isn’t up for re-election until 2020.

The challenge is a sign that Gabbard, who has enjoyed high popularity ratings since being elected to Congress in 2012, is showing signs of vulnerability.

"But Michael Golojuch, chairman of the LGBT caucus of the Hawaii Democratic Party said he wasn’t convinced that Gabbard had truly changed her personal views on homosexuality. “Her evolution doesn’t ring true,” he said.

Golojuch said he was glad to hear Kahele was challenging Gabbard.

“I think it would be amazing to have Kai in that seat,” he said.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/01/19/hawaii-news/sen-kai-kahele-challenges-tulsi-gabbard-for-her-seat/?HSA=bd6d499c27b0df3d8e80e24f6f035c9a540ee384&fbclid=IwAR36_laUWzmlvTOP7jlxKSsN_nHawPDupuEYPQI18lc9afxVuauDpAwRUW8

betsuni

(25,464 posts)

13. K&R

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:54 AM

Jan 2019

Voltaire2

(13,009 posts)

16. So now we support challenging democratic incumbents

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:50 AM

Jan 2019

in primaries?

I swear I read here that we should never do that.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)

18. I don't think her campaign is real

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:07 AM

Jan 2019

I believe that she is running so that she can attack everyone else. By running herself, she gets a platform to weaken the other candidates. I don't care how progressive she claims to be, she is a DINO.