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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome people fear impeachment will rip our country apart.
I say, Trump and the Republicans have already ripped our country apart. They have turned against the constitution, the rule of law and the American people.
We are at war, a war of beliefs and we better recognize how much danger we are in.
Trump and the Republicans are trying to force, by any means necessary, their proven wrong beliefs and ideology upon all of us. They refuse to recognize their beliefs, ideology do not work.
They want to make America white only. They want to force their religious beliefs upon all of us. They believe everything should be privatized. Anything government is wrong and should be destroyed. They only believe in the constitution and the rule of law when it works for them. When it doesn't they will break it.
They want to completely destroy the New Deal. They want to go back in time where everyone had to make it on their own. Only the strong should survive.
Not only do I believe we should impeach Trump, we must vote the Republicans out of power in 2020 and keep them out of power indefinitely until they realize they are wrong about almost everything. We most force them to change by keeping them out of power for as long as it takes. I see no other path that will cure their madness.
The American people did this to the Republicans back in 1930s. They did not win back the Whitehouse until twenty years later when Ike won.
When Ike won he continued the New Deal. The Republican party was forced to change. Google an Ike State of the Union speech. It sounds like a speech from a democrat.
edhopper
(33,554 posts)going after the Bushies and Wall Street in 08. We didn't and got the Tea Party for our restraint.
Impeach the Mother Fucker!
TheBlackAdder
(28,180 posts)edhopper
(33,554 posts)I just don't give a shit and don't think it is contingent on them.
mitch96
(13,885 posts)but god forbid if we impeach a right wing conservative.... How does that work??
Oh that's right. They have guns and we bring a hot dish... Time to change the narrative and actions..
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Pachamama
(16,886 posts)rampartc
(5,400 posts)are necessary to reunite the country, or at least attempt to restore a year 2000 status quo.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Otherwise known as Trumps Cult.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)So much emotion, so little intelligence.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)embolden them to do worse. Because, where's the bar?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)A focused, humorless, radical Christian terrorist.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)next election. With time running out and with Dems in control of the House, Pence would very limited in what he could do.
CCExile
(467 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)So right about the "humorless" description. Like the polar opposite of "like to have a beer with him/her"
Watching, he seemed soul-less too. Automaton like. Very odd.
Focused is a perfect description too. Single-Focused to a fault. Chris had to pretty much tell him to shut up a couple times. Like he literally didn't have the ability to absorb other information other than what he was thinking or saying.
The thought of him being president makes me gag. I can't imagine him ever actually winning a nomination let alone an election. So guess we'd have to weigh one to two more years of trump against one to two years of a different kind of Dipshit if trump was gone before 2020.
LakeArenal
(28,810 posts)Hes going too.
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)was not reelected the country would descend into anarchy. He was a Green Beret Army Captain at Fort Ord. Down the hall from were he worked Donald Segretti had an office. He offered my brother a job with CREEP. He didn't take it but was on Nixion's side until he resigned.
Many people I knew took one side or the other and terrible arguments were had. Like between us and tumphumppers.
FakeNoose
(32,613 posts)It was shown on national television for the first time in US history (I believe) and many of us watched it all. Nixon resigned to avoid certain impeachment and conviction.
Trump may eventually be impeached but we can't skip the steps to get to that point. The completion of the investigation, Congressional hearings, Mueller's report, the remaining indictments, the trials from those indictments - all need to happen first. Meanwhile it's a very real possibility that Trump could be voted out of office in 2020 and the need for impeachment will suddenly go away. But charges/indictments against him will still be pending and he'll no longer have "executive privilege" to fall back on.
Ponietz
(2,957 posts)I agree with you entirely.
rainin
(3,010 posts)Young people don't vote because they see both sides acting corruptly. Our leaders need to understand that young people still want to believe in the ideal of justice and equality. They are watching us and deciding if the system truly is rigged. We have the opportunity to inspire a new generation of voters if we hold these criminals accountable.
llmart
(15,536 posts)That ship has already sailed. Now the sane, intelligent people among us have to come together to take back our country and make sure the others go back under their rocks where they came from. Each of us has to do our part, no matter how small or great. We have already started, and the results gave us the House in the midterms.
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Fuck those idiots. The country is torn apart already.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This!
delisen
(6,042 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,961 posts)Impeachment seems the only way to communicate the message that criminal behavior is not acceptable. I do think, however, that impeachment has some risks for Democrats because the Senate is unlikely to remove Trump from office unless Muellers evidence proves something as serious as treason. Republicans will dismiss obstruction and even Trump campaign crimes if they do not directly implement Trump in ordering such crimes. If the House impeaches Trump, Republicans will simply run on a Democratic witch hunt in 2020. Thats why I hope Democrats pass House bills to improve healthcare, plan for infrastructure spending, permanent resolution for the DACA recipients, and updated border security including surveillance and other technology. Of course, the Senate will not also pass those laws, but they will be part of the record. Independents will be the key to winning in 2020, and Democrats need to make sure theyre addressing their concerns as well as those of Democratic voters.
Bettie
(16,083 posts)in the same way that excising a cancerous tumor from a body "rips" it apart.
Sometimes, you have to cut out the bad to let the good grow.
Maybe weeding the garden is a better analogy, get rid of the weeds in order to let the things we want to grow take root and grow stronger.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)pillaging and burning this country to the ground.
KPN
(15,641 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)They talked about a civil war if Hillary one and they still have the same hate. The right has become infected by a disease spread through years of channels like Fox News and people like Limburger.
Of course its a white vs the rest thing.
I would not be surprised if we find in later years that Fox News was another Russian Experiment and Murdoch was a English Russian Oligarch
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)No one has figured out how to combat. How do we get the ear of the low-info Fox/Rush/Facebook people.
Bill Maher proved it last night..by showing how Fox buried the fact that 4 Americans died in Syria. Hell, my Wingnut FIL told me that most Americans want a wall!
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)has already been done. The gop KNOWS this, and are alright with it. Their dream has always been to have a dumb ass in the WH, to do their bidding, while they hover in the background. McConnell is a disgrace. Greedy, treasonous jerk. Pelosi should start calling tRump "Donald" since he disrespects her daily by calling her by her first name, ignoring her title. The gop is responsible for the atrocious state this country is in. It only took Vlad 2 years to destroy the US. Not one shot had to be fired. Just put a dumb, blackmailed arse into the WH have the gop back him up.
raccoon
(31,106 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)JDC
(10,122 posts)Impeachment does not go far enough.
I want out of this abusive relationship.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bluepinky
(2,268 posts)They all need to be charged and held accountable for their high crimes. After they are found guilty, they should be deported back to Russia. Let Putin deal with them.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...was a great man.
I don't see any contemporary Republican that the term "great" comes even remotely close to describing.
RESIST!
LS_Editor
(893 posts)Impeach the motherfucker.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Then our country is already destroyed. Time for a new one.
zanana1
(6,106 posts)I didn't see crowds of people run amok. The Trumpers will protest loudly, but they'll get tired of it eventually.
mgardener
(1,814 posts)And he was not.
I always felt that the Republicans have had a sense of entitlement since that time.
They got away with Nixon, Iran "Contra" and Bush
I say NO MORE!
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)I wish there was a way to not accept shitgibbons resignation when it happens. A trial and removal would do wonders for this country. Resignation means they can get away with it.
TeddyBear 1
(79 posts)I agree country is already ripped apart.. especially these last several years.. Sorry.. but the truth hurts.. and I am talking about my personal hurt... seeing it even in some my family members living in the U.S. with stated opinions that mirror extreme trumpism... embarrassing and gosh I wish it would stop..
In my travels to other countries the last few years.. the U.S. has lost its genuine admiration and respect. I travel with my Canadian passport and let my once proud U.S. passport expire a few years ago... as there is no real advantage at all to keep it..
watoos
(7,142 posts)And the greedy Libertarians who dont give a shit about our democratic institutions.
Government was created to protect the little people destroying our government is the plan of the rich.
IronLionZion
(45,409 posts)dipshit should never have been in office at all, let alone this long.
Ike was the last president before Trump to have never been elected to any office before running for president. He also warned us about the military industrial complex and desegregated schools. There aren't many of those types of Republicans these days.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)onetexan
(13,033 posts)what we need to focus on is getting this crazy incompetent man out of the WH and get a Dem president we can be proud of elected. The country needs fixing up. RW nuts will always be there. What's important is we do whatever the heck we can to get the country back on the correct path, and keep it that way, out of the clutches of those who wish to do it harm.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)in2herbs
(2,945 posts)can/will affect trump's future nominations to the courts? Is there a way that nominations can be put on hold during the impeachment process? If so, impeachment is the best way to stop the rethugs from packing the courts.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Response to shockey80 (Original post)
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SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)a reason. Our framers of the constitution put them in there (and amendments too) for a reason. We must honor their memories and respect why they put this in these articles (impeachment process into the constitution, amendment).
Even as so many have said that impeachment won't go anywhere because the senate is landlocked w/ repugs, we'll have them on record as supporting this illegally elected crook as a so called president.
When the crap finally goes down w/ Mueller's report(s), as well as all of the other prior convictions and the numerous investigations already underway, and we are justified in pursuing the seeking of the truth, questions need to be asked of the other party why didn't they support this country in its time of need? Why didn't they rise above the fray and come to this country's rescue? Why didn't they take steps to bring us back to an even keel? Of course the answer is obvious in repug eyes, party before country, donors before the rest of us.
Nasruddin
(751 posts)The incompetence of this government as well as the system supporting it is plain to see.
This might 've been ok in the slow moving 18th century but it's very risky in the 21st.
Harker
(14,007 posts)who wring their hands calling for bipartisanship after losing a majority... republicans.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)treasonous criminality is exposed there will be no other option than impeachment, removal and out of office prosecution. Either we are a nation of laws, or we are not. As to the tearing apart of our country - we are already torn apart, and the healing can only begin after the cancer has been removed.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)I remember some where that really McTurtle can refuse to bring it up for trial? (not sure here)
ananda
(28,856 posts)Impeach and convict the mother(daughter)fucker!
Catch2.2
(629 posts)I hear people compare this to Bill Clinton's Impeachment. This is nothing like that! One lied the about an affair, the other is a traitor!!!
lindysalsagal
(20,643 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)are in for a rough ride, no matter which direction it goes.
The very premise of our country and our constitution was based on the idea that no one person is above the law. What about the unprecedented constitutional crisis if the LAW is not followed re: process to remove president for high crimes and/or misdemeanors???
You cant just let one person go free and say "oh well, whatever, its just too difficult."
Oh, and btw, the Trump cultists should welcome the inquiry as a way to resolve the matter one way or another. IF their guy was totally oblivious to what was going on, and proves to be innocent (big if, I know but bear with me) then how do Trump fans propose to establish this unless we go through the process to determine it?