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tblue37

(65,227 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:38 PM Jan 2019

That smug Kentucky teen harassing Nathan Phillips will become an iconic photograph of the Trump

era, as this one was of the Civil Rights era, and this boy might ultimately end up as shamed for the rest of his life as Hazel Bryan (the white girl) was, even as she regretted how she acted that day:


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That smug Kentucky teen harassing Nathan Phillips will become an iconic photograph of the Trump (Original Post) tblue37 Jan 2019 OP
He represents: Kentucky, March For Life, and Catholics RainCaster Jan 2019 #1
No, he represents MAGat pukes CountAllVotes Jan 2019 #2
Wrong. SunDrop23 Jan 2019 #14
Nope. He's a face of America. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #18
and Bin Laden represented Muslims texasleo Jan 2019 #26
It was MFL & CovCath chaperones in charge of those kids RainCaster Jan 2019 #29
The young lady who was yelling @ the African American woman is now one of her best friends Botany Jan 2019 #3
They tried to reconcile, but after a while (and some joint public appearances) that tblue37 Jan 2019 #4
+1. Bryan was never honest and wanted Eckford to normalize what happened dalton99a Jan 2019 #7
Here is an excerpt from an article about them: tblue37 Jan 2019 #6
Very revealing dalton99a Jan 2019 #10
Thank you for this. Nice "Oprah" moments don't always translate into reality. erronis Jan 2019 #19
There's no reason the victim has to star in Hazel's redemption tour MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #28
Like in 1957, the mother is defending him tooth and nail and saying 'fake news' dalton99a Jan 2019 #5
She is also claiming that Nathan Phillips was the aggressor, deliberately drumming right up tblue37 Jan 2019 #8
Yep. Racists - and bots - are pushing that meme hard dalton99a Jan 2019 #9
Yeah a frail old man and a vet to boot vs workinclasszero Jan 2019 #11
Excellent point dalton99a Jan 2019 #12
Its not just FOX news Separation Jan 2019 #35
Apparently the kid has some kind of physical impairment pazzyanne Jan 2019 #17
More like a genetic impairment. Being spawn of his trolling RW parents. erronis Jan 2019 #20
His teaching moment will be this photo following him around for the rest of his life. Vinca Jan 2019 #13
I hope he matures into a kind, respectful person Harker Jan 2019 #16
Agree. If my childhood actions were recorded for the world to see, I'd be --- erronis Jan 2019 #21
It seems to me that a lot of repellent behavior Harker Jan 2019 #27
I see your point. I didn't grow up with constant video, thank gods! nt erronis Jan 2019 #32
Nor did I. Harker Jan 2019 #33
Isn't "the mother" source an unnamed email? griloco Jan 2019 #23
Serves him right. Paladin Jan 2019 #15
K&R. Agree. I'm thinking that image of the kid..... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #24
I'd like to think that would have some effect on them. But I'm doubtful. Paladin Jan 2019 #30
Likewise, my hopeful viewpoints have been smashed many times.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #34
All those smug, leering & jeering little MAGAts in the background are just as bad. catbyte Jan 2019 #22
Roughly, and without consent. n/t Harker Jan 2019 #31
One of numerous others Stargleamer Jan 2019 #25

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
2. No, he represents MAGat pukes
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jan 2019

and every low-life thug that supports the Dicktator tRump! Why narrow it down and blame it all on one stupid idiot wearing a MAGAt hat? There are millions of them and no, they are not all Catholics! It is a sickness called racism that permeates AmeriKKKa today!



Botany

(70,449 posts)
3. The young lady who was yelling @ the African American woman is now one of her best friends
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jan 2019

30 years ago she saw that image and felt shamed by her actions and reached out to the African
American woman who accepted her apology and they are now good friends.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
4. They tried to reconcile, but after a while (and some joint public appearances) that
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jan 2019

effort petered out and became resentment.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
6. Here is an excerpt from an article about them:
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/10/elizabeth-eckford-and-hazel-bryan-what-happened-to-the-two-girls-in-the-most-famous-photo-of-the-civil-rights-era.html


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. . . Two years after they’d first met, the pair even appeared on Oprah. Winfrey hadn’t bothered hiding her incredulity, even disdain, that day: Of all people, these two were now friends? But as rude as both felt her to have been, she’d been on to something. The improbable relationship had already begun to unravel.

A student of, and stickler for, history, Elizabeth looked for—and, she thought, spotted—holes in Hazel’s story. How, for instance, could Hazel have undertaken something so cruel so casually, then remembered so little about it afterward? And why, after all these years, did she absolve her parents from any blame? At their joint appearances, Elizabeth could treat Hazel impatiently, peremptorily. Meantime, others in the Little Rock Nine either shunned Hazel or complained of her presence at various commemorations.

But resentment came as well from whites, particularly whites who’d attended Central, particularly those from better families, who’d thought that, even by always looking the other way, they’d done absolutely nothing wrong during those dark days and, truth be told, considered Hazel and her ilk “white trash.” Forty years earlier she’d given them all a black eye; now, she was back, more conspicuous, and embarrassing, than ever. At a reunion she foolishly, or naively, attended, she felt their cold shoulder, and could hear their snickers. None of them had ever apologized for anything they’d done or not done, and, as far as Hazel could tell, they’d been none the worse for their silence.

Ultimately, it grew too much for Hazel. She cut off ties with Elizabeth—for her, Sept. 11, 2011, marked another anniversary: 10 years had passed since they’d last spoken—and stopped making public appearances with her. Her interviews with me—granted only with great reluctance—will, she says, be her last. When I asked the two women to pose together one last time (Elizabeth turned 70 last Tuesday; Hazel will in January) Elizabeth agreed; Hazel would not. Hazel was poised to vote for Obama in 2008; after all, even her own mother did. But so deep was her hurt that she found some excuse not to.

So the famous photograph of 1957 takes on additional meaning: the continuing chasm between the races and the great difficulty, even among people of good will, to pull off real racial reconciliation. But shuttling back and forth between them, I could see that for all their harsh words—over the past decade, they’ve only dug in their heels—they still missed one another. Each, I noticed, teared up at references to the other. Perhaps, when no one is looking—or taking any pictures—they’ll yet come together again. And if they can, maybe, so too, can we.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
19. Thank you for this. Nice "Oprah" moments don't always translate into reality.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jan 2019

So says the Old Wive's Tales, or Bro Grimms, or Aesop.

But nice sound/video bites.

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
28. There's no reason the victim has to star in Hazel's redemption tour
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jan 2019

If she can forgive her, fine. She doesn’t owe her lifetime friendship.

dalton99a

(81,406 posts)
5. Like in 1957, the mother is defending him tooth and nail and saying 'fake news'
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jan 2019

so there may not be a teaching moment

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
8. She is also claiming that Nathan Phillips was the aggressor, deliberately drumming right up
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jan 2019

in her delicate son's face!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. Yeah a frail old man and a vet to boot vs
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jan 2019

A smug 18 year old? Redhat MF with a gang of thugs behind him.

Funny how fast the reich wing GOP/Fox turn with hate and lies against veterans and and senior citizens that aren't lily white.

The silence from VFW and other Vet groups about this assault against one of our own is telling!

Separation

(1,975 posts)
35. Its not just FOX news
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jan 2019

American history is full of stories of heroic POC veterans returning from war only to be sidelined and worse. This cycle of racism will not die out until the last parent dies off. These kids learn it from home, and sometimes don't even realize it. From hearing fathers say, "Ill kill my daughter if she ever married a black guy or Mexican. Even if the father was joking, this is still institutionalized racism. Treating another human differently only because the color of his skin.

pazzyanne

(6,544 posts)
17. Apparently the kid has some kind of physical impairment
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jan 2019

that did not allow him to move out of the way of the man trying to leave his ceremonial blessing area. Bone spurs maybe?

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
13. His teaching moment will be this photo following him around for the rest of his life.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

He'll have to do one hell of a turnaround to overcome it.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
21. Agree. If my childhood actions were recorded for the world to see, I'd be ---
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jan 2019

something. Not sure what, but maybe a better person.

Citizen recordings are having a huge impact on policing, unfortunately not enough.

State recordings are sometimes very useful for public safety, but are also used for crowd and individual control.

Harker

(13,988 posts)
27. It seems to me that a lot of repellent behavior
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:49 PM
Jan 2019

is undertaken expressly because it's being recorded. An astonishing number of people seem to think they've hit the big time when they appear in a video that's gone "viral."

"Joe the plumber" comes quickly to mind.

Harker

(13,988 posts)
33. Nor did I.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jan 2019

My high school had one computer in it, and maybe a dozen kids who knew how to use it.

The cultural differences between my wife's eighteen year old and us are profound. Seems he's either sleeping, eating, or fiddling with his phone. Hard to engage

.

griloco

(832 posts)
23. Isn't "the mother" source an unnamed email?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:39 PM
Jan 2019

Until the mother and kid are known I'm reluctant to quote the email.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
15. Serves him right.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jan 2019

Let his image stand as sick, living proof of the malignant depths to which trump and his knuckle-dragging supporters have taken this country. To hell with him and all the rest of them---we're the ones who are going to have to repair all the damage they've done.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
24. K&R. Agree. I'm thinking that image of the kid.....
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jan 2019

and his companions with Mr. Phillips should be published in black and white for effect.

That would remove any impact of right-winger's love for red hats and like that old civil rights photo, show the hate in better contrast.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
30. I'd like to think that would have some effect on them. But I'm doubtful.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jan 2019

My viewpoints on human nature have taken a real beating in the last couple of years. I don't want to have anything to do with any trump supporters, ever again.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
34. Likewise, my hopeful viewpoints have been smashed many times....
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jan 2019

in my 71 years. Every single time I get my hopes up about humanity's future, more knuckle-draggers with wads of cash appear out of their caves and deflate my hopes.

I feel that fundamentally, economic inequality is our biggest problem world-wide and it will dominate us at least until climate change takes charge of everything. Far too much power is held in the hands of a tiny group of people.

Because I fight depression and BP issues, like you I avoid confrontation with any right-wingers. I am grateful we have a few things like DU, music, art, animals and children to provide relief from all the adult human crazy.
.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
22. All those smug, leering & jeering little MAGAts in the background are just as bad.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jan 2019

The picture makes me sick to my stomach. And now yet another veteran and downright decent human being who's spent his life helping our community is being excoriated and made to be the bad guy because of lying, dishonest bigots and the bots who echo them.

We are fucked.

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