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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:09 PM Jan 2019

At Kirsten Gillibran's exploratory committee facebook page, it looks like 9 out of 10 comments are

in favor of All Franken.

I can't find the link but I got it as an ad on my i phone.


Where it asks do you stand with her the no button doesn't work.

I hope she gets the message

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At Kirsten Gillibran's exploratory committee facebook page, it looks like 9 out of 10 comments are (Original Post) wasupaloopa Jan 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #1
Just the facts. If it gets hid because I reported the facts so be it wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #3
Just because you're not happy with the result doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #6
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #11
Hmmm BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #20
I think that we are seeing misogyny rearing it's head again. Blue_true Jan 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #28
Sure looks that way. And the self righteousness which some are doing that to her enrages me. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #36
You can be on the forefront and also be in favor of giving the accused a fair investigation. BlueStater Jan 2019 #35
Yes the republicans on the ethics committee Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #44
I think Franken would have handled them quite well Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #49
Franken wouldn't have been in the room to handle them. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #57
And that's all he would have needed. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #61
No Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #98
But he was willing to go through the process, even though spooky3 Jan 2019 #82
Or maybe that's why he chose to resign Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #97
The evidence is pretty clear that he resigned only after multiple spooky3 Jan 2019 #102
Yes he did. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #104
You're moving the goalposts now. Yes, he probably agreed spooky3 Jan 2019 #117
I don't disagree with any of that. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #119
You people can go making up speculations for the next century DFW Jan 2019 #139
No one accused you of making stuff Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #140
No problem. I believe every one of his detractors who say they haven't. n/t DFW Jan 2019 #142
Touche Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #144
The ethics committee usually operates quietly. He would have done fine... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #123
No argument about Tweeden Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #126
I'm not going to argue this anymore. It's over. She did the wrong thing. There was NO EVIDENCE. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #127
And no evidence that 7 women were lying Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #130
Talk about moving the goal posts dansolo Jan 2019 #146
No not saying that at all. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #148
True that Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 #95
No doubt he would have Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #106
As fair as the investigation they gave Menendez, who actually was tried criminally for fraud. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #113
No Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #116
Oh...bummer. Gillibrand didn't insist on his ouster. I wonder why. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #118
Lots of maybes Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #120
Gillibrand was the face of the movement to oust Franken. She is proud of it. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #121
That is your impression Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #122
Nope. In interview, she was introduced as "the face of the ouster of Franken...." Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #124
Introduced by someone else Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #128
I'm not going to respond further to your attempts to excuse her wrongful actions against Franken. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #129
Over 30 Senators to call for Franken's resignation Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #131
Placed on ignore for hounding me repeatedly, saying the same thing over and over. Geez. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #132
You replied to me Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #134
Some on DU doesn't want to hear the fact that there many Senators calling on Franken to resign. Blue_true Jan 2019 #135
44 out of 49 said he should go, either in public or private, and four of the other five were legally Celerity Jan 2019 #164
Thanks Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #165
They were all Republican organized DFW Jan 2019 #141
Where is the evidence of that? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #143
+1 spooky3 Jan 2019 #80
Good luck with that. And btw, what's the opposite of misogyny... brush Jan 2019 #64
Whatever. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #67
+1 fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #103
This perception is precisely why Franken had no choice but to resign LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #112
He had to leave when Schumer joined Gillibrand, and she got others to jump on bandwagon. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #114
Don't try to play the misogynist card. MicaelS Jan 2019 #147
If she is as influential as you and others claim. Blue_true Jan 2019 #149
Why would we want a president who influences bad policy? vdogg Jan 2019 #152
Every one of the great Presidents had a lot of bad policy. Blue_true Jan 2019 #155
You do not stab your fellow Democratic Senator... MicaelS Jan 2019 #161
How did she stab Franken in the back? Blue_true Jan 2019 #163
I supported Hillary vdogg Jan 2019 #151
Did I say that everyone that oppose Gillibrand are? Blue_true Jan 2019 #154
McCarthy weilded the same type of "influence"; many of us don't desire that in a President LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #156
A President has to be convincing to be effective. Blue_true Jan 2019 #157
Yes, I am making that distinction. It's sad that you dont. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #158
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #7
Look it is going to be a long campaign season. Thousands of people are going to say what I did. wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #18
Well said Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #31
We shouldn't go after any Dem who pushed for his resignation & that list is long mastermind Jan 2019 #70
What if one democrat disparages another? nini Jan 2019 #37
Seems to be a good report Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #4
Look I get it...but let's move on...not worth the risk...we all know what happened some Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #89
The Kremlin carefully targets its messaging - for maximum effect jpak Jan 2019 #150
Alert it or quit whining! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #24
Franken +1000 aeromanKC Jan 2019 #5
Biden is the one....My opinioin is he is the best candidate, most experienced, most respected, and Stuart G Jan 2019 #8
One candidate who shouldn't be ignored is Sherrod Brown... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #10
I like him so much TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #13
Who ever takes Ohio.... safeinOhio Jan 2019 #87
And he has the va va voom that we need at the top of the ticket. It is a popularity contest... UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #21
I talked at length to a long time friend who is a republican. Stuart G Jan 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #32
Doubt she'll make the final cut... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #9
Actually, VPs don't do exceptionally well n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #15
There are several women who are far better choices for prez or veep dhol82 Jan 2019 #17
As someone who is objective on this matter I agree..I think the serious Harris would be a UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #23
Gets what message? That she should undo Franken's departure? Fascinating that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #14
"Fascinating that every time Gillibrand's name comes up, some one associates her with Franken." Scurrilous Jan 2019 #33
Pavlovian. I like. Straight to the point. Baggage she can't shake. brush Jan 2019 #66
Yep. I couldn't agree more. amuse bouche Jan 2019 #73
Sympathy for Gillibrand BootinUp Jan 2019 #81
She may get the message that there are a lot of bullies going to her website. SharonClark Jan 2019 #19
Well stated. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2019 #25
Thank you! +1000 nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #27
She exploited the circumstances to gain a perceived political advantage. njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #38
*Alleged* behavior. BlueStater Jan 2019 #40
Perceived by whom?? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #43
Gillibrand was one of the leaders of the attack. She asked for this when she made that decision. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #39
Over thirty Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #50
No person who called fro Sen Frankenstein to resign kelly1mm Jan 2019 #159
Then it is likely you will won't be voting for the Democratic candidate. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #160
Alas, that may be true .....nt kelly1mm Jan 2019 #162
They should be. nt doc03 Jan 2019 #30
Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Jan 2019 #34
She's lucky it isn't 10 out of 10. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #41
If you make a negative comment or 6 they will block you. StTimofEdenRoc Jan 2019 #71
Good to know. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #77
People say stuff there they otherwise wouldn't or even believe Kurt V. Jan 2019 #42
She probably understands that her leading against Franken will cost her a shot this cycle. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #45
"I hope she gets the message..." Scurrilous Jan 2019 #46
keep in mind.... getagrip_already Jan 2019 #47
She's about my eighth choice. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #48
Most of them aren't running for president. BlueStater Jan 2019 #52
Actually at least four others are DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #55
Well, yeah. I said most weren't running. BlueStater Jan 2019 #59
That's an interesting way of looking at it. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #63
Perception is extremely important in politics. BlueStater Jan 2019 #65
Female here. Not a zentrum Jan 2019 #51
Me too...Female Bettie Jan 2019 #62
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #53
She said she was "called to run for President" Frances Jan 2019 #54
The long arm of consequence. Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #56
It's an extremely short arm ... nobody else that called for his resignation SFnomad Jan 2019 #58
She WAS the first, she also said Clinton should have resigned over Monica. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #60
So what that she was the first ... if she wasn't, somebody else would have been SFnomad Jan 2019 #69
This is a different era. Clinton might not have survived. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #72
There is no doubt ... and soon as the blue dress materialized, it would have been over SFnomad Jan 2019 #75
Part of what saved Clinton was the unsavoriness of and unlikeability of his enemies. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #79
Yeah ... start out investigating a failed property deal ... and wind up obsessing over SFnomad Jan 2019 #90
Plenty of reasons to dislike her. At one point, NRA "A" rating. Defended big tobacco. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #76
What is her current NRA rating? Is she still defending big tobacco? n/t SFnomad Jan 2019 #85
So ignore any previous policy's and beliefs? Brilliant!!!! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #88
I see you don't want to answer my question ... typical n/t SFnomad Jan 2019 #91
I see you got nothing! Typical! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #92
Do people still hold President Obama's Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #101
I was going to say the same thing. I heard her on progressive satellite radio... brush Jan 2019 #74
She didn't just offer President Clinton up on a plate ... she was specifically asked SFnomad Jan 2019 #78
LOL, but she answered YES!!! She was not forced to answer! Wow. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #86
That's rather naive Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #100
It was a 20 year old issue. That is the excuse. No need to revisit. But she choose to. Hmmmm. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #136
Which would have been called a copout Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #137
Hurt her intelligence. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #138
What show? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #109
Sirius/FM satellite radio. The progressive channel 127. brush Jan 2019 #111
Ok Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #115
Sen. Franken didn't get the party support he deserved, I wish he would have stuck it out mastermind Jan 2019 #68
Just another place for that "post removed" person to post. rzemanfl Jan 2019 #83
When judging online comments this cycle remember that Russia is working hard to divide us, again TeamPooka Jan 2019 #84
Sometimes people just disagree! It's not always a conspiracy! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #93
There's not much disagreement. Doesn't look like she'll be the nominee. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #133
Once more time everyone Hangdog Slim Jan 2019 #94
You reap what you sow. Cattledog Jan 2019 #96
Meaningless... brooklynite Jan 2019 #99
She shouldn't pursue a nomination flamingdem Jan 2019 #105
Doesn't look that way to me. But I block idiots on facebook so YMMV there. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #107
She was a "Greed is Good" Corporate Lawyer for Big Tobacco bitterross Jan 2019 #108
The key word being 'was'. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #110
gotta link? aikoaiko Jan 2019 #125
I'd pay to see a debate between Franken and any "expert" here oasis Jan 2019 #145
The "No" button got pressed so many times it broke. lagomorph777 Jan 2019 #153

Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #2)

BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
6. Just because you're not happy with the result doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:20 PM
Jan 2019

It’s going to be a hard road for Kirsten. One should probably adjust their expectations and skin thickness accordingly.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #6)

BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
16. Hmmm
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jan 2019

You post in multiple Gillibrand threads upset people are criticizing her because you are a dispassionate observer. Doesn’t seem believable but hey, not really that big of a deal. She’s not going to be the nominee anyway.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #16)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. I think that we are seeing misogyny rearing it's head again.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jan 2019

A woman who has been on the forefront on sexual harassment and violence gets ripped to threads and accused of being THE driving force for Franken resigning (I still can't figure out why someone that make that claim don't realize that if she is that influential, she should be President). But a guy who well could have ignored aggressive sexual harassment as well as pay discrepancies get every excuse made for him as to why he was not on top of those problems.

Nothing to see here, it is just the typical stuff of some men grabbing for their gonads when a women that threaten their sense of manhood walks into the room. I am willing to bet that all the negative comments left on Gillibrand's site were written by men. If she makes her case as to why she should be President, I have no hesitancy in voting for her in the primary, and if she wins that, supporting her 100% from then on.

Response to Blue_true (Reply #26)

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
35. You can be on the forefront and also be in favor of giving the accused a fair investigation.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jan 2019

It actually HURTS the fight against sexual harassment when you call for men to lose their jobs for accusations that haven't been fully researched.

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
49. I think Franken would have handled them quite well
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jan 2019

given that he probably has about 20 IQ points on every one of them and they would be people in glass houses throwing stones.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
57. Franken wouldn't have been in the room to handle them.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jan 2019

He would have only been in the room during his own testimony. He wouldn’t have the rest of the time when the republicans would have made it a circus to humiliate Franken.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
98. No
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jan 2019

Franken doesn’t have super powers once he finished testifying, he’d be out of the room and powerless to defend himself.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
82. But he was willing to go through the process, even though
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jan 2019

He knew it would be stacked against him. To me that was a clear indication that he was not likely to have done things worthy of expulsion.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
97. Or maybe that's why he chose to resign
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jan 2019

because he knew he wasn’t going to get a fair hearing and was handing the GOP a propaganda victory so he took one for the team by resigning.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
102. The evidence is pretty clear that he resigned only after multiple
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jan 2019

Dem colleagues urged him to do so. Nt

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
117. You're moving the goalposts now. Yes, he probably agreed
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jan 2019

to “take one for the team”, but had he not been pressured by the team, he clearly indicated he was willing to go through the investigation process. That indicates to me that he believed he had not done something worthy of removal. And I wrote to my Senators when the first allegations were made that this sounded like Republican tricks. I suspect other Virginians did also, because while Warner and Kaine were not exactly profiles in courage, they were not at the forefront calling for Franken to leave.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
139. You people can go making up speculations for the next century
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jan 2019

I have already posted, and this comes from the man himself, what finally pushed Al to resign, and that was when the Governor of Minnesota appointed his successor before he had even reached a decision. THAT was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Sorry, no links and none of his cell phone numbers. If you want to go on making stuff up, be my guest.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
140. No one accused you of making stuff
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:55 PM
Jan 2019

when you claim to have spoken with Franken, so it would be nice if you returned the favor.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
123. The ethics committee usually operates quietly. He would have done fine...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:25 PM
Jan 2019

because the charges had no validity, that I could tell. Remember...no one had even spoken with any of the accusers. The two main ones...the first was a total bogus thing by a Republican (just show her video of her twerking a male on the same tour...she was actually rubbing her butt up against one of them; that was typical of entertainment tours like that...Franken's joke was minor; he didn't touch her, the photo just looked like he was), and the one about his putting his hand around the waist of someone who had asked for a pic with him, and he grabbed some flesh...oh, come on. That's just ridiculous to consider as harassment.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
127. I'm not going to argue this anymore. It's over. She did the wrong thing. There was NO EVIDENCE.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:42 PM
Jan 2019

You know what evidence is, I'm sure. Someone saying something on Fox or telling a reporter in passing, is NOT evidence.

Evidence is sworn testimony, in person or by affidavit. But they didn't even pick up the phone and CALL any of these women. They didn't even SPEAK with them.

In short, there was no evidence. I'm not going to respond any further to attempts to excuse the wrongful actions against Al Franken.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
130. And no evidence that 7 women were lying
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:45 PM
Jan 2019

But there is evidence that there were over 30 Senators who called for Franken to resign on the same morning.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
146. Talk about moving the goal posts
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 08:17 AM
Jan 2019

You are saying that a hearing wouldn't have helped Franken because the Republicans on the comittee would have said really bad things about him? That is utterly rediculous. The point of the investigation was ensure that all the facts were known, but apparently anonymous and biased accusations from partisan Republicans are sufficient for you.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
148. No not saying that at all.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:17 AM
Jan 2019

And an ethics committee hearing is not the same thing as an FBI investigation. Do you really think the republicans would have given Franken a fair hearing?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
106. No doubt he would have
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jan 2019

But that would have only been during his testimony, if the republicans had even allowed him to testify. During the testimony of others he would have not been in the room or allowed to cross examin.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
113. As fair as the investigation they gave Menendez, who actually was tried criminally for fraud.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jan 2019

The ethics investigation cleared him.

A longstanding Democratic Senator with some clout.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
116. No
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jan 2019

The Ethics committee issued a letter which severely admonished Menendez despite the fact that all the changes against him had been dropped.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
118. Oh...bummer. Gillibrand didn't insist on his ouster. I wonder why.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jan 2019

Since she's all keen on ethics and all...why not insist on ousting Menendez? Or Schumer? Maybe because he wasn't popular on a national level like Franken, and the public wasn't asking him to run for President, maybe? Maybe.

Franken would still be a Senator, if he had gone through an Ethics Investigation rather than the ouster that Gillibrand spearheaded.

It was the wrong thing to do, what they did to Franken. As a result, I doubt she'll be the nominee.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
120. Lots of maybes
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jan 2019

with no evidence to support any of them. And it was over 30 Senators who called on Franken to resign. As far as what would have been the outcome if the ethics committee hearings had happened, no one can say with any certainty.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
121. Gillibrand was the face of the movement to oust Franken. She is proud of it.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jan 2019

This was discussed in an interview.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
124. Nope. In interview, she was introduced as "the face of the ouster of Franken...."
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:29 PM
Jan 2019

and she was the first one to demand his resignation. (I think she was the second one, actually, but the interviewer introduced her as the first.) She proudly explains why, and still defends it...the right thing to do, etc.

What else can she say? Admit she was manipulated by the Republicans? That she's that naive? Or admit that she was very wrong in killing someone's political career without even checking out the accusations or the people making them? No,,,,that would kill HER career. Or admit that she put her own career aspirations above the career of someone else, without evidence to support her claims? She has no choice but to continue to defend her position. The result is that she won't be the nominee. Not gonna happen.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
128. Introduced by someone else
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jan 2019

And one of over 30 on the same morning.

I have no doubt she defends it, but proudly is your impression.

And there were 7 other women not just Tweeden. Were they all Republican plants?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
129. I'm not going to respond further to your attempts to excuse her wrongful actions against Franken.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 10:45 PM
Jan 2019

She's toast. There was no evidence at all. None.

She was the face of the bandwagon to oust Franken. She accepted that tag, when an interviewer introduced her as that.

She's toast.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
135. Some on DU doesn't want to hear the fact that there many Senators calling on Franken to resign.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jan 2019

Gillibrand was not even the first Senator to call on Franken to resign. But the unreal hatred of her continue. People are granting her amazing powers to tear her down, like she was the cause of Franken resigning, or that as a very young lawyer, she led the effort on behalf of a then major tobacco company that would not put it's fate in the hands of a greenie. Every decision that she has ever made is frozen in time, while one person that has made mistake after mistake gets a fresh start over and over.

Celerity

(42,663 posts)
164. 44 out of 49 said he should go, either in public or private, and four of the other five were legally
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:55 PM
Jan 2019

hampered from doing so, or I am fairly sure would have also said he needed to go. 48 out of 49 Democratic Senators gave him no support.

Joe Manchin was the lone voice of support.

Also, Gillibrand was far from alone in planning (for a week or two) to call for him to resign. I am pretty sure Schumer signed off on the women Senators who met so many times and decided to do this. If he had no clue then he is incredibly out of touch, and if they all still went against his wishes, he was not in power over his caucus.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211564417#post46

DFW

(54,055 posts)
141. They were all Republican organized
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jan 2019

See if you can name all seven, and when they decided to “come forward,” and at whose urging.

brush

(53,471 posts)
64. Good luck with that. And btw, what's the opposite of misogyny...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jan 2019

because your post smacks of it.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
112. This perception is precisely why Franken had no choice but to resign
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jan 2019

the accusations, however supported or unsupported they may have been, were out there, and anyone who spoke up is opposition to them was branded a misogynist (if not a rape apologist) and told to "shut up" and "stay in their lane".

No evidence needed, no investigation required; you're accused, you're gone, along with anyone who dares to utter a word in dissent.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
114. He had to leave when Schumer joined Gillibrand, and she got others to jump on bandwagon.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jan 2019

The Senators don't each act alone. They work in groups and on committees. They rely on the other Senators in their party. Without the support of most of the Senators, and particularly Schumer, Franken would not have been able to function properly in the job. So he did the only thing he could do, for Minnesota.

When Schumer joined the fray, that was the death knell.

They all fell for the Republican manipulation, IMO. What was disturbing was that altho Gillibrand said the accusations were credible, there was a difference of opinion on that, AND they did not even speak to one of the accusers. Not even one of them. They didn't ask questions. The accusers did not swear in affidavits or in person...so it wasn't testimony under oath (which is not evidence).

In other words, Gillibrand was all too eager to get rid of Franken, who had not long before started receiving calls from the public for HIM to run for President. Gillibrand, who was planning to run, ....well, I think she was all too eager to get rid of a potentially strong opponent in her bid for the nomination.

As a consequence, she made it all but certain that she will not be the nominee.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
147. Don't try to play the misogynist card.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jan 2019

She does NOT get a pass because she is a woman. She screwed up by leading, or nearly leading the charge to get rid of one of our best Senators. THAT is why she is a target. She knows now she fucked up big time, but is unwlling to back down and admit she was wrong.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
149. If she is as influential as you and others claim.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:36 PM
Jan 2019

Then why aren't you and others falling over yourselves to make her President. All great Presidents in the country's history have been the ones that convinced often skeptical populaces. You claim Gillibrand greatly influenced 30+ ambitious, independently minded people, well if what you claim is true, she has the one key ingredient that all great Presidents have had.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
152. Why would we want a president who influences bad policy?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 PM
Jan 2019

There are plenty of influential people who should have never been handed the reigns of power. She influenced many of her colleagues to go along with this guilty until proven innocent crap that caused Franken to resign. That’s not a quality I want in a president. That’s not the type of influence someone should have.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
155. Every one of the great Presidents had a lot of bad policy.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jan 2019

For example, if Lincoln had put George Henry Thomas in as the leader of Union forces and gave him the room to lead those forces, hundreds of thousands of lives might have been saved by the civil war ending quicker. Thomas was by far the best Union command officer, if you take time to read all historical accounts of command officers in that war, but Thomas was a southerner. Lincoln made compromises for political reasons that led to bad outcomes. But even with all of that Lincoln is arguably our best President (maybe a nudge past Washington, a man who also made significant mistakes, if you read historical accounts and don't go on recreations of the quality of his leadership).

So, I am perfectly fine with the idea of Gillibrand as President, she would have a capacity to make both mistakes and great policy, just like the greats through the country's history.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
161. You do not stab your fellow Democratic Senator...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jan 2019

In the fucking back. That is why.

What happened was a lemming moment.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
163. How did she stab Franken in the back?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:37 PM
Jan 2019

So Shumer, and many others are lemmings. How insightful, I would have never guessed that. 30+ Senators looked at information that was available and made up their own minds.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
154. Did I say that everyone that oppose Gillibrand are?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jan 2019

I do think a segment of her most virulent attackers are.

Since you spoke out, answer this question for my. One of the points that people that take your position keep harping on is that Gillibrand came out strong against Franken and that started an avalanche of illogic. Ok fine if you want to believe that.

But if you do hold on to that claim, you by default say that she is a powerful influencer. Why wouldn't she be a great choice for President given that you literally admit that she is a powerful influencer? Every single one of the great Presidents had very large faults, but each was able to convince a critical mass of people to do something they saw as important, even when it turned out wrong.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
156. McCarthy weilded the same type of "influence"; many of us don't desire that in a President
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jan 2019

And yes, you clearly did imply that criticizing Gillibrand is equivalent to misogyny, in my opinion.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
157. A President has to be convincing to be effective.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:13 AM
Jan 2019

You seem to not be distinguishing between good convincing and convincing that has evil at it's core. Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, FDR, LBJ were convinced that had mostly good ends in mind, even as they made massive mistakes that history showed to be wrong and even a bit unethical.

BTW, I just found out that "someone" and "some" meant "all", thanks for clearing that up for me.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
158. Yes, I am making that distinction. It's sad that you dont.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:32 AM
Jan 2019

As to your earlier post, you did say all:

I think that we are seeing misogyny rearing it's head again.

A woman who has been on the forefront on sexual harassment and violence gets ripped to threads and accused of being THE driving force for Franken resigning (I still can't figure out why someone that make that claim don't realize that if she is that influential, she should be President). But a guy who well could have ignored aggressive sexual harassment as well as pay discrepancies get every excuse made for him as to why he was not on top of those problems.

Nothing to see here, it is just the typical stuff of some men grabbing for their gonads when a women that threaten their sense of manhood walks into the room. I am willing to bet that all the negative comments left on Gillibrand's site were written by men. If she makes her case as to why she should be President, I have no hesitancy in voting for her in the primary, and if she wins that, supporting her 100% from then on.


I don't see any ambiguity in that statement. A lot of sexist bile, but no ambiguity.

Edited to add: And, you'd lose that bet; a quick look at her Facebook page would show you that many of the posters chastising her for her role in the Franken situation are women.

Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #3)

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
12. Look it is going to be a long campaign season. Thousands of people are going to say what I did.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jan 2019

In the United States we support our favorite candidate and oppose the others. It has been that way ever since the first elections. We like to call it democracy.

Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #12)

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
31. Well said
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

Let’s be clear, what happened to Franken sucks. If this happened at any other time Franken would have survived. Compared to people like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein, Franken was at worst a rude jerk.

However, the demonizing of Gillibrand is unfair. As is the willingness by some to disparage 7 women including an veteran as all liars without any evidence. It is like something out of the 1950s at times.

 

mastermind

(229 posts)
70. We shouldn't go after any Dem who pushed for his resignation & that list is long
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jan 2019

It doesn't do the party any good. If members don't wish to support a candidate and want to explain the reasons, fine, but lets not go after them in the same way we go after the fascists because they don't deserve it but the fascists do.

nini

(16,670 posts)
37. What if one democrat disparages another?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jan 2019


Can we not bring that up if it is one's belief that person is wrong? Who gets to decide which democrat is off limits?



Demsrule86

(68,351 posts)
89. Look I get it...but let's move on...not worth the risk...we all know what happened some
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:14 PM
Jan 2019

are ok some are not.

Response to USALiberal (Reply #22)

aeromanKC

(3,307 posts)
5. Franken +1000
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jan 2019

No worries though for Gillibrand 2020, she will be one of the first ones out. It will come down to Biden, Beto, Harris, and Warren. (and Klochubar moving up on my list!!)

Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
8. Biden is the one....My opinioin is he is the best candidate, most experienced, most respected, and
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jan 2019
he will win the election.
... The contrast to Trump is amazing. We must win to save this country. Biden has the best chance...and I will propose a VP...(although I do not think he can run.??) Barack Obama...if not Barack, then how about Michelle.?

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
10. One candidate who shouldn't be ignored is Sherrod Brown...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jan 2019

Think of him as a younger Biden, who’s been able to succeed with a progressive message in a state that seems to otherwise have turned straight red.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
21. And he has the va va voom that we need at the top of the ticket. It is a popularity contest...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

and there is a large segment of the stupid population who votes on who 'they like'...and that is it.

Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
29. I talked at length to a long time friend who is a republican.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:50 PM
Jan 2019

We almost never talk politics, but a few months ago, we talked about candidates for president. He said that he would easily vote for Biden because Biden is the "best candidate"

That is all I need to hear. Biden will win, and we need to win. Again,..."We need to win" If Trump is running or Pence or some other jerk, we need to win. Biden will win.
....I sure hope he is available to run and win.

Response to Stuart G (Reply #29)

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
9. Doubt she'll make the final cut...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jan 2019

...but I worry that she’ll be the natural V.P. pick, particularly if the nominee is male. Which would, of course, put her front-and-center as his successor, should he defeat Trump, or as the 2024 nominee otherwise.

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
17. There are several women who are far better choices for prez or veep
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jan 2019

Harris, Warren, Klobuchar. Any of them would be the better choice.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
23. As someone who is objective on this matter I agree..I think the serious Harris would be a
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jan 2019

great VP pick.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Gets what message? That she should undo Franken's departure? Fascinating that...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jan 2019

every time Gillibrand's name comes up, some one associates her with Franken.

This happened this morning when a discussion of 2020 came up and no one else had an such an absolute dealbreaker.

Gabbard, Biden, Harris, Bernie, Warren... All were worthy of discussion, but Gillibrand had Franken around her neck.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
33. "Fascinating that every time Gillibrand's name comes up, some one associates her with Franken."
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jan 2019

LOL

There was a thread a few days back concerning Gillibrand and one of the first replies was simply "al frenken" (sic).

It's almost become Pavlovian.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
73. Yep. I couldn't agree more.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jan 2019

Anyway, there are plenty of great dems. I won't waste one unnecessary minute on her.

She did it it to herself

SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
19. She may get the message that there are a lot of bullies going to her website.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jan 2019

There is really no explanation for the inordinate Franken-love and Gillibrand-hate on DU. You don't like that she was one of 38 Dems who asked him to resign but some Duers put almost the entire blame on her. She has been a leader against sexual harassment, I would expect her to do no less.

Franken's permature resignation, before the Ethics Committee issued a report, is on his head. Let me repeat that - his resignation is on his head. It was his action, not Gillibrand's. She is not responsible for his actions.

I loved Franken, as much as the next person, when he out-smarted repugs and I was very disappointed when he resigned. I wanted to know the truth and now we may never know because of his actions. Franken lovers should ask themselves why he resigned so quickly, why he didn't stand up for himself, why this very articulate and smart man could not respond to the allegations in a thoughtful way, and why so many of his supporters on DU have become such bullies.

I'm sad about Franken's behavior, we lost a good senator because of it. But I'm also sad about the gleeful Gillibrand-hate on DU. It is not becoming.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
25. Well stated.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 03:45 PM
Jan 2019

The hatred against here here is astounding. Someone in an earlier thread said the only reason she’s opposing Trump on everything is because that’s what NY wants. I mean hell, I’d be happy to have a Senator that listens to it’s constituency and acts accordingly. Somehow, that’s a bad thing because Gillibrand?

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
38. She exploited the circumstances to gain a perceived political advantage.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Jan 2019

But that doesn't excuse Franken's behavior.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
40. *Alleged* behavior.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:14 PM
Jan 2019

And since there was only the bare minimum of an investigation, that's all it'll ever be.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
50. Over thirty Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jan 2019

Over thirty Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation including some who are running for president. Why is only Gillibrand the target of their ire? I like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris better but it has nothing to do with Gillibrand's Franken stance. IMO she is being bullied.

kelly1mm

(4,719 posts)
159. No person who called fro Sen Frankenstein to resign
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:50 AM
Jan 2019

Will get my vote as they have demonstrated they lack the judgement to be President.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
45. She probably understands that her leading against Franken will cost her a shot this cycle.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jan 2019

Had the Cavanaugh nomination gone in the Democrats' favor, she'd be further towards rehabilitated among the donor class.

She's keeping the brand as strong as possible and taking her lumps. We'll see if the tide of resentment and spite about Franken recedes enough to give her a base to rebuild for 2024.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
46. "I hope she gets the message..."
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jan 2019

Possibly she did....

Gillibrand defends her statement before Franken's ouster: 'Enough was enough'

<snip>

"Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand defended her decision to call on former Sen. Al Franken to resign after allegations of unwanted touching and kissing were made against him, earning praise from a friendly audience of Iowans in Sioux City on Friday."

<snip>

"Gillibrand's comments were well received in the room, including by Bernie Scolaro, the 60-year old woman who asked the New York Democrat who is running for President the question.

"It was the only thing I keep reading about" regarding her, Scolaro said. "She believed what she said, and she spoke to the truth. She followed her conviction. I respect that."

<snip>

"The Franken saga, however, was not a primary concern for Iowans on Friday.

Marlene Sturdevant, the host of Friday night's gathering, said she really "liked" Franken but described Gillibrand's role in pushing him out as "so-so."

"It's just unfortunate," she said.

David Halaas, a 64-year-old man from Sioux City, said he didn't think Gillibrand's role in Franken's ouster would hurt the senator in Iowa.

"I think she spoke her mind and answered honestly," Halaas said. "She was speaking from her heart."

And Jim Jung, a 70-year-old from Sioux City, said he believed people "have forgotten about all that."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/gillibrand-franken-iowa/index.html

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
47. keep in mind....
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jan 2019

That this is EXACTLY the kind of issue that bots would seize on to exploit. They are looking for natural fractures to blow wide open.

I realize a lot of dems don't like her stance on franken, or clinton, (including me), but try not to get into a nuclear debate with people you don't know over it.

Disagree, sure, but keep it between the navigational beacons.

Lets not do their job for them. They are like the miserable little snits in school that were too cowardly to something, so they egged others on to do it instead.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
48. She's about my eighth choice.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 04:54 PM
Jan 2019

OTOH where is the ire for the thirty some Democratic senators who joined her in asking for Franken's resignation.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
52. Most of them aren't running for president.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:05 PM
Jan 2019

They also didn't use the scandal to shamelessly grandstand for the camera and try to score political points like Gillibrand. That's why she's catching more heat than all of the others.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
59. Well, yeah. I said most weren't running.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jan 2019

There's around 40-something Democratic senators and only a few of them are pursuing the presidency.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
63. That's an interesting way of looking at it.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

There are seven or so Democratic senators who are running for president or are seriously considering running for president:

Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Elizabeth Warren
Jeff Merkley
Kirsten Gillibrand
Amy Klobuchar
Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat but caucuses with them and will run as a Democrat in the primaries if he chooses to do so)


So only one out of seven Democrats running for president or considering running for president didn't call on Franken to resign and that senator is from his home state. A more accurate statement would be most Democratic senator called on Franken to reign including most of the Democratic senators running for president.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
65. Perception is extremely important in politics.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jan 2019

Gillibrand stood in front of all the network cameras, condemned Franken for allegations that were never properly investigated, and made herself look extremely opportunistic in the process. The others did not do this. If they had, they'd be catching the exact same level of flak as her.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
51. Female here. Not a
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jan 2019

....misogynist.

Mad as hell at Gillibrand and don't appreciate that she was a Tobacco industry defense attorney before turning to politics.

Hard to trust this person.

Will of course vote for her in the general, but will work hard to primary against her.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
62. Me too...Female
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jan 2019

and a lot of reasons, including Franken, that I won't choose Gillibrand in the primary.

Her principles seem to be based on what is convenient for her at any given time, I guess it depends on who is asking and what they can do for her.

Frances

(8,531 posts)
54. She said she was "called to run for President"
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jan 2019

in an interview I saw. Unfortunately, that reminded me of the kind of things some Republicans have said in the past.
I make it a habit to keep an open mind in the early days, but at his point, I think there are far better candidates.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
58. It's an extremely short arm ... nobody else that called for his resignation
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jan 2019

is suffering any "consequences" here. And the standard reply that she was the "first" is a steaming pile that doesn't pass the smell test.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
69. So what that she was the first ... if she wasn't, somebody else would have been
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

Or are you trying to tell me that the other 30 to 40 Democrats (and BS, the non-Democrat) that called on him to resign would have kept quiet? And that she is so powerful, that she and she alone got them to do this?

As to President Clinton, there are many Democrats that believed he should have resigned. I'm not one of them, but I can't fault someone for having that opinion.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
75. There is no doubt ... and soon as the blue dress materialized, it would have been over
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:59 PM
Jan 2019

The only reason I still give him a pass is because, if you believe what has been report, she was chasing him. There is no doubt he should have known better ... but she wasn't just an active, willing participant ... it sounds like she was the aggressor. Which, when it comes to Bill, probably need require much aggression.

That's why when Monica came out with her #MeToo moment, it was nauseating. She was diminishing people who really had been victims of harassment and assault.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
90. Yeah ... start out investigating a failed property deal ... and wind up obsessing over
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jan 2019

a consensual bj. And, those that were making the most out of it were in the midst of an extramarital affair themselves or at least had had one (or more) in the past.

I used to call him Slimy Newt back in the day.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
101. Do people still hold President Obama's
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:18 PM
Jan 2019

opposition to same sex marriage against him? No because he evolved on the issue and came out in the right place.

brush

(53,471 posts)
74. I was going to say the same thing. I heard her on progressive satellite radio...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jan 2019

when the repug hit job on Franken first surfaced. No one else was talking about it and her gullibility combined with her opportunism shown through as she proceeded to call for Al's resignation. And she didn't stop there, she called for Bill Clinton to retroactively resign because of the Lewinsky consensual affair.

I knew then her judgment was extremely questionable as there was absolutely no reason to drag Clinton into it, especially since the Clintons had helped her fill Hillary's vacated Senate seat.

And anyone with ambitions to run for president on the Dem ticket is kidding themselves if they think the Clinton's don't still have influence in the party.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
78. She didn't just offer President Clinton up on a plate ... she was specifically asked
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jan 2019

if he should have resigned. But I'm sure that doesn't make any difference. You want your pound of flesh and you're sure going to get it.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
137. Which would have been called a copout
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:37 PM
Jan 2019

The Clinton’s are out of politics so who did it really hurt.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
109. What show?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jan 2019

This is the only radio interview from that period that I could find:

Speaking to Susan Arbetter, host of "The Capitol Press Room" on WCNY Radio, Sen. Gillibrand was asked if she thinks Franken, who has been accused by six women of groping and other sexual misconduct, should resign from office.

"It's his decision," Gillibrand said. In the same interview, she elaborated by saying that "this is a watershed moment" for sexual harassment.

"What's so powerful about this moment in time is that survivors are willing to tell their story."

The catch here is that Sen. Gillibrand only wants heads to roll if the alleged perpetrators represent the other side of the aisle, or, in the case of the Clintons, when their grip on power has passed. Gillibrand hasn't been asked about Conyers because he's in the House, but with Franken, she whiffed on a golden opportunity for the Democrats, in general, to regain some credibility and moral high ground.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kirsten-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-gillibrand-cant-bring-herself-to-call-for-al-franken-to-resign


The record shows that Gillibrand didn't call for Franken to resign until the morning of December 6th, the same morning as over 30 other Senators did so. Franken announced his resignation the next day on the 7th.

As far as Bill Clinton, that was a completely separate interview:

Asked directly if she believed Mr. Clinton should have stepped down at the time, Ms. Gillibrand took a long pause and said, “Yes, I think that is the appropriate response.”

But she also appeared to signal that what is currently considered a fireable offense may have been more often overlooked during the Clinton era.

“Things have changed today, and I think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction,” Ms. Gillibrand said. “And I think in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about President Trump, and a very different conversation about allegations against him.”

https://nyti.ms/2hGKxYL


If there is a different radio interview that you are referring to, please post a link to it.
 

mastermind

(229 posts)
68. Sen. Franken didn't get the party support he deserved, I wish he would have stuck it out
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jan 2019

went through any investigations if there were to be any. It was a movement to prove to the world that we are better than the repugs and Sen Franken was the sacrificial lamb. In the end it was his choice to resign. I'm not going to go after any Dem who pushed for his resignation. It doesn't do the party any good. If members don't wish to support a candidate and want to explain the reasons, fine, but lets not go after them in the same way we go after the fascists because they don't deserve it but the fascists do.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
83. Just another place for that "post removed" person to post.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

Yawn. I will vote for her if she gets the nomination, but not before.

TeamPooka

(24,155 posts)
84. When judging online comments this cycle remember that Russia is working hard to divide us, again
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jan 2019

like they did in 2016.
Their use of online trolls in this way is unprecedented.

Hangdog Slim

(80 posts)
94. Once more time everyone
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jan 2019

Her first visit was to Wall Street! You can't expect her to hold Wall Street firms accountable if they fund her campaign.

brooklynite

(93,853 posts)
99. Meaningless...
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jan 2019

If memory serves, Bernie Sanders supporters regularly point to Facebook posts as a sign that their candidates was rolling to victory in 2016.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
108. She was a "Greed is Good" Corporate Lawyer for Big Tobacco
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jan 2019

Let's not forget she represented Philip Morris. If throwing Franken under the bus isn't enough representing Philip Morris should be.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
110. The key word being 'was'.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jan 2019

Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl in 64

Elizabeth Warren was a republican for decades.

And Trump was a Democrat until he decided to run for President.

People change and evolve so let's focus on the here and now.

oasis

(49,151 posts)
145. I'd pay to see a debate between Franken and any "expert" here
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jan 2019

who believes they know more than he does about this particular situation.

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