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Towlie

(5,318 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:13 PM Jan 2019

Buzzfeed Double-Down!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/media/buzzfeed-ben-smith-anthony-cormier/index.html

BuzzFeed says its sources are "standing behind" the bombshell report about the special counsel investigation.
"We're being told to stand our ground. Our reporting is going to be borne out to be accurate, and we're 100% behind it," investigative reporter Anthony Cormier told CNN's Brian Stelter on "Reliable Sources" Sunday.

This is truly a double-down in the blackjack sense, when you double your bet in return for one hit, and that's something a knowledgeable player does when the play offers a greater average return than not doubling down. We don't know how this will turn out, but Buzzfeed is placing a huge bet on a very daring play and this is going to be a very exciting thing to watch.
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Buzzfeed Double-Down! (Original Post) Towlie Jan 2019 OP
It's a huge bet PJMcK Jan 2019 #1
Can you briefly synopsize this news? Cracklin Charlie Jan 2019 #3
BuzzFeed reported that Mueller had evidence that Trump suborned perjury PJMcK Jan 2019 #4
Leopold seems to have quite a few lives in him. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #14
While I really want their allegations to be validated, procon Jan 2019 #2
I'm with you. cwydro Jan 2019 #10
It's easy to criticize anonymous sources, but they're really more credible than they might seem. Towlie Jan 2019 #17
The question I have with this is whether Trump's lawyers or associates, have fed this to Buzzfeed to OnDoutside Jan 2019 #5
Oh come now, I don't don't think they are fools. triron Jan 2019 #7
I'm not saying they are, but if they are presented with a story that Trump told Cohen to lie, and OnDoutside Jan 2019 #9
I still think it's possible Don Jr told Cohen to lie, that's what SCO says isn't accurate. CaptainTruth Jan 2019 #6
Damn, this is intriguing! triron Jan 2019 #8
Do we believe Jason Leopold or Mueller? Bonx Jan 2019 #11
They aren't mutually exclusive. Towlie Jan 2019 #12
Appears that way. triron Jan 2019 #13
Josh Marshall culls the wheat from the chaff DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #15
Makes sense. Great post. Trump is screwed so many ways. Pepsidog Jan 2019 #18
TBD. He could still wriggle out of the trap and get re-elected. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #24
True. Though I doubt he can take Pa. Mi and Wis again. Pepsidog Jan 2019 #25
As they say in Yiddish: maxsolomon Jan 2019 #26
Doubt he took them before. Will always believe they cheated. chimpymustgo Jan 2019 #30
I wish I would have said that. After 2000 Bush v Gore all the Pepsidog Jan 2019 #31
Listening to MSNBC just now they were on a discreditation attack triron Jan 2019 #16
Watergate era attacks on the messenger (WAPO) looked much the same. Ford_Prefect Jan 2019 #19
Sometimes I don't feel good about Carol Loennig. She almost labeled them "fake news". triron Jan 2019 #20
The reporters who were all scooped by Buzzfeed DeminPennswoods Jan 2019 #21
knr triron Jan 2019 #22
kick for visibility triron Jan 2019 #23
I wonder if it is something Mueller just doesn't want out right now. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #27
You say it's a double down bet matt819 Jan 2019 #28
I bet its true! Who knows what Mueller was up to, but time will tell. Joe941 Jan 2019 #29

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
4. BuzzFeed reported that Mueller had evidence that Trump suborned perjury
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jan 2019

They had two sources who claimed that Cohen will testify that Trump told him to lie in his Congressional testimony.

Mueller's office released a vague statement saying that the BuzzFeed report was not accurate but didn't clarify so it was unclear what it meant.

Now BuzzFeed is saying that they are standing by their story. If they're right, they'll be very successful. If they're wrong, they'll have lost all credibility.

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. While I really want their allegations to be validated,
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jan 2019

but I'm troubled that they have not expanded their story to provide additional details and sources to support their contention. I'm also skeptical that no other news agency has stepped forward to corroborate their reporting with independent information.

It could still happen, and I hope it does, so I'm just sitting back, uncommitted, with eyes wide open for now.

Towlie

(5,318 posts)
17. It's easy to criticize anonymous sources, but they're really more credible than they might seem.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jan 2019

News agencies wouldn't have such sources if they didn't agree to maintaining anonymity, so instead, an agency vets their source, using resources far more expansive and superior to anything we have, and then they stake their reputation on their confidence in that source. If an agency simply reported that a certain person told them something then that agency would be safe from criticism and the task would fall upon their readers/viewers to decide if the source was credible.

The greater the reputation of a news source, the greater the confidence you can have in the reports they relay from their anonymous sources, because even if you don't know who the anonymous source is you can be sure the agency knows and trusts them, and you trust the agency.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
5. The question I have with this is whether Trump's lawyers or associates, have fed this to Buzzfeed to
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jan 2019

see what might come out from the other side. Would Buzzfeed trade in this kiteflying ?

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
9. I'm not saying they are, but if they are presented with a story that Trump told Cohen to lie, and
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:28 PM
Jan 2019

Trump associates gave them enough to go on, why wouldn't they run with it ? We already know that Guiliani has pushed out stuff to get ahead of the story.

CaptainTruth

(6,576 posts)
6. I still think it's possible Don Jr told Cohen to lie, that's what SCO says isn't accurate.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:53 PM
Jan 2019

If it was Don Jr who directly told Cohen to lie then the SCO statement makes sense, & Ronan Farrow's statement, from his source, makes perfect sense. He stressed that Trump didn't "directly" tell Cohen to lie. Trump might have talked to Jr about it & then Jr directly told Cohen to lie.

Also, Mueller filings refer to "Individual 2" who was working on the Moscow deal. Could Individual 2 be the son of Individual 1?

Plus, there are references to supporting documents, like emails, & we know Trump doesn't use email, but Jr does.

triron

(21,984 posts)
8. Damn, this is intriguing!
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jan 2019

Could anonymous FBI agents be sending a red flag about what is going on with
the mueller investigation (hint: it's not Mueller's doing)?

Towlie

(5,318 posts)
12. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jan 2019

And I don't feel called upon to believe anything at this point, except that there's a lot riding upon how this unfolds.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
15. Josh Marshall culls the wheat from the chaff
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jan 2019

Again, whether and how he lied about it is legally interesting. But that’s the cover-up rather than the thing itself. That deal was with sanctioned individuals and sanctioned banks. Whether it was even legal to be entering into the negotiations is not clear to me. But certainly the post-2014 sanctions against Russia had to be lifted before the deal could be finalized. That is the central issue. It’s not simply that Trump had “business” with Russia and deceived the public about it during the campaign and after. It’s more specific and direct. Why was Trump so solicitous of Russia and Vladimir Putin during the campaign? Well, a lot of possible reasons. But a major and likely the major reason was because Putin was dangling a multi-hundreds of millions of dollars payday in front of him. That’s a big incentive, especially for Donald Trump.

To get that money, Trump had to court Putin and he’d eventually need to lift sanctions against him.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-hotel-deal-is-really-all-that-matters

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
24. TBD. He could still wriggle out of the trap and get re-elected.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

That's how little faith I have in my fellow Americans.

What's certain is that WE are screwed.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
31. I wish I would have said that. After 2000 Bush v Gore all the
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:14 PM
Jan 2019

polling models were looked at and redone. 16 years later the polls were again wrong. I don’t think so. Just like Rs stole the election in 2000 they did it again in 2016.

triron

(21,984 posts)
16. Listening to MSNBC just now they were on a discreditation attack
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jan 2019

of Buzzfeed it seemed to me. I turned it off.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
19. Watergate era attacks on the messenger (WAPO) looked much the same.
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jan 2019

The sharks are poised to bite at nearly any bait and they ARE being baited by those who trade on confusion rather than clarity. Lord Rupert is laughing at this one.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. You say it's a double down bet
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jan 2019

I wouldn't use that characterization.

A source, whether of a journalist or an intelligence service, gets ranked. Access, accuracy, verifiability, reliability over time, confirmations over time from other sources or from information released publicly. Mueller's office, for whatever reasons, threw Buzzfeed's reporting into question.

Buzzfeed says, hang on a minute, Mr. M, we're pretty confident. On Monday, Buzzfeed says, hey, Mr. M, we're darn confident.

At this point, it's no longer a bet, IMHO.

They have a source - probably multiple sources. They have determined that these sources have access to the information. The sources have been shown to be reliable, which means that information they provided previously has proven to be spot on, i.e., consistent, correct, high-level, etc., etc. Whether the source is in Mueller's office is unknown. I would guess probably not. But the information that Mueller has received on this issue was available from any number of sources (even if that number is very small). That's where the Buzzfeed information has to be coming from. That may require an awful lot of parsing in terms of both accuracy and protecting sources. That's par for the course for investigative journalists.

So, is it really a bet if the confidence level is sufficiently high. Unless Buzzfeed is fucking around in some way, I would say that it's not a bet, but a sure thing.

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