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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBuzzfeed Double-Down!
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/media/buzzfeed-ben-smith-anthony-cormier/index.html"We're being told to stand our ground. Our reporting is going to be borne out to be accurate, and we're 100% behind it," investigative reporter Anthony Cormier told CNN's Brian Stelter on "Reliable Sources" Sunday.
This is truly a double-down in the blackjack sense, when you double your bet in return for one hit, and that's something a knowledgeable player does when the play offers a greater average return than not doubling down. We don't know how this will turn out, but Buzzfeed is placing a huge bet on a very daring play and this is going to be a very exciting thing to watch.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)If they're proven wrong, BuzzFeed would be finished. Same for the reporters.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I am in a truck in south Texas. So hard to keep up.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)They had two sources who claimed that Cohen will testify that Trump told him to lie in his Congressional testimony.
Mueller's office released a vague statement saying that the BuzzFeed report was not accurate but didn't clarify so it was unclear what it meant.
Now BuzzFeed is saying that they are standing by their story. If they're right, they'll be very successful. If they're wrong, they'll have lost all credibility.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)but I'm troubled that they have not expanded their story to provide additional details and sources to support their contention. I'm also skeptical that no other news agency has stepped forward to corroborate their reporting with independent information.
It could still happen, and I hope it does, so I'm just sitting back, uncommitted, with eyes wide open for now.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Time will tell.
Towlie
(5,318 posts)News agencies wouldn't have such sources if they didn't agree to maintaining anonymity, so instead, an agency vets their source, using resources far more expansive and superior to anything we have, and then they stake their reputation on their confidence in that source. If an agency simply reported that a certain person told them something then that agency would be safe from criticism and the task would fall upon their readers/viewers to decide if the source was credible.
The greater the reputation of a news source, the greater the confidence you can have in the reports they relay from their anonymous sources, because even if you don't know who the anonymous source is you can be sure the agency knows and trusts them, and you trust the agency.
OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)see what might come out from the other side. Would Buzzfeed trade in this kiteflying ?
triron
(21,984 posts)OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)Trump associates gave them enough to go on, why wouldn't they run with it ? We already know that Guiliani has pushed out stuff to get ahead of the story.
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)If it was Don Jr who directly told Cohen to lie then the SCO statement makes sense, & Ronan Farrow's statement, from his source, makes perfect sense. He stressed that Trump didn't "directly" tell Cohen to lie. Trump might have talked to Jr about it & then Jr directly told Cohen to lie.
Also, Mueller filings refer to "Individual 2" who was working on the Moscow deal. Could Individual 2 be the son of Individual 1?
Plus, there are references to supporting documents, like emails, & we know Trump doesn't use email, but Jr does.
triron
(21,984 posts)Could anonymous FBI agents be sending a red flag about what is going on with
the mueller investigation (hint: it's not Mueller's doing)?
Bonx
(2,051 posts)Towlie
(5,318 posts)And I don't feel called upon to believe anything at this point, except that there's a lot riding upon how this unfolds.
triron
(21,984 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)Again, whether and how he lied about it is legally interesting. But thats the cover-up rather than the thing itself. That deal was with sanctioned individuals and sanctioned banks. Whether it was even legal to be entering into the negotiations is not clear to me. But certainly the post-2014 sanctions against Russia had to be lifted before the deal could be finalized. That is the central issue. Its not simply that Trump had business with Russia and deceived the public about it during the campaign and after. Its more specific and direct. Why was Trump so solicitous of Russia and Vladimir Putin during the campaign? Well, a lot of possible reasons. But a major and likely the major reason was because Putin was dangling a multi-hundreds of millions of dollars payday in front of him. Thats a big incentive, especially for Donald Trump.
To get that money, Trump had to court Putin and hed eventually need to lift sanctions against him.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-hotel-deal-is-really-all-that-matters
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)That's how little faith I have in my fellow Americans.
What's certain is that WE are screwed.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)polling models were looked at and redone. 16 years later the polls were again wrong. I dont think so. Just like Rs stole the election in 2000 they did it again in 2016.
triron
(21,984 posts)of Buzzfeed it seemed to me. I turned it off.
Ford_Prefect
(7,870 posts)The sharks are poised to bite at nearly any bait and they ARE being baited by those who trade on confusion rather than clarity. Lord Rupert is laughing at this one.
triron
(21,984 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)are probably feeling just a little jealous.
triron
(21,984 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)It may jeopardize his case.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I wouldn't use that characterization.
A source, whether of a journalist or an intelligence service, gets ranked. Access, accuracy, verifiability, reliability over time, confirmations over time from other sources or from information released publicly. Mueller's office, for whatever reasons, threw Buzzfeed's reporting into question.
Buzzfeed says, hang on a minute, Mr. M, we're pretty confident. On Monday, Buzzfeed says, hey, Mr. M, we're darn confident.
At this point, it's no longer a bet, IMHO.
They have a source - probably multiple sources. They have determined that these sources have access to the information. The sources have been shown to be reliable, which means that information they provided previously has proven to be spot on, i.e., consistent, correct, high-level, etc., etc. Whether the source is in Mueller's office is unknown. I would guess probably not. But the information that Mueller has received on this issue was available from any number of sources (even if that number is very small). That's where the Buzzfeed information has to be coming from. That may require an awful lot of parsing in terms of both accuracy and protecting sources. That's par for the course for investigative journalists.
So, is it really a bet if the confidence level is sufficiently high. Unless Buzzfeed is fucking around in some way, I would say that it's not a bet, but a sure thing.