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malaise

(268,959 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:43 PM Jan 2019

Three questions - If the acquisition of wealth is the only god for some in a society,

can loyalty to country endure?

How will society prevent another low life Con from seizing the Executive Branch?

What urgent reforms must take place to prevent this from happening again?

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Three questions - If the acquisition of wealth is the only god for some in a society, (Original Post) malaise Jan 2019 OP
The Citizens United ruling of SCOTUS brought all of this on FakeNoose Jan 2019 #1
No, it didn't shanny Jan 2019 #2
Money is speech and corporations are people. Overturn them both. allgood33 Jan 2019 #12
Yes. shanny Jan 2019 #14
Fairness Doctrine? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #3
Citizens United has to go and I agree re a Fairness Doctrine malaise Jan 2019 #4
Can loyalty to democracy endure ? To a free society ? eppur_se_muova Jan 2019 #5
Excellent post but how can societies encourage rationality malaise Jan 2019 #7
some obvious answers scarytomcat Jan 2019 #6
To further this conversation, I suggest OxQQme Jan 2019 #8
Good advice but it won't be enough for this mess malaise Jan 2019 #9
1st question: Too complex to answer here. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #10
I'm with you on a Constitution/civics test malaise Jan 2019 #11
This should be one of the main focus issues for one, if not all, of our wonderful candidates. allgood33 Jan 2019 #13
I get to write the test dumbcat Jan 2019 #15

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
1. The Citizens United ruling of SCOTUS brought all of this on
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:48 PM
Jan 2019

New laws must be written to shut off the spigot of Dark Money. Or get SCOTUS to revisit the ruling and somehow "fix" it. I don't have much hope of that happening. It's a huge mistake by our Supreme Court that changed everything in 2010.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
2. No, it didn't
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jan 2019

although it certainly didn't help. Huge mistakes have been happening for a while. The money-is-speech decision came in 1976.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
3. Fairness Doctrine?
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jan 2019

Truth has to find a way to break through the noise of propaganda, but I don't know how.

malaise

(268,959 posts)
4. Citizens United has to go and I agree re a Fairness Doctrine
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jan 2019

but when the corporate media stands to gain substantial 'super bowl like' profits from elections. how can their unwillingness to present fact based objective information be stopped when it's money they want.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
5. Can loyalty to democracy endure ? To a free society ?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:16 AM
Jan 2019

Whatever you think of patriotism in its various forms, these are questions which should concern us.

Personally, I think the big problem is the collective consequence of many individuals making the same decision, each for individual, but similar, reasons: Americans simply value money more than they value people. If value is reflected in respect and the granting of authority, then clearly individuals do not count for much in this country compared to wealth.

I don't think a "god" to worship is necessary to prevent this, but people need to recognize that selfishness-driven societies will always have worse living conditions for the majority, even when the prosperity of the 1% tries to mask that fact. We need to surrender not to any god, but to rationality, and the repeatedly confirmed experimental observation that societies which function for the collective good lead to more universal happiness than societies which function to indulge personal self-indulgence under the banner of individual "rights" to inflict collective harm.

malaise

(268,959 posts)
7. Excellent post but how can societies encourage rationality
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:06 AM
Jan 2019

while they continue to brainwash children with all sorts of irrational mumbo jumbo.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
6. some obvious answers
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jan 2019

fair elections where every vote is counted and everyone can vote
rise the highest marginal tax rate to over 70% and raise the inheritance tax
get money out of politics money is not speech our government should not be for sale

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
10. 1st question: Too complex to answer here.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:04 AM
Jan 2019

2nd question: I know this is probably controversial, but we should require all candidates to take a citizenship test, and /or a U.S. Constitution test to be eligible to run for office.

3rd question: Probably the best reform would be stringent campaign finance laws, get rid of Citizens United. We should publicly fund campaigns.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
13. This should be one of the main focus issues for one, if not all, of our wonderful candidates.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:33 AM
Jan 2019

Democrats untied, stronger together, for the people!

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
15. I get to write the test
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jan 2019

I'll put in all the things that are important to us.

Is everyone good with that?

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