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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Here's what I wish the Democrats would say to Trump:
Mr. President you can have your wall. You can get it the same way that President Obama got Obamacare; the way Lyndon Johnson got Medicare; the way Franklin Roosevelt got Social Security. In each case the president had a project he wanted enacted; so his administration crafted a bill. That bill went to Congress where committee hearings were held; amendments were proposed; studies were conducted that tested the cost, effectiveness etc. of the proposal; testimony was held in Congress; debate ensued and if the measure had enough support, a vote was taken and the measure was passed. That's how you legislate. It takes hard work, planning and the ability to actually negotiate. Your pet project doesn't get to leap frog over the pathway laid out by the Constitution and 250 years of precedent. You have chosen to skip over this entire process (even when you had majorities in both Houses) and have resorted instead to taking the American public hostage in exchange for your wall. You want a wall? Put down the gun you are holding to the head of the American people and get to work."
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leftieNanner
(15,062 posts)From what I understand, when the White House was asked for specifics, costs, etc. on the stupid wall, they had no answers.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)They will just make a grand show of building bullshit for their base. Read here the other day that the steel will come from a company in Canada that is Russian based. An Oligarch, donnie loves Oligarchs, will reap the profits.
Thanks, leftieNanner.
leftieNanner
(15,062 posts)What a huge surprise! A Russian oligarch profiting off of Donnie's wall. And Donnie will probably ask for a kick back.
Come on House Committees! Let's get those hearings started.
keithbvadu2
(36,655 posts)Kickback sounds so dishonest.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)get 30 ft. of wall. You really think that's all he'd want? And in the process, he'd skim off for himself, just like all his rotten deals.
forgotmylogin
(7,520 posts)If he wants to conduct business, it should be done when everything is open again.
pandr32
(11,553 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)I was at the women's march yesterday and part of our message was NO WALL!
Message was to Democrats - Do NOT give in.
Fund Planned Parenthood, not that stupid wall.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)how you look at it.
NO WAY.
Don't negotiate with racists. Get them out of office.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)It's just a shiny object of distraction while the damage is being done in many other areas.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)plus we have a Russian agent squatting in the WH. The American people are being treated like shit, we need to turn the tables again, let's kick ass. We did for the mid terms we can do it again..
Yes we can!
spanone
(135,791 posts)RainCaster
(10,832 posts)He's doing a damn fine job of it, and McTurtle is Putin's able accomplice.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Wreck havoc, misery and financially destroy all that is left of the dwindling middle class and his puppet joyfully complies as his strings are pulled. Vlad has the plan, take us down and come in and winner will take all. trump believes he is one of the winners, pretty sure Vlad has other plans. Useful puppets lose their usefulness.
has the goods on tRump and he could throw him under a bus... .or... ...
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)bdamomma
(63,799 posts)He should be as well. Sadly he is to stupid.
RainCaster
(10,832 posts)DFT thought he would become a leader if he was the pResident. Instead he is sucking the toes (or any other 4 letter noun you choose) of every foreign despot- Vladimir Putin, Kim Jung Un, DickFace Bin Salmon (or whatever his name is). Yeah, you get the picture. He is finding out that his "strength" has made him very weak in the eyes of the world. He will go down in history as the weakest, most influence-able autocrat that ever was. He is beholden to everyone, and is unable to craft his own policies, even if he was capable of imagining such things.
kairos12
(12,842 posts)Garland.
Hell to the NO!!
gademocrat7
(10,644 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)Those exact words.
FM123
(10,053 posts)Every. Single. Word.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)Work--and in particular, this kind of work--requires assets. skills, and tactics that Toddler 1 doesn't have: strategy, logistics, interpersonal communication, a reputation, credibility, patience, negotiation skills, and so on. He has nothing in his tool chest.
When he "goes to work," all he really does is put on a suit and play businessman. Real businessmen don't have safety nets of NYC real estate to bail them out of beginner-type mistakes.
Consequently, he has reached the age of 72 and the only thing he knows is how to hang on to the ball until everyone agrees to play the game his way.
We're in this situation because he is a low-ability person with no discernible talents or skills that serve anyone but himself.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)Or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
I like Rashuida Tlaid, yet think many of the responses should go through women like Sharice Davids, Deb Haaland and Jahana Hayes as well.
Kath2
(3,074 posts)No racist wall!!
czarjak
(11,253 posts)MLAA
(17,250 posts)oasis
(49,326 posts)and see her reaction.
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Pachamama
(16,884 posts)THIS.....
These exact words are EXACTLY what needs to be said....in the media, by every Representative and Senator, by every citizen.
akraven
(1,975 posts)LOL!
malaise
(268,693 posts)Great post
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)Hey Trump...Listen up!
We don't negotiate with hostage takers.
Open the government and THEN we'll talk.
Not one word until you release the 800,000 federal workers from your shutdown
Not
one
word.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)they are deliberately screwing people over in hopes they quit. And they are making it harder to recruit new people in the future. Especially in federal law enforcement, border patrol, Coast Guard, and other jobs that actually do something about illegal drug smuggling and human trafficking across our border.
northoftheborder
(7,569 posts)Brilliant advice for dotard! He has no understanding of this AT ALL, and prefers the Tyrant Method.
47of74
(18,470 posts)One starts with F.
The other ends with U.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)What we might need are walls in limited strategic areas. If he had a proposal for 5 or 6 (or 10 or 12, whatever the number) strategic areas that needed a wall, that could be part of the negotiations. But Democrats have to get some things in return - DACA, TPS, perhaps not just extensions but paths to permanent residence and citizenship .
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)he has no concept of how this process of passing legislation works
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Trump knows he can't get a wall through the legislative process; he couldn't even get it when Republicans had both houses. He's said many times he wanted a shutdown; I still say the wall is only an excuse. It gives him a feeling of power to have 800,000+ people suffer because of his actions.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)OT. Just reading your post and looked up at CNN...Christie: Trump has "Found Himself Saddled with Riffraff." Hey, NR, kick his ass!
As to your comment, yes he loves to hurt people...seems to make him feel like a big man. My wish, he suffers tenfold for what he inflicted on others.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)But I'd be happy to kick his ass!
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Beartracks
(12,797 posts)Today's Republicans are not interested in democracy. Only power.
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SWBTATTReg
(22,065 posts)with themselves, and say to themselves, what is this? We can't do anything!
If it involved paying bills off, forget it. Add to the deficit and let the democratic leaders in Congress fix it/pay it.
If it involved cutting taxes and services to tens of millions of people who need and use such services, republicans will scramble so fast to get it done that it'll make you dizzy!
Pathetic money grubbers.
calimary
(81,110 posts)You never fail.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)How are you? Hope all is well with you and yours.
Thank you~
The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)worstexever
(265 posts)Different Drummer
(7,603 posts)Trump had no experience in government prior to January 2017 and he doesn't seem inclined to learn. He would rather everyone just let him have his way. This is what you get when a large group of people get the misguided idea that "Government needs to be run more like a business." Elections do have consequences, and The Tantrum-Throwing Toddler was the consequence of voting with the "Government as a business" mindset.
msvsls
(1 post)Hello all,
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sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I hope you stick around. I went to your sight and would like to learn more as you move forward.