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"We aren't petting zoos" (Original Post) EffieBlack Jan 2019 OP
Amen. MontanaMama Jan 2019 #1
And people of color are really tired of having to organize and conduct all of the teaching moments EffieBlack Jan 2019 #2
I'm starting a new project, and we've HIRED people of color to consult and conduct UIR training maxsolomon Jan 2019 #25
That's great! EffieBlack Jan 2019 #30
Hope this spreads nationwide to all police departments. Oppaloopa Jan 2019 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author EffieBlack Jan 2019 #28
Or perhaps if they went to Bettie Jan 2019 #3
What about understanding women's rights? yardwork Jan 2019 #4
this. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #23
Not to mention that, that ship has sailed. Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #5
this! sheshe2 Jan 2019 #6
Tells it right there...nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #43
Thank you. Solly Mack Jan 2019 #7
Ms. Stevens has it exactly right. Thanks for posting. alwaysinasnit Jan 2019 #8
"We can't fix your fuckup." marble falls Jan 2019 #9
Ms. Stevens is 100% correct. Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #10
"We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It's in our national interest to flatt keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #11
Don't worry... czarjak Jan 2019 #12
Along with sister Ann Coulter Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #13
Yet another terrific cartoon! calimary Jan 2019 #50
They can go clean up our national parks or plant trees IronLionZion Jan 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jan 2019 #33
White society expecting minorities to teach white kids something is a problem IronLionZion Jan 2019 #36
Their teachable moment can come in the form of expulsions and rescinded college acceptances. Efilroft Sul Jan 2019 #15
Exactly right!! Duppers Jan 2019 #16
These asshole kids are too fucked up for this to work Gothmog Jan 2019 #17
Each of these tweets are profound in their own way oberliner Jan 2019 #18
Actually, only one of them is profound EffieBlack Jan 2019 #20
In your own, special little way, you are too. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #21
Exactly. When I was in high school, MineralMan Jan 2019 #19
Somehow it always seems to boil down to a insultingly insinuating level Enoki33 Jan 2019 #22
We're always supposed to do the teaching ... But ONLY in ways that maintain EffieBlack Jan 2019 #26
Exactly. It's always our fault because we dare to look different with a Enoki33 Jan 2019 #31
turn that around Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #24
Lol! EffieBlack Jan 2019 #27
I like it catrose Jan 2019 #37
Good One. Oppaloopa Jan 2019 #39
CORRECT. K&R WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #29
Great response! The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #32
Made my own comment to that post JHB Jan 2019 #34
This firsthand account refutes the MAGA teen's statement Gothmog Jan 2019 #35
My recommendations Fritz Walter Jan 2019 #40
++Someone suggested Mr. Phillips should sit down and have a soda with MAGAhat boy -a summit lunasun Jan 2019 #41
White people, please come get your boy ... EffieBlack Jan 2019 #44
One of the boys' mother already declared it all "fake news" BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #45
Good answer! Cha Jan 2019 #42
"Learning humility and kindness starts at home." ecstatic Jan 2019 #46
I guess I'll be the contraire LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #47
Nothing you say is wrong EffieBlack Jan 2019 #48
Understandable LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #53
Those young guys likely don't know much about American history. janx Jan 2019 #49
Smug MAGA cap people coming into their community for pretend community service... DesertRat Jan 2019 #51
This "Modest Proposal" is Just Another Version of Victim Blaming dlk Jan 2019 #52
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
2. And people of color are really tired of having to organize and conduct all of the teaching moments
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:54 PM
Jan 2019

We're not the problem.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
25. I'm starting a new project, and we've HIRED people of color to consult and conduct UIR training
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jan 2019

"undoing institutional racism".

a lot of it boils down to empathy and simple respect for others. learn to recognize your blind spots and privilege, and shut your fool mouth if you don't know WTF you're talking about.

it's incredibly threatening to white people. but hell, "whipipo" is incredibly threatening to white people ON DU.

Response to EffieBlack (Reply #2)

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
3. Or perhaps if they went to
Sun Jan 20, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jan 2019

some museums (also in DC) to learn rather than shout about how they don't want women to have control over their bodies, they could be better people....oh, wait, they'll still have the same horrible parents and priests, so probably not.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
4. What about understanding women's rights?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:01 AM
Jan 2019

Maybe the kids could go on a field trip to learn more about women's rights.

Wait.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
5. Not to mention that, that ship has sailed.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jan 2019

I went to a private college with a 2% minority attendance. After forty years I can say that there are some wonderful people out there, but the majority remain mum or chuckle when one of them spurts out racist comments.

But, that's my opinion and I've been told that I'm off the boat, so what do I know.

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
6. this!
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:32 AM
Jan 2019
We aren’t petting zoo’s. Ya’ll aren’t welcome. Learning humility and kindness starts at home. We can’t fix your fuck up.

keithbvadu2

(36,669 posts)
11. "We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It's in our national interest to flatt
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 AM
Jan 2019

Trump family diplomacy

http://www.newsweek.com/indian-diplomat-compares-ivanka-trump-half-wit-saudi-prince-650206

"We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It's in our national interest to flatter them.”

calimary

(81,125 posts)
50. Yet another terrific cartoon!
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jan 2019

I LOVE political cartoonists. Nobody cuts through crap like someone who can draw.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
14. They can go clean up our national parks or plant trees
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:07 AM
Jan 2019

plenty of garbage out there since the park service has been furloughed.

The families are obviously not teaching them humility and kindness at home.

Response to IronLionZion (Reply #14)

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
36. White society expecting minorities to teach white kids something is a problem
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jan 2019

The intentions seem good at first, but it is still expecting someone else to do the jobs that whites won't do.

Getting to know people from diverse backgrounds is a good and honorable goal, but dumping problem kids on someone else's neighborhood is not the way to do it.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
15. Their teachable moment can come in the form of expulsions and rescinded college acceptances.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:16 AM
Jan 2019

Though I doubt these kids and their families would learn anything thing from it.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
17. These asshole kids are too fucked up for this to work
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jan 2019

These kids are racists and are beyond any help

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
20. Actually, only one of them is profound
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:52 AM
Jan 2019

The other one is pretty shallow, which is why the response was necessary.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
19. Exactly. When I was in high school,
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jan 2019

the church I attended arranged a "mission trip" for teenagers to Tuba City, AZ, on a Navajo reservation. We all rode a bus there, and stayed for a few days. We painted a school building, which looked like it already had multiple coats of paint on it from previous such "mission trips."

A notable thing about that trip is that we never once saw a Native American. I was 16 years old, and that fact struck me hard. Why were we there at all? What was the point of that trip? We learned nothing about Navajo culture. We saw no Navajo people. Nobody came to speak to us about Navajo culture and its religious beliefs. We just painted a building that did not need painting. Then we went home.

I suppose some returned from that "mission," feeling like they had done something worthwhile. I returned, feeling like we had helped nobody, but that we were expected to feel some sort of "Christian" pride in doing something to help someone.

The truth was that the entire trip was conducted to make US feel good about ourselves - not to help others. It was one more step toward my atheism.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
22. Somehow it always seems to boil down to a insultingly insinuating level
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:46 PM
Jan 2019

that POC are somehow inherently different, and deserving of a tag that says we are worth less no matter how much we strive for human dignity and economic justice. Trying to turn us into a petting zoo will not help the children of a morally bankrupt family that accepts the public racist attacks on Elizabeth Warren as normal. Despite the odds we will struggle on with the help of good people.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
26. We're always supposed to do the teaching ... But ONLY in ways that maintain
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jan 2019

the comfort level of those being taught.

In other words, if they acknowledge at all that they have anything to learn, we are seky responsible for providing the lessons and we had better do it in a way that never suggests they bear any responsibility for their ignorance or they have any need or obligation to change - and by all means, never, ever make them uncomfortable in any way because then it's OUR fault that they don't come around ...

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
31. Exactly. It's always our fault because we dare to look different with a
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jan 2019

perceived separate culture and values based on their ignorance.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,259 posts)
24. turn that around
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

Organize projects to send "Native, Black, Latix, Disabled, LGBT, etc" caravans to Covington to study and help the poor, isolated Catholic High School students and parents. It's not their fault that they are underprivileged in the area of diversity. We should pet them and feed them and help them get over their fear of humanity.





Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
40. My recommendations
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jan 2019

1. Replace the administration at that high school. Immediately. There’s apparently been a pattern of bad behavior that’s been condoned or ignored by the people charged with molding young men’s minds. Those personnel need to explore new career options; waste management — as in tipping garbage cans into trucks — might be suitable.
2. Those students who participated in this disgraceful behavior — and their parents — should be given two options:
A. Expulsion. Immediately and irrevocably. Let them finish their academic career in the same public school system that they so vehemently have abhorred and avoided. Home-schooling ain’t likely to happen (given the families’ socio-economic bracket).
B. Revocation of any credits accrued since the beginning of the current school year; and conditionally allowed to remain enrolled in the 2019-20 year. They must not only repeat the year, but also spend the remaining semester in remedial courses. Theology, based on the actual New Testament, would be a good start. (The advantage for the school would be collecting an addition $10,000 of tuition, which should offset expenses associated with their long-overdue realignment with Xtian values).
3. Both of the above.

Yeah, I know: Not. Bloody. Likely.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
41. ++Someone suggested Mr. Phillips should sit down and have a soda with MAGAhat boy -a summit
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:58 PM
Jan 2019

I though to myself , wtf for ?

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
46. "Learning humility and kindness starts at home."
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jan 2019

A few years ago I visited Negril Jamaica. While there, we toured one of the last remaining slavery plantations. A few people in our tour group were very disrespectful--laughing, mocking, turning everything into a joke--even when sombre/horrific details were being disclosed. They didn't learn anything during that tour and there was no point in them even being there.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
47. I guess I'll be the contraire
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jan 2019

to say it might be a good thing for a lot of the boys.

Not the young MAGATs, but the ones we can still reach and change. These are still kids after all. The ones that only hear racial slurs from their peers, and go along to get along. Before they grow and get hardened in the same racist views. Yes its a sacrifice for the Native American reservation to host something like this, but if they were willing, and had the right speaker to get through in explaining things like respect for the land and water, among other things. See the first peoples in their own environment, amongst their cultural artifacts, proud, rather than their only exposure to native culture is seeing one of the lost ones drunk on a sidewalk. Hearing a spokesperson speaking to them with the respect they never showed to them. If it even helps one or two open their eyes and question their own racist beliefs perhaps instilled by their parents, wouldn't it be worth it?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
48. Nothing you say is wrong
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jan 2019

But look at it from our perspective. Why do WE have to do the work to educate your kids? Why can't enlightened white people do it?

We're tired of being white people's Magical Negroes.
httpss://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
53. Understandable
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jan 2019

It is an imposition, and a tribe would have to want to be involved, not forced obviously.

I also understand the 'magic negro" character, and not wanting to fall into that role......again. A construct to ease white guilt. Elevating one black or brown character to almost supernatural and mystical status in a feeble attempt to make up for all the disrespect and taking advantage of from white society everywhere else.

But cliches come from somewhere true usually. And Nathan Phillips embodied that mn in that tweet to some degree. Just him sitting and chanting calmly in the storm of swirling racism and anger was quite "magical" in a sense. He was the mature person, the elder that was leading the way, despite the young MAGATs actions. His behaviour will live on as the one that is most respected from that incident. And some will see that after the fact. Revealing how just sitting and chanting can be a powerful act in the right circumstances. These are things young boys, sadly, just don't learn anywhere else.





janx

(24,128 posts)
49. Those young guys likely don't know much about American history.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:16 PM
Jan 2019

That's what blows me away the most. What is their school teaching them about American history?

As far as seeing the first peoples in their own environment, I have to take issue with that, and I have written about it. Tourists and other well meaning people like to look at it that way, and it's very disrespectful, as if these Indians are in a petri dish and the tourists are there to somehow figure it out.

Their parents are no doubt ignorant of history, too.

dlk

(11,514 posts)
52. This "Modest Proposal" is Just Another Version of Victim Blaming
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jan 2019

It puts the responsibility for learning understanding and kindness on the shoulders of those being blamed and is another iteration of patriarchy. In reality, those with the power, in this case, the parents and teachers of these awful children, are responsible for teaching compassion and empathy. Unfortunately, too many of them are too lazy or too narcissistic, themselves.

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