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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow I almost always shut down an argument with Trumpers
Today it was shooting down the BS edited videos the right wing has put out to make the Native Americans look like they instigated things with the Catholic kids. There will almost always be some kind of pivot to "The liberal media this and that to make ass holes in red hats look bad."
I always go straight for the jugular by saying: "Did you speak up when Trump said some Nazis are fine people? Did you speak up when Trump called Mexicans criminals, rapists and drug dealers? Did you speak up when Trump hounded Obama for years about his birth certificate? Did you speak up when Trump bragged about grabbing women by the pussy? Did you speak up when Trump mocked Native Americans and made light of the slaughter at Wounded Knee? Because if you didn't your silence is helping to divide the country."
They of course ignore this and try to change the subject and I ask them again and again. They can't win in this situation because if they say they did speak up (which they never do) then they are admitting Trump is scum. By not saying they spoke up, they know this looks fucked up because who in their right mind would not think they should condemn Nazis? So it usually just takes me sticking to the point twice and then they give up and stop responding.
dweller
(23,562 posts)especially to condom nazis ...
ok I know you'll probably edit it, but it is a valid point !
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Quixote1818
(28,904 posts)dweller
(23,562 posts)😜
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)cstanleytech
(26,082 posts)SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)But they all basically just show the 4 ranting Black Hebrew Isrealites standing off to the side say crazy, racist, homophobic, sexists nonsense. Most of the "refutation" videos rely on clips from an over 90-minute cell phone video that appears to have been shot by one of the Black Isrealites himself, since he narrates it.
I guess the right wingers' point is that the boys were goaded into being horrible because these 4 nuts were horrible first.
But, again, the Black Isrealites did not make little Nick Sandmann get in Nathan Phillips' face, smirking, and refusing to let him pass. That was all on Nick:
keopeli
(3,461 posts)True Dough
(17,096 posts)And you're seeing some excellent suggested additions above. I guess the question is: do you have all day to recite Trump's repugnant behavior? Will you need a glass of water handy so your voice doesn't go dry while verbalizing the very lengthy list?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Such people can go fuck themselves.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)The Wizard
(12,482 posts)response to right wing propaganda is: Kindly furnish us with peer reviewed empirical data that supports your assertions. One of the Trumpinistas responded by saying "I'm not doing research for you liberals," thus proving my point. .
BSdetect
(8,989 posts)Watch them squirm.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Give them a little "A Clockwork Orange" action and get back to me. (That'll open their eyes.)