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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGood thread about Covington Catholic and the kid in the photo
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Squinch
(50,909 posts)then Nick Sandmann outs himself in his bullshit statement in which he lies through his teeth to justify his actions.
What Mr. Parsa did not understand when he wrote this very compassionate and thoughtful thread was that Nick Sandmann is proud of his actions. That was clear in Nick Sandmann's statement. He has no shame about what he did. The school, likewise, will not be changed by this incident. There will be some wrist slaps and time will pass and they will go on churning out racist, sexist (at least one to the point of rapist) entitled, ignorant MAGATS.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Squinch
(50,909 posts)answer it so far:
If you will not answer a simple question, there is no goodwill in your comments to me, so there is no reason for me to engage with you on them.
RVN VET71
(2,689 posts)Without the mouthy pseudo-Israelites, it's probable that the little snots wouldn't have become engaged as they did. Maybe -- possibly -- they would have just hung out until their buses came to take them back to McConnell-land.
Has anyone determined why these little jackasses were unchaperoned? Were there no adults in the room?
Of course what the kids did was wrong and awful, but they are out in the real world and have never been trained how to behave. Once the mob mentality kicked in, it was all over. To paraphrase Willie the Bard's Henry V: You may as well send precepts to the leviathan to come ashore as expect the unleashed emotions of unchaperoned, repressed, and privileged teenage boys to act like men when dealing with people who do not look like them.
The kids actions were deplorable, but they were lured into acting like assholes by the pseudo-Israelites who, I think, knew exactly what they were doing and delighted in it. The kids were a mob-manque waiting for a reason to fire up. The pseudo-Israelites simply lit the fire, stood back, and laughed their asses off at the howling-monkeys in the red hats. (And, yes, the fire image is deliberate here. Constitution guarantees free speech, but you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, right? Those mouthy men knew exactly what the result would be -- that's why they did it. And that kind of deliberately inflammatory speech, intended to incite a mob, is not protected speech.)
Squinch
(50,909 posts)The boys assaulted Mr. Phillips because 5 guys were standing across the street yelling mean things at them? It is the fault of the 5 assholes?
Don't bother answering. Your post says as much.
RVN VET71
(2,689 posts)Let me say it again: kids were douchebags. They were a horde of racist gunpowder. BI's lit the fuse and the kids went off. No they are not exculpated because of their youth. Yes, they are douchebags, were douchebags, will always be douchebags. But on that day, at that place and time, they may not have acted out as they did without the provocation of the BI's. Why the heck is that so hard for you to understand?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... group came on the scene and no dialouge began with them.
The taunts of the native group was thrown in with taunts of the BHI
This is in his own damn response !!!
That's part of the problem here,
The whites only school conflated the brown people and kept up the taunts or "school cheers" (yeah right) when it wasn't justified.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)A black guy robbed my cousin so this black guy walking on my street is threat ... A black woman we hired once didn't perform well, so I'm not going to hire this black woman for this job ... an undocumented Mexican immigrant murdered a woman so we must build a wall to keep all Mexicans out ...
These are only different versions of "5 black guys were mean to us so it's their fault we harrassed and mocked a Native American man."
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)What was the post?
RVN VET71
(2,689 posts)Any cites?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,680 posts)I call people that think like this, Marshmallows. People who have had a bad experience with a minority who then lose their shit when they see another. Marshmallows, because they're white and they brown out from the heat of their own anxiety.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)Didn't know there was a chargeable offense that had taken place.
Squinch
(50,909 posts)Yes, that's exactly what I did. Sorry!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I think you said Nick Sandmann.
Squinch
(50,909 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Not religiously affiliated. We were reminded regularly that our behavior in public reflected on the school. We were always to behave appropriately. These "kids" were a disgrace to their school in my opinion. They did not learn racism at school, it begins in the home in my opinion. Taught that they are "special" Future Kavanaughs, no doubt.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Lars39
(26,106 posts)They were brought to that event to be hooligans, to confront.
Horrible school.
yardwork
(61,536 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,131 posts)or around women in a school packed full of white males, with an all white teaching staff. Of course, if their parents weren't racists, they would probably seek out a more diverse school.
But I still want to know, WHERE WERE THE CHAPERONES? Why did they allow the MAGA hats?
yardwork
(61,536 posts)Think about that. Instead of removing the kids from the "scary" black men, this chaperone stood passively and filmed an escalating melee for over an hour.
modrepub
(3,491 posts)Would this incident been defused or at least been better documented if there was no shut down? Doesn't excuse what happened or the environment that appears to have produced these students. I suspect if there isn't massive transfers from the student body or calls from the alumni for change then they'll wait for the external outrage to die down (or the next Trump fiasco to take place) and go on their merry way.
lark
(23,059 posts)No wonder she likes drumpf, he's voided the regulations that held financial institutions in check so they are free to rape and pillage again. Thieves of a feather.....
Fla Dem
(23,578 posts)The school? Privileged white kids being indoctrinated at an early age to be bigoted, misogynist assholes. Same mold Brett Kavanaugh was made from.
yardwork
(61,536 posts)Fla Dem
(23,578 posts)SweepPicker
(266 posts)"What gets me are the Maga hats and shirts. Who bought them for the kids? Their parents?"
mjvpi
(1,387 posts)The big picture of what makes me so angry about this event is the "but Im a Christian" get out of jail free card. I am a godless heathen who sees beauty, insight and cominality in all religions. When religion helps people live and act consciously and gives them perspective and empathy, I will gladly walk softly through this world with religious people.
Hypocracracy fucking pisses me off. Period. That young man has much to learn about a conscious spiritual existence. And from the looks of things he isnt getting any real help at home or at school. May this be a learning moment for him.
When does my shared righteous indignation turn me into the very thing that I hate? May this be a learning moment for me.
c-rational
(2,587 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Botany
(70,444 posts)Little shits and their rally for life wearing MAGA hats.
Javaman
(62,500 posts)he's going to skate through life regardless of what happens to him now.
so fuck this racist little prick.
out the fucker and may him apologize to the Elders face. THEN do community work for many many many hours on a reservation.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Anon-C
(3,430 posts)...You are a journalist!!!!!!
HotRod Deluxe
(86 posts)That little arrogant racist shit (most likely poisoned by his parents) is probably jealous
of intelligent students like Emma Gonzalez's and David Hogg's popularity. Sorry twerp, wrong
avenue!
keithbvadu2
(36,644 posts)Under 18? Some articles said he was 18.
Good to know.