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Good thread about Covington Catholic and the kid in the photo (Original Post) steve2470 Jan 2019 OP
Poor guy. He goes to great lengths to tell why he will not give Nick Sandmann's name, and Squinch Jan 2019 #1
Correct. Racist MAGA kid is proud. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #2
What were the most egregious lies in the statement? oberliner Jan 2019 #3
Again, I will ask you this very simple question for the sixth time, though you have declined to Squinch Jan 2019 #4
2 cents plain: RVN VET71 Jan 2019 #19
So it is the responsibility of the 5 assholes who were standing 40 feet away shouting at them? Squinch Jan 2019 #22
Truly sorry you totally missed the point I made. RVN VET71 Jan 2019 #44
The intimation in his response that A justified B. The taunts didn't go away when the native uponit7771 Jan 2019 #6
This is the same mentality as EffieBlack Jan 2019 #12
+1, the chaperones SM post indicate MAGA KKKult leanings too uponit7771 Jan 2019 #14
I missed that. cwydro Jan 2019 #18
I missed it, too. RVN VET71 Jan 2019 #20
It was a DU post, I'll look further uponit7771 Jan 2019 #21
Racism leads to blind hysteria. Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #38
What is your concern? marble falls Jan 2019 #7
the white trash/rwnj racist part ? stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #11
Charges? MichMary Jan 2019 #16
What does this refer to? I made no mention of charges. Did you misread "changes?" Squinch Jan 2019 #24
Oooops! MichMary Jan 2019 #31
What did you say his name was? Nick Sandmann? defacto7 Jan 2019 #34
I believe HE said his name was Nick Sandmann. Squinch Jan 2019 #35
K&R, "It is not the worst school on the planet "...that should be at the top of the schools brochure uponit7771 Jan 2019 #5
I attended an all girls school. Scarsdale Jan 2019 #10
+1, CCHS looks to be a whites only school in practice (link) uponit7771 Jan 2019 #13
I think they were behaving as expected. Lars39 Jan 2019 #29
Exactly! They were brought to D.C. to be hooligans. yardwork Jan 2019 #39
But they will not learn how to behave respectfully around other races TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #30
One of the chaperones was filming the taunting for over an hour. yardwork Jan 2019 #40
Park Service Furloughed? modrepub Jan 2019 #8
So, his mom is a racist oligarch. lark Jan 2019 #9
What gets me are the Maga hats and shirts. Who bought them for the kids? Their parents? Fla Dem Jan 2019 #15
Apparently the school's store sells the MAGA hats. yardwork Jan 2019 #41
If that's true, that's just awful. Fla Dem Jan 2019 #43
This... SweepPicker Jan 2019 #42
Thanks. This made me think about my joining a "mob" of condemnation. This event pissed me off. mjvpi Jan 2019 #17
Thoughtful post - thanks. c-rational Jan 2019 #36
Just another Neidermeyer. rickyhall Jan 2019 #23
Top center of the picture is that an adult (chaperone??) wearing a MAGA hat? Botany Jan 2019 #25
I give zero fucks about this kid. he comes from a wealthy family... Javaman Jan 2019 #26
ABC world news was trying their best to defent the smirking cretin last night. nt elmac Jan 2019 #27
And CNN will not drone on about this context! Great reporting, Arlen Parsa... Anon-C Jan 2019 #28
Sorry Loser! HotRod Deluxe Jan 2019 #32
Under 18? Some articles said he was 18. keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #33
There are two different Americas... he is not in ours. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2019 #37

Squinch

(50,909 posts)
1. Poor guy. He goes to great lengths to tell why he will not give Nick Sandmann's name, and
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 08:53 AM
Jan 2019

then Nick Sandmann outs himself in his bullshit statement in which he lies through his teeth to justify his actions.

What Mr. Parsa did not understand when he wrote this very compassionate and thoughtful thread was that Nick Sandmann is proud of his actions. That was clear in Nick Sandmann's statement. He has no shame about what he did. The school, likewise, will not be changed by this incident. There will be some wrist slaps and time will pass and they will go on churning out racist, sexist (at least one to the point of rapist) entitled, ignorant MAGATS.

Squinch

(50,909 posts)
4. Again, I will ask you this very simple question for the sixth time, though you have declined to
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:13 AM
Jan 2019

answer it so far:

You seem to think the asinine rants by the 5 idiots who identify themselves as Black Israelites, rants that were fully protected under our Right to Free Speech, drove those 50 near-men to abuse Mr. Phillips. Is that your position?


If you will not answer a simple question, there is no goodwill in your comments to me, so there is no reason for me to engage with you on them.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
19. 2 cents plain:
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jan 2019

Without the mouthy pseudo-Israelites, it's probable that the little snots wouldn't have become engaged as they did. Maybe -- possibly -- they would have just hung out until their buses came to take them back to McConnell-land.

Has anyone determined why these little jackasses were unchaperoned? Were there no adults in the room?

Of course what the kids did was wrong and awful, but they are out in the real world and have never been trained how to behave. Once the mob mentality kicked in, it was all over. To paraphrase Willie the Bard's Henry V: You may as well send precepts to the leviathan to come ashore as expect the unleashed emotions of unchaperoned, repressed, and privileged teenage boys to act like men when dealing with people who do not look like them.

The kids actions were deplorable, but they were lured into acting like assholes by the pseudo-Israelites who, I think, knew exactly what they were doing and delighted in it. The kids were a mob-manque waiting for a reason to fire up. The pseudo-Israelites simply lit the fire, stood back, and laughed their asses off at the howling-monkeys in the red hats. (And, yes, the fire image is deliberate here. Constitution guarantees free speech, but you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, right? Those mouthy men knew exactly what the result would be -- that's why they did it. And that kind of deliberately inflammatory speech, intended to incite a mob, is not protected speech.)

Squinch

(50,909 posts)
22. So it is the responsibility of the 5 assholes who were standing 40 feet away shouting at them?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:55 AM
Jan 2019

The boys assaulted Mr. Phillips because 5 guys were standing across the street yelling mean things at them? It is the fault of the 5 assholes?

Don't bother answering. Your post says as much.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
44. Truly sorry you totally missed the point I made.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jan 2019

Let me say it again: kids were douchebags. They were a horde of racist gunpowder. BI's lit the fuse and the kids went off. No they are not exculpated because of their youth. Yes, they are douchebags, were douchebags, will always be douchebags. But on that day, at that place and time, they may not have acted out as they did without the provocation of the BI's. Why the heck is that so hard for you to understand?

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
6. The intimation in his response that A justified B. The taunts didn't go away when the native
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jan 2019

... group came on the scene and no dialouge began with them.

The taunts of the native group was thrown in with taunts of the BHI

This is in his own damn response !!!

That's part of the problem here,

The whites only school conflated the brown people and kept up the taunts or "school cheers" (yeah right) when it wasn't justified.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
12. This is the same mentality as
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jan 2019

A black guy robbed my cousin so this black guy walking on my street is threat ... A black woman we hired once didn't perform well, so I'm not going to hire this black woman for this job ... an undocumented Mexican immigrant murdered a woman so we must build a wall to keep all Mexicans out ...

These are only different versions of "5 black guys were mean to us so it's their fault we harrassed and mocked a Native American man."

Baitball Blogger

(46,680 posts)
38. Racism leads to blind hysteria.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

I call people that think like this, Marshmallows. People who have had a bad experience with a minority who then lose their shit when they see another. Marshmallows, because they're white and they brown out from the heat of their own anxiety.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. I attended an all girls school.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jan 2019

Not religiously affiliated. We were reminded regularly that our behavior in public reflected on the school. We were always to behave appropriately. These "kids" were a disgrace to their school in my opinion. They did not learn racism at school, it begins in the home in my opinion. Taught that they are "special" Future Kavanaughs, no doubt.

Lars39

(26,106 posts)
29. I think they were behaving as expected.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jan 2019

They were brought to that event to be hooligans, to confront.
Horrible school.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,131 posts)
30. But they will not learn how to behave respectfully around other races
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jan 2019

or around women in a school packed full of white males, with an all white teaching staff. Of course, if their parents weren't racists, they would probably seek out a more diverse school.

But I still want to know, WHERE WERE THE CHAPERONES? Why did they allow the MAGA hats?

yardwork

(61,536 posts)
40. One of the chaperones was filming the taunting for over an hour.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

Think about that. Instead of removing the kids from the "scary" black men, this chaperone stood passively and filmed an escalating melee for over an hour.

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
8. Park Service Furloughed?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:46 AM
Jan 2019

Would this incident been defused or at least been better documented if there was no shut down? Doesn't excuse what happened or the environment that appears to have produced these students. I suspect if there isn't massive transfers from the student body or calls from the alumni for change then they'll wait for the external outrage to die down (or the next Trump fiasco to take place) and go on their merry way.

lark

(23,059 posts)
9. So, his mom is a racist oligarch.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 09:50 AM
Jan 2019

No wonder she likes drumpf, he's voided the regulations that held financial institutions in check so they are free to rape and pillage again. Thieves of a feather.....

Fla Dem

(23,578 posts)
15. What gets me are the Maga hats and shirts. Who bought them for the kids? Their parents?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jan 2019

The school? Privileged white kids being indoctrinated at an early age to be bigoted, misogynist assholes. Same mold Brett Kavanaugh was made from.

mjvpi

(1,387 posts)
17. Thanks. This made me think about my joining a "mob" of condemnation. This event pissed me off.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:17 AM
Jan 2019

The big picture of what makes me so angry about this event is the "but I’m a Christian" get out of jail free card. I am a godless heathen who sees beauty, insight and cominality in all religions. When religion helps people live and act consciously and gives them perspective and empathy, I will gladly walk softly through this world with religious people.

Hypocracracy fucking pisses me off. Period. That young man has much to learn about a conscious spiritual existence. And from the looks of things he isn’t getting any real help at home or at school. May this be a learning moment for him.

When does my shared righteous indignation turn me into the very thing that I hate? May this be a learning moment for me.

Botany

(70,444 posts)
25. Top center of the picture is that an adult (chaperone??) wearing a MAGA hat?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:58 AM
Jan 2019

Little shits and their rally for life wearing MAGA hats.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
26. I give zero fucks about this kid. he comes from a wealthy family...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jan 2019

he's going to skate through life regardless of what happens to him now.

so fuck this racist little prick.

out the fucker and may him apologize to the Elders face. THEN do community work for many many many hours on a reservation.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
28. And CNN will not drone on about this context! Great reporting, Arlen Parsa...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jan 2019

...You are a journalist!!!!!!

HotRod Deluxe

(86 posts)
32. Sorry Loser!
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:17 AM
Jan 2019

That little arrogant racist shit (most likely poisoned by his parents) is probably jealous

of intelligent students like Emma Gonzalez's and David Hogg's popularity. Sorry twerp, wrong

avenue!

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