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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOMG this is perfect - The Onion nails the AOC phenomenon
https://politics.theonion.com/presumptuous-congressional-freshman-thinks-she-can-just-1831842239Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts).
These are not the same The Onion writers of the past, so I would not put stock in their motivations right now.
On that note, I like AOC and I think that she is a breath of fresh air, sorely needed in the party.
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hueymahl
(2,415 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts).
There was a major shakeup, when everyone jumped ship.
While they might write things that are OK, their goals and objectives should be met with scrutiny.
They might be co-opting The Original Onion and slowly change to another format or political objective.
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ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)but I think we can evaluate the quality of each piece of satire on its own merits - and any hidden agenda will become evident eventually. Or not.
TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts).
My point is that it's not the same thing now.
They tried to force the writers to write ad copy for all of Univision and branch away from satire.
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onenote
(42,383 posts)So when exactly did this jumping of ship and change in editorial content take place?
TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts).
I had a link from a bad website, adding this opne which shows that Univision might dump The Onion.
https://deadline.com/2018/08/univision-lawsuit-the-onion-purchase-financial-advisors-vince-sadusky-1202445561/#!
It's a mess over there.
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R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Corporate humor which you would think would be rejected by the very people smearing others with the evil corporate boogeyman tripe.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I don't get it either.
luvallpeeps
(934 posts)betsuni
(25,136 posts)I noticed The Onion joined the former-Gawker sites like Jezebel, but wasn't funny anymore. I don't even bother reading articles at any of those sites, just go straight to the comments. They seem to hire kids right out of college who are boring, not witty enough to pull off snark, don't bother to get facts right and don't proofread.
onenote
(42,383 posts)I certainly hadn't noticed.
In fact, there are regular posts here of Onion stories that some DUers find quite humorous. So to each their own, I guess.
betsuni
(25,136 posts)Somewhere along the line I noticed that the quality of content on the former Gawker sites I often read (Jezebel) had gone downhill but didn't know why, or maybe forgot that they'd been bought by Univision. A few weeks ago I saw a discussion about it in the comment section of a badly written Jezebel article, saying all the good writers had left, cheaper less experienced ones brought in who seemed unaware that most Jezebel readers weren't very young people obsessed with pop stars. That thread was deleted. And their political coverage, SplinterNews, often contains anti-Democratic misinformation that commenters have to correct, or something passive-aggressive like calling Kamala Harris' presidential run announcement a "remarkably bland statement." Guess it was last year that I saw The Onion was a part of the Gawker universe and seemed a shadow of its former self.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)malaise
(267,823 posts)off to the greatest page
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)dansolo
(5,376 posts)I'd be more than happy if she actually was drafting laws, instead of trying to be a media darling and getting into Twitter fights.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)when you get to the House, you can behave the way you feel is best. AOC is actually _messaging_, which is something Democrats do not do enough or well enough.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)calimary
(80,700 posts)Messaging!!!!!!!
Something the Dems DEFINITELY dont do enough, or well enough!
MESSAGING!!! Hopefully AOC can help fix that. And lead the way toward much more strategically savvy and effective, AND catchy, memorable communication.
Its not just what it is. Its how its PACKAGED.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)Our message is great, but it has to be packaged in catchy, pithy phrasing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)and vinegar, and I think she has great potential to motivate Dems.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,041 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...what she's accomplished - gotten elected.
But there have been 45-50 votes in the house since the session has opened. Only three Democrats have voted against their caucus in any of those votes.
Do you know who they are?
Left-over
(234 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)People want to get behind a cause. That's unfortunate, but oh so true. Trump's 'cause' is making America Great (White) again, and his biggest goal is a stupid wall.
We need to TALK about our cause, which is healthcare for all Americans and a Green New Deal. AOC is on message.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)sure she does some stuff most don't do well...but just like messaging has to be a PART of the equation, so does legislating and consensus building.
That doesn't mean you can't be a firebrand, but a firebrand is always limited in what they can accomplish. They get noticed, and they in fact can make progress but only if they find balance. It's way early, so nothing to say she won't find that balance, but right now, other than getting elected and being popular, accomplishments haven't come yet.
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)How many DAYS has she been in office? What inside information do you have as to how many laws she may be in the process of drafting, and how that rate compares to other congressional representatives?
And what about all of those Congressional Democrats who are courting media and making tweets to position themselves to run for president over two and a half years from now? Democrats CAN both walk (run) and chew gum at the same time.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)We need a dozen more Democrats just like her!
Texin
(2,585 posts)Back when the Tea Party was rising like a malignant red tide, these MAGAts (sic.) were replicating like shmoos and running their rabid mouths non-stop 24/7, did anybody in the rethug party tell any of these cretins to sit down and shut up? Yeah, maybe Bill Christol and a few other so-called rethug pundits, but they took over the party by 2012 and have held it in a death grip ever since. As bad as that has been for America and the Democrats since, the Dems have been timidly trying to be mellow and *moderate* and their words have fallen on deaf ears. The Dems are not going to defeat these MAGAts by sticking to a middle-of-the-road approach. They're going to have to sharply define and distinguish themselves from the opposition or they will be losing the battles and the country will cease to be a democracy. The AOCs of the party have been the most distinguishing difference from the run-of-the-mill politicians, and they're winning. I believe they'll keep on winning if they stick to these messages and fight those battles within their own party and out.
mjvpi
(1,384 posts)As an old pasty white guy who wants my government to look more like my country, Ill second tan.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)no pun
George II
(67,782 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)But the point I was making remains the same, whether Dems are out there courting media for a Presidential run almost two years in advance or almost three years in advance. I trust they will still handle their legislative responsibilities.
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)not her constituents.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Those are mutually exclusive, she did win running with the same ideals.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)That seems to be the new angle of attack...that she is somehow representing something other than her constituents. Have you heard any of them complain?
She seems to be consistent with the message that got her elected.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Which is what she is giving them.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)of House Democrats.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Victimhood frequently connotes a person's reaction to circumstances, and she behaves far from that of a victim.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Now that people are suddenly implying she isn't... You wanted to go off track just to be right, so congratulations.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)and I agreed. She is not a victim of House Democrats.
I only commented on thread because you implied she's not representing her constituents, but whatever...
George II
(67,782 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Again, where is this presumption coming from?
George II
(67,782 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Just none that aren't blind heresay...
George II
(67,782 posts)progressoid
(49,827 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...with all the redistricting over the years I can't say that I did or didn't live in that district. But I did live about a mile from the current district line. I know a number of people from there and people are not pleased with some of what they are seeing or hearing.
People are also not happy with the way the primaries were scheduled - many of the people I know (even from upstate) had no idea there was a primary in June - they were all pointing toward the September primary, when turnout was more than double the June turnout.
Is that "anecdotal"?
progressoid
(49,827 posts)/ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)who didn't vote for her in the first place. After all, she won the primary, so people complaining about the date wouldn't have voted for her. I don't imagine the Republicans in the District are pleased with her representation either.
melman
(7,681 posts)that if a person lived (vaguely) near a place a (very) long time ago, that makes them an authority on that place forever and always?
mgardener
(1,799 posts)Can do both.
Women are very good at multi tasking!
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Some of can multitask, bro.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)I can't fully put my finger on it, but I am wary of someone who becomes an instant celebrity. Maybe it's because when people fall in love with a political figure, they lose all objectivity.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)llmart
(15,501 posts)It's always uncomfortable when someone shakes up the status quo. This country needs the status quo to be shaken up.
theaocp
(4,223 posts)Show the world the time WASTED on making phone calls for dollar$ instead of legislating. Pull back the curtain, AOC. This local AOCP affiliate has your back.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)lose their ever-loving minds.. I can't wait either, sunlight is the ultimate disinfectant
TNNurse
(6,911 posts)IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)"recommended that the novice lawmaker quit rabble-rousing and get back to him when shes 75 and a millionaire."
Cairycat
(1,697 posts)This is my new Congresscritter, who is ten months older than AOC, has a very different style, but both she and AOC are real assets for the Dems in Congress.
https://finkenauer.house.gov/media/press-releases/finkenauer-small-businesses-bill-passes-house-first-legislation-passed-new
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)I wasn't aware of this bill, but now that I'm reading about it, I think this program will help us in Pennsylvania too.
Good stuff, and congratulations to Congresswoman Finkenauer!
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Im sorry, big shot, but thats just not the way things work around here, said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, explaining that the Florida representative needed to spend at least her first three terms memorizing obscure parliamentary procedures, sucking up to party leaders, and groveling to corporate donors"
If this is your opinion of how House Democrats operate - well what can I say... I cannot respond politely.
Here is an Onion piece that I found funny that lampoons Fox News' obsession with AOC, all without painting my party's leadership with the vile slander of the article you shared.
https://www.theonion.com/fox-news-debuts-premium-channel-for-24-hour-coverage-of-1831814505
Edited to fix link.
Thanks ProfessorPlum
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)I'm sure that no House Democrats, especially well known populist Steny Hoyer, ever do that.
George II
(67,782 posts)angrychair
(8,594 posts)That is hair-splitting. You are definitely smart enough to know it.
The very first event they took freshman members to was a luncheon sponsored by a small group of corporations. They cant contribute directly but they can contribute to PACs and SuperPACs and individuals from those corporations can contribute.
To be fair I like AOC but I am still forming an opinion. I think she deserves that. She did come in a little rough and tumble but she smoothed it out a little as she went. She has supported Pelosi from the beginning. Her goals are good and to be fair her proposals are not new to her or anybody else.
I think her pointing on a corporate-sponsored luncheon they were required to attend is what seemed to start all this. You can coach it however you want but there is little other way to interpret what that luncheon was meant to accomplish. It was clearly meant to give exclusive, behind closed doors, access to certain large corporate donors to incoming members of Congress.
Speaking for myself, Id like to see a lot less (none) of that and a lot more discussion on 70% marginal tax rates and healthcare and student loan debt relief.
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)that they seem to have become in your eyes?
When do the young good Democrats turn in to the evil Corporate tools? -2nd term? Third?
This satire plays into a bullshit narrative that pisses me off to no end, Steny Hoyer is NOT A CORRUPT POLITICIAN.
Painting him as one by building a false and intentionally demeaning contrast between him with a newly elected (Hard working! Honest!) House Rep. This is bashing our party's leadership, nothing more.
This article's whole purpose is to imply that most Democrats are anything but honest and hard working representatives to their districts.
So by all means baselessly insult Steny Hoyer - and by extension the rest of the Party leadership by posting "Satire" pieces that play up far right and far left wing caricatures of The Democratic Party.
Knock yourself out Professor
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)and you may not be aware of all of Hoyer's putting his thumb on primary races in favor of more corporate candidates.
But I re-emphasize my support of the Democratic party in general, especially where they are pushing for the will of the people and not corporations.
betsuni
(25,136 posts)and not corporations"? If there is corruption, we should know! I'm sure you can direct us to proof of your accusations.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)This point could've been made without bashing Democratic Party leadership in such fashion.
Imagine they used the name PELOSI instead of HOYER ...
NOW how much do the cheering throngs here LOVE this article?
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)That many people on this board became an unofficial defense team -
Nancy Bashing gets posted and her defenders came riding over the hill to fight the battle...
Steny Hoyer is just another long term Congressman, he is rarely mentioned and has no mobilized group of defenders, so it's safe to slime him
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)crushing populist Democrats in the primaries, for example.
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)Staying out of primaries sounds small-D democratic, very intellectual, and very interesting. But it was clear that it was our policy and our hope that, early on, try to come to an agreement on a candidate that we thought could win the general, and to give that candidate all the help we could give them. Steny Hoyer says obviously trying to influence the primaries the system and attempting to crush democracy in the pursuit of evil outcomes.
Which is completely different than
"All Americans know money in politics is a huge problem, but unfortunately the way that we fix it is by demanding that our incumbents give it up or by running fierce campaigns ourselves," Ocasio-Cortez says in pursuit of influencing primaries and kicking out incumbent Democrats in pursuit of fuzzy kittens and wiggly tailed little puppies.
Holy hell it's almost as if politicians do political things.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)politicians support some other politicians over others for different reasons, and they are free to do that, obviously.
you have to allow others to voice concerns over the business-to-human ratio in decision making though, and that that is a legitimate point of criticism, even for members of our own party.
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)It plays up a false narrative and paints the Democratic Party as the enemy. IMHO
BTW - Thanks for he tip on my link to the other Onion article. I fixed it.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)you can tell how anti-Democratic this piece is by how low the rec count for it is on Democratic Underground
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)So his fans could have an area where they didn't have to read the incessant attacks on him.
This board needed to put digital sawdust on its floor to absorb all the blood from the knife fight that raged here in 2016
The fact that this thread has a lot of recs here in DU doesn't persuade me that the Onion article is somehow pro Democratic party.
As you said in one of your responses that accused Rep. Hoyer of malfeasance...
Your mileage may vary.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'd also add ... seems like we're developing our own little Cult of Personality here ...
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)good Democratic messaging.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm totally cool with AOC.
Just don't like this piece from the Onion. Too Anti-Democratic Party/Leadership for me.
And I would HOPE it would be for most people here. But apparently not.
The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)Fake Steny Hoyer
This is good.
it was clear that it was our policy and our hope that, early on, try to come to an agreement on a candidate that we thought could win the general, and to give that candidate all the help we could give them
Actual Steny Hoyer
This is evil
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Sorry
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)I hope you can get your fingers safely out of your ears later.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)This particular satire also gives the impression that Dems are the only party that's 'this way'.
AFAIC, f-that.
Y'all feel free to enjoy it and chuckle, I just don't dig it. To each their own ...
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Thank you.
betsuni
(25,136 posts)betsuni
(25,136 posts)ejbr
(5,852 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)no surprise from Politico
George II
(67,782 posts)VWolf
(3,944 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)VWolf
(3,944 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)greatly amplified by the non-stop freak out about her on Faux.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)David__77
(23,220 posts)...
shanny
(6,709 posts)jalan48
(13,798 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...apologies to my home-state's rep in the leadership.
George II
(67,782 posts)....a PAC in Knoxville, Kentucky.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)Maybe she herself believes in the views she professes and sincerely seeks to bring about changes consistent with those beliefs. And those are the beliefs she campaigned on when seeking the votes of her future constituents. They knew full well who they were getting with AOC, or at the very least they should have. She made every effort to make her beliefs known to them in advance.
George II
(67,782 posts)When she registered to run for office, her address was in Knoxville, Tennessee, the SAME address as Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats.
Do you know where most of her campaign contributions came from?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)Have at it. From all I have seen residents of her district have no problem accepting her as a women with long deep ties to their district.
As to campaign fund origins, that is rich to post on a place like DU where members are consistently organizing to raise big money to support Democrats running in States and districts that few of us actually live in. People with strong political viewpoints raise money to support candidates with viewpoints that seem compatible to their own. That is the way it long has been. The key variable is the view point, right or wrong, good or bad? The views AOC professes are her own, and they have not changed since she ran for office and was elected by her district.
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R B Garr
(16,920 posts)link...
George II
(67,782 posts)...now has a Corona, Queens address, and the Bank or Depository is an Amalgamated Bank branch on 7th Avenue in New York, NY.
Brand New Congress, although now registered in South Carolina (they've had several addresses), their Bank or Depository is the same Amalgamated branch in New York City!
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...residency truther.
Pathetic.
George II
(67,782 posts)....if those facts happen to be inconvenient, that doesn't change the veracity of those facts.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...this doesn't look at all like Democratic advocacy, George.
George II
(67,782 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...spreading around this residency stuff here, particularly at this stage, is questionable.
And I'd argue that it portends to be disruptive with no apparent value, other than your own penchant for coming onto AOC-themed threads and using them as a platform for tripe like this.
George II
(67,782 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...pathetic.
The primary is over, but you're still using this forum to attack this Democrat, once again coming onto an unrelated thread and using it as a platform for tripe like this from the campaign.
Don't ever talk about anyone else attacking Democrats again. You've lost all credibility on that line.
George II
(67,782 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...a less than commendable trait.
It looks like truthing has a different meaning than I intended to convey, but you know I think this line of attack is full of shit.
murielm99
(30,657 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)next, they'll be accusations of some nefarious rooskie "connections"..
Autumn
(44,762 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)targeted an incumbent Democrat like Crowley and his residency, but any similar questioning of other candidates isnt considered Democratic advocacy.
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)or is this a one-way street of only random Democrats being lied about and sneered at.
edit, though neither is the correct answer for me.
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)Are Onion writers also reading DU?
hueymahl
(2,415 posts)Great stuff!
ananda
(28,783 posts)That was good!
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the Onion nails it again...
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Hoyer is a DU member.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Who is that AOC anyway? Does she think she can just waltz in here and start representing her constituents!
That's priceless.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)
Very well done!
Autumn
(44,762 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-media-781571/
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)thank you
Now we see: once a popular, media-savvy politician who doesnt owe rich donors starts asking such questions, the Potemkin justifications for these policies can tumble quickly.
There is a whole range of popular policy ideas the Washington political consensus has been beating back for decades with smoke and mirrors, from universal health care to legalized weed to free tuition to expanded Social Security to those higher taxes on the rich.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)The three most important paragraphs in the article.
malaise
(267,823 posts)mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)Kali
(54,990 posts)but then I LIKE satire and have a sense of humor.
stopbush
(24,378 posts)he never uttered nor would ever utter. Substitue Nancy Pelosi for Hoyer in this bs and tell me how it reads.
Perfect? RW trash is more like it.
George II
(67,782 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)I'm sure Representative Hoyer can survive such a vicious attack.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)ProfessorPlum
118. don't clutch your pearls too hard
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I'm sure Representative Hoyer can survive such a vicious attack.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)stopbush
(24,378 posts)we all realize this is parody, and that words are made up. To claim this parody is somehow perfect in identifying a political problem is dependent on characterizing a major D power broker - in this case Hoyer - as being a self-serving, craven political animal whose only concern is holding onto their own power and status at the expense of new members of the D Congressional caucus.
For parody to hit home, it needs to contain a kernel of truth that is illuminated by the parody. Thats not what is happening here.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)A poster upthread has provided information that the Onion was bought out and may have some questionable motives (post #72). It looks clear that this wasnt really a parody for the exact reasons you mentioned. I doubt many here would want AOC parodied so bizarrely.
hueymahl
(2,415 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)does he really deserve that? Or anyone in the Democratic leadership?
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Hoyer is just used as a representation of the politicians, tv personalities and armchair pundits who think these young whippersnappers need to learn their place.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)If you don't think that corporate money adversely harms the way we are governed, then you might think he doesn't.
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Hoyer is a prolific fundraiser for House Democrats. He has been the top giver to fellow party members in the House. That is why so many Dems love him: he helped put a lot of Dems in office.
I usually like the Onion. But this piece is so anti-Dem. It resurrects the bullshit "corporate Democrat" right wing tropes that were hurled at Hillary and helped get Trump elected. Not cool.
betsuni
(25,136 posts)I'm sure you have links to support it.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)revmclaren
(2,488 posts)Quixote1818
(28,904 posts)KayF
(1,345 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Loving it!
Apollyonus
(812 posts)It attacks all the experienced and seasoned democrats with a broad brush as though they are all "corporate", old and rich. It also suggests that looking after constituents' wishes is mutually exclusive with looking after the interests of the democratic party.
No congressman, freshman or old, can accomplish ANYTHING without building a consensus and one will never build a consensus by attacking your own party on twitter day-in-day-out.
We cannot blow up the party and expect a better result. That is a Republican dream -- to cause a civil war between democrats.
Threads like these may feel good with that "all hail the queen" type feeling but we MUST support our party first. Especially if one uses DCCC's resources, mailing lists and GOTV support.
This thread makes me sad ... as though the republicans are winning by dividing and conquering.
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Apollyonus
(812 posts)you are supporting some democrats over other democrats, none of whom are republicans or corporations.
Politicians supported by Justice Democrats are doing EXACTLY that by attacking long standing Democrats who have spent nearly lifetimes in fighting the battles.
It is akin to a rookie yelling from the bench in the last minute of a football game which is close to being won and telling hall-of-fame and pro-bowl players how to run the next four plays from the 5 yard line to score a touchdown.
(I apologize to rookies for this analogy. At least they have played college football before becoming NFL rookies and didn't appear on the team from a neighborhood bar.)
melman
(7,681 posts)Iggo
(47,489 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Oh brother.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)betsuni
(25,136 posts)I still don't understand how and why Democrats are supposedly beholden to corporate donors.
RandySF
(57,661 posts)I cant even offer constructive criticism of AOC as a U.S. Rep. without getting swarmed here or on social media and accused attacking a woman of color.
SixString
(1,057 posts)without being accused of misogyny.
Go figure.
betsuni
(25,136 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)progressoid
(49,827 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)Some chosen few cannot be criticized here on DU.