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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:03 AM Jan 2019

Lady Gaga Shreds Mike Pence: He's the 'Worst Representation' of What It 'Means to Be a Christian'

by Tamar Auber | Jan 20th, 2019, 9:36 pm




Lady Gaga did not hold back when talking about Vice President Mike Pence during a concert in Las Vegas on Saturday. The star was responding to the news that Pence’s wife, Karen, has taken a job at a Christian school that discriminates against LGBTQ families.

“And to Mike Pence who thinks that it’s OK that his wife works at a school that bans LGBTQ. You’re wrong,” she said to cheering crowds at Park MGM, according to the Las Vegas-Review Journal. “You’re the worst representation of what it means to be a Christian.”

She added: ”I am a Christian woman, and what I do know about Christianity is that we bear no prejudice and everybody is welcome. So you can take all that disgrace, Mr. Pence, and look yourself in the mirror and you’ll find it right there.”

Gaga also spoke up about the shutdown, asking the “fucking president of the United States” to put the government back and noting that there are people that “live paycheck to paycheck that need their money.”

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Lady Gaga Shreds Mike Pence: He's the 'Worst Representation' of What It 'Means to Be a Christian' (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2019 OP
Amen Iliyah Jan 2019 #1
K&R! 2naSalit Jan 2019 #2
"So you can take all that disgrace, Mr. Pence, and look yourself in the mirror and you'll find it UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #3
See, I don't agree with this argument... SidDithers Jan 2019 #4
Agreed but we can't settle that here. flying_wahini Jan 2019 #5
"Worst representation" refers to quality, Lars39 Jan 2019 #6
isn't it directly counter to what the bible says are the actual words of Christ? barbtries Jan 2019 #15
All I know is what I learned in 14 years of Catholic school. calimary Jan 2019 #19
me too barbtries Jan 2019 #21
Nonsense. You either follow the teachings of Jesus Christ or you don't onit2day Jan 2019 #17
His form are they types that pretend to speak in tongues to claim the Holy Spirit lives within them. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #18
"Mr. Pence, and look yourself in the mirror and you'll find it right there." MagickMuffin Jan 2019 #7
I'm not sure any of them would have a reflection in the mirror. pdsimdars Jan 2019 #8
Political Christian rather than a Christian of faith. keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #9
There are plenty of arguments about what being a "true Christian" means. Grammy23 Jan 2019 #10
You observations are spot on. Pepsidog Jan 2019 #11
Well said Grammy23. The level of "thought minutiae" applied to others NoMoreRepugs Jan 2019 #12
Kick dalton99a Jan 2019 #13
Lady Gaga says it short and sweet!! What a lady!! As to pence and wife, I thought that ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #14
Right message, wrong messenger rocktivity Jan 2019 #16
K&R ck4829 Jan 2019 #20
Well this the guy who became an evangelical Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #22
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #23
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
3. "So you can take all that disgrace, Mr. Pence, and look yourself in the mirror and you'll find it
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jan 2019

RIGHT THERE". Gold !!!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
4. See, I don't agree with this argument...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jan 2019

There's no objective standard of what a Christian is. Every interpretation of the Bible is a subjective interpretation.

Who's to say that the representation of Christianity from Pence and his ilk is less authentic than any other kind of Christianity?



Sid

Lars39

(26,093 posts)
6. "Worst representation" refers to quality,
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jan 2019

it’s not denying he is a Christian.
I’m quibbling, but actually agree with your statement.

barbtries

(28,704 posts)
15. isn't it directly counter to what the bible says are the actual words of Christ?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jan 2019

did he say hate your neighbor?
i'm an atheist but I always thought the golden rule was sort of the main takeaway from the man the religion is all about following.

calimary

(80,706 posts)
19. All I know is what I learned in 14 years of Catholic school.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

NO, according to Scripture, Jesus did not say “hate thy neighbor”. He turned the rich young man away with His “deal”: “go sell all you have, give the money to the poor, and then come follow Me.” And more. The Beatitudes, the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 25:35-45 - the one about “whatever you do to the least of these...”

That stuff. It’s just what we learned in Catholic school. Is what it is. And it certainly can be (and IS!) debated as to authorship and what we’re told is “Divine inspiration,” interpretation, the filtering, the unbending dominant male bias and worldview, stewardship, decision-making, policy-making, and more.

Btw, as time goes by, I’ve become a bigger and bigger fan of Lady Gaga. I keep finding more to like about her.

barbtries

(28,704 posts)
21. me too
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jan 2019

if you haven't seen the documentary yet i recommend it highly - it made me a fan.
it's on Netflix Lady Gaga 5 foot 2

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
17. Nonsense. You either follow the teachings of Jesus Christ or you don't
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jan 2019

And its founding principle is Love. If you see any love from Pence please point it out. All religions are cults in my mind but Pence is so far away from being spiritual that he's delusional about Christianity

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
18. His form are they types that pretend to speak in tongues to claim the Holy Spirit lives within them.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jan 2019

.

It's a few of the 20th century sham variants that profess two-stage Baptisms.

It wasn't enough that God was seen as an outsider, folks needed to invent a reason why God lives within them, and sanctions their very being. Now, you just have to pretend to speak in tongues, where at least one other can 'understand' what you are saying, and that proves the Spirit has chosen you. Why pray to an outsider when God can live inside you and be part of your actions? After all, doesn't everyone want and desire God within them, especially when there are bragging rights and peer pressure?


Here's how the scam works:

1) You are told that the Holy Spirit selects and lives permanently within you--if you are worthy.

2) The indication of this is an uncontrolled speaking of tongues, and validation of this by someone else.

3) Once you speak in tongues, you will always sit by the right side of Jesus as everything you do is sanctioned by God. You can do whatever, and you are always destined for Heaven, since all your actions are sanctioned by the Spirit.

4) Those in the church, who have not yet had this blessing must have something wrong with them. Though they are still members of the church, they have not received God's grace yet. There must be a reason why they have not been selected. This puts a lot of pressure on these people to speak in tongues, or what is known as glossia.


Here's a charlatan pretending to speak in tongues, who can 'speak' on demand:




Just look at how perverted this is, with children, (the 3:30 mark is one part of it):


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MagickMuffin

(15,895 posts)
7. "Mr. Pence, and look yourself in the mirror and you'll find it right there."
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jan 2019

However, I'm not certain he'll see a reflection and if he did he would not comprehend the meaning of it all.




keithbvadu2

(36,372 posts)
9. Political Christian rather than a Christian of faith.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jan 2019

Political Christian rather than a Christian of faith.

Grammy23

(5,808 posts)
10. There are plenty of arguments about what being a "true Christian" means.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jan 2019

And people have been arguing about it and even getting violent about it for a long, long time. The problem (to me) comes when someone or a group of them truly believe they have found the TRUTH. And they insist that everyone else should follow their truth or they are lost or even damned.

Mike Pence is a pompous ass about his truth. He is smug and self righteous in his firm conviction that he has found the ultimate truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. There is plenty written in his holy book that tells him acting and judging the way he does is wrong. But then he can probably find a verse or chapter somewhere in that same book that tells him he is right. That is the problem with his holy book. It is full of contradictions and inconsistencies so he picks and chooses which ones to believe and which ones to ignore. And he sees no problem with that. And there are millions just like him.

Lady Gaga has her platform and every right to call him out for his hateful, judgmental comments on others he believes are wrong or “sinful”. Maybe in her efforts to shine a light on his ugliness she will make someone else stop and rethink their position on the matter. Many of these Christians have been indoctrinated since infancy and have never had the nerve or a good reason to re-examine what they believe and WHY. I doubt she will put a dent in Pence’s concept of what being a true Christian is since there are so many ways to define it. But another person out there might hear her comments and re-examine their own heart and decide to redefine what being a Christian is all about. And it may have little or nothing to do with being judge and jury for the rest of the world and be more about getting your own act together.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,263 posts)
12. Well said Grammy23. The level of "thought minutiae" applied to others
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jan 2019

posts and opinions here on DU drives me crazy sometimes.

SWBTATTReg

(21,869 posts)
14. Lady Gaga says it short and sweet!! What a lady!! As to pence and wife, I thought that ...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jan 2019

in order to preach or pass along Jesus' teachings, that one must actually mingle w/ the sinners, whores, the thieves, the murderers, etc. The way that pence and wife are acting is totally opposite of what Jesus is advocating from what I have heard/seen from passages in the bible.

Too many times, when I have read stories on either of you two on TV, or seen you on TV, and it seems to me that both of you have your noses in the air, high and mighty, and thinking that you are better than others. I'm not making this up. Take it from a person who interprets one's body language solely to be able to 'hear' (I'm hard of hearing). I can tell simply by looking at both your mannerisms and behavior around others.

This is sickening and being condescending to others. Too many of your 'kind' exhibit this type of behavior and it is disgusting. Grow up, all of you have sin of pride.

There are plenty of others who believe in God I dare say as much as you claim you do, and who are totally the opposite of your behavior and mannerisms, and are very open to mingling with others, not judgmental of others, etc. It's a pleasure to deal w/ them.

rocktivity

(44,556 posts)
16. Right message, wrong messenger
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jan 2019

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the person who was hired to replace mega anti-Catholic Madonna?


rocktivity

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,132 posts)
22. Well this the guy who became an evangelical
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:59 PM
Jan 2019

because the Catholic church wasn't whack-a-doodle enough for him.

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