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I don't get the MAGA clown's excuse for harassing the Native American protester (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 OP
Look at that face. Brainstormy Jan 2019 #1
The world saw him pray dalton99a Jan 2019 #14
Look at the kid in the black sweatshirt behind him. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #28
Young RW loons learn quickly how to pretzel-twist justify BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #2
He denies harassing anyone oberliner Jan 2019 #3
I can deny being a human and confirm being a fish but that wouldn't mean I can live underwater. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #5
The harassment is the taunting of the NA drummer by the students, the falicy is the focus on uponit7771 Jan 2019 #6
I read the story twice. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #8
+1, Nothing ... they NA drummer walked toward the crowd of MAGA KKKultist and the boy stood in the uponit7771 Jan 2019 #13
So true... disgusting behavior!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #16
You just don't get it. It was a conspiracy by non-whites to MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #29
But as you know, because you've watched the hours-long video, he did. yardwork Jan 2019 #11
As an interesting sidenote - particularly to those who have taken sociology courses BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #19
Well, there's video. When people tell you not to believe your eyes ehrnst Jan 2019 #24
Right on cue. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #26
You spelled everything correctly. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #34
So everyone who watched that video... jcgoldie Jan 2019 #36
K&R, some here on DU are attempting to intimate A justifies B. uponit7771 Jan 2019 #4
Wearing a MAGA hat tells me all I need to know. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #7
Bingo!! It's all about white supremacy!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #18
..and 'tood. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #21
Actually had a few friends there mickswalkabout41 Jan 2019 #9
It's not supposed to make sense: DetlefK Jan 2019 #10
+1 2naSalit Jan 2019 #17
Here is the account by Nathan Phillips, the Native American. Arkansas Granny Jan 2019 #12
Native Americans are not real Americans, duh. krispos42 Jan 2019 #15
If you don't like that lie, BootinUp Jan 2019 #20
It's the school turning out haters Pantagruel Jan 2019 #22
The little MAGAt snowflakes were afraid of the 'scary' black guys who humiliated them. fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #23
Bingo!! MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #32
Like when a white person calls police because a black teen boy is ehrnst Jan 2019 #25
Sociopaths ALWAYS blame other people for their actions lunatica Jan 2019 #27
Yeah their excuse makes the situation worse imo. SweetieD Jan 2019 #30
It's like when the coward can't confront someone he perceives lunatica Jan 2019 #31
Bingo again! MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #33
This firsthand account refutes the MAGA teen's statement Gothmog Jan 2019 #35

Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
1. Look at that face.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:28 AM
Jan 2019

Doesn't look like someone trying to diffuse the situation to me. And the idea that he was actually "offering a silent prayer"? PULLEEEZE.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
14. The world saw him pray
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jan 2019
"I did not see anyone try to block his path."
"I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand."









uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
6. The harassment is the taunting of the NA drummer by the students, the falicy is the focus on
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jan 2019

... Sandmann instead of the chaperones inaction

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. I read the story twice.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jan 2019

What do the Black Israelite's action have to do with the MAGA kid getting in the Native American Elder's face?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. +1, Nothing ... they NA drummer walked toward the crowd of MAGA KKKultist and the boy stood in the
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jan 2019

...way of his path where the NA stopped and continued drumming.

The boys in the end began mocking and taunting the NA drummer and things got disgusting from there.

Some here and elsewhere are trying to conflate the NA drummer with the BHI idiots and claim A the BHI idiocy justifies the B CCHS students taunting the NA drummer and the Sandmann standing in his walking path.

The chaperones should've stepped in and diverted the boys attention and energy at minimum.

This was a very poor show of chaperoning best

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
29. You just don't get it. It was a conspiracy by non-whites to
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jan 2019

Ruin this kid’s life.

for those who need this

Not to mention the Muslims who weren’t even in aisle 5 that day.

yardwork

(61,598 posts)
11. But as you know, because you've watched the hours-long video, he did.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jan 2019

I saw it myself. Smirking, taunting, mock Indian dancing, blocking the drummer's path, yelling "build the wall", wearing MAGA hats.

Also, the entire school trip was to harass women by participating in parade against reproductive rights.

Quite a busy day filled with harassment.

BumRushDaShow

(128,880 posts)
19. As an interesting sidenote - particularly to those who have taken sociology courses
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:53 AM
Jan 2019

(and/or workshops and/or training) and are aware of this phenomenon of "proxemics", this graphic comes to mind -



There are decades worth of studies regarding what happens when others "invade" someone's "space" and the variations of the reaction that occurs that depend on age, sex/orientation, religion (or non-), race/ethnicity, and culture.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. Well, there's video. When people tell you not to believe your eyes
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

that's known as gaslighting.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
36. So everyone who watched that video...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jan 2019

...can see obvious harassment of an elder Native American... except of course for the right wing trumpers, who will say anything to defend these punks because they are white and wearing red hats... and well... you it seems.

mickswalkabout41

(145 posts)
9. Actually had a few friends there
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jan 2019

The kids were harassing a number of people, mostly people of color. They were told by bystanders to stop. The Native American drummer stood and began singing prayer songs when the mob turned towards him and the incident in the noe famous videos happened.
That’s eyewitnesses folks. Let Fox News spin it but that’s what they all saw

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. It's not supposed to make sense:
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jan 2019

When Trump rants on Twitter, he doesn't address us. He's shouting every random thought unfiltered into the universe and we happen to be there. Trump is not even trying to make sense, because he doesn't care whether we understand him or not.

The same with this guy.

He was supposed to give a comment and he gave a comment for giving a comment's sake. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.




Other example:
A company fucks up and issues a statement that has nothing to do whatsoever with the incident.

The parent company of the Machinima Youtube-channel has deleted 7 years worth of videogame-culture on Youtube. When the inevitable public outcry came, the company said that they love making videos. Not a single word that they deleted those videos or why they deleted those videos.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
12. Here is the account by Nathan Phillips, the Native American.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:44 AM
Jan 2019

Native American Activist Nathan Phillips Speaks Out After MAGA Hat Teens Harassed Him And Others
"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said.

https://blavity.com/native-american-activist-nathan-phillips-speaks-out-after-maga-hat-teens-harassed-him-and-others

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
15. Native Americans are not real Americans, duh.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:46 AM
Jan 2019

Real Americans™©® are people descended from Anglo-Germanic immigrants, I mean, pioneers, that crossed the ocean in a sailing ship after 1600 AD.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
22. It's the school turning out haters
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jan 2019

"The first thing you need to know about Covington Catholic High School is that it is an elite private boys school with an expensive tuition.

But the second thing you need to know is that it is as close to a "whites only" school as you can find in the 21st Century.
I talked to one former #CovingtonCatholic high school student who is of middle eastern descent.

He got bullied and called a "terrorist." It got so bad he had to transfer schools.

And he wasn't alone. Every year the school has only a minority students (in a school of 500).

#CovingtonCatholic's race problem is not limited to the almost all-white student body however.

Before the school hastily removed its teachers directory yesterday, I reviewed it.

Every. Single. Teacher. Is. White.

(at least of those 80 listed yesterday before they took it down)

I censored all the individual teachers email addresses. But here's an email address I won't be censoring.

This is the principal of #CovingtonCatholic, who has hired a teaching staff that is as far as I can tell, whites only. His school culture seems to be deeply racially toxic.

After video surfaced of #CovingtonCatholic kids apparently harassing a Native American elder, people were angry at the students (understandably).

The school was quick to issue a statement saying it might expel some students involved.

But that's not gonna fix their race problem.

I am sure the teachers at #CovingtonCatholic are hard working people and they don't deserve anyone's scorn per-say.

But the school itself needs to reckon with how an a nearly all-white atmosphere can lead to, at the very least, "blind spots" in these kids' racial awareness.
While we're at it, we also need to talk about gender at #CovingtonCatholic.

I have heard from members of the community there is an ingrained sexism problem at the school (which refers to women as "females&quot .

Cov students have also harassed gay students at other schools.


This is 73 year old Bishop Foys, in charge of the diocese that the school is a part of.

One former student told me he's uncomfortable with women and girls getting leadership positions at his schools. There was also a story about a rapist that was allowed to "walk" graduation."

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
23. The little MAGAt snowflakes were afraid of the 'scary' black guys who humiliated them.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jan 2019

So they waited until they had a huge crowd, then turned on someone they perceived to be weaker.

Typical bully behavior.

Typical mob behavior.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. Like when a white person calls police because a black teen boy is
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jan 2019

threatening him by walking in his neighborhood.

Whatever people of color do is threatening to a racist.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. Sociopaths ALWAYS blame other people for their actions
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jan 2019

It’s that simple.

They are always justified in what they do because someone else made them do it.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. It's like when the coward can't confront someone he perceives
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jan 2019

can kick his ass, so he kicks his dog. In this case the person kicked is an elderly man trying to make peace. Someone who obviously is weaker.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
35. This firsthand account refutes the MAGA teen's statement
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jan 2019



As tensions grew over the course of the encounter, I pulled out my phone, along with several others. Our videos became the documentation of this latest example of bigotry against indigenous lives. But make no mistake, it is not the first, and sadly it will probably not be the last.

People are responding so strongly to these videos because they are so emblematic of the violence that indigenous people have suffered for over 500 years in the United States. We have been raped, relocated, trafficked, separated, degraded, demoralized, and massacred by the United States government and a culture of media, economy, education, and religion that has dehumanized indigenous people for the entire history of this stolen country. Presently, this country continues to poison indigenous people by defiling our water and pumping drugs and alcohol into indigenous communities; regulate native bodies through tribal numbers and blood quantum laws; and force assimilation (culturally, spiritually).
These are tactics of genocide. An ongoing, unrecognized genocide.

These videos are a brutal reminder of a very real unfinished battle that indigenous people are still fighting. We are fighting to be acknowledged, to be counted, to be part of the future. Quite simply, we are fighting to exist.

But these videos are also a testament: a testament to the bravery, dignity, grace, strength, passion, and power of indigenous people. Leaders like Nathan are essential to the survival of indigenous people because they hold experience of our history and traditions. Indigenous elders have given their lives to protect our identities, our sovereignty, our lands, our people, our ways of being, only to be met time and time again with violence — or at the very least, the smug, smirking faces of our oppressors like the boys of Covington Catholic High School.
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