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Here's a still photo of Covington Catholic High School basketball fans at an actual game. Notice the boys in blackface and even black body makeup in the front row:
When I saw this in an earlier thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11703300 I couldn't be absolutely sure it was real. Apparently it was taken at a game in 2013, according to the Reddit thread where it first appeared.
So, I went to YouTube and searched for "Covington Catholic High School" fans. It didn't take long to find this video, which shows the same group of fans in a video. It's the first video clip, right at the beginning of the video. It proves that the still shot is accurate and represents those fans, who call themselves the "Colonel Crazies," after the team's mascot, a stereotypical Suthren Colonel:
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Cattledog
(5,897 posts)99% of the students are white. I believe it's an all boys school.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)whathehell
(28,968 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)
in the South...I think you'll find them to be very similar.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)whathehell
(28,968 posts)undermines the legitimacy of targeting this one...Get it now?
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Interesting.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)I don't see them among the students, either.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)Check the pictures of the entire group again.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)or are you just assuming it?
I ask because, in the excitement of a game, it's not unusual for guys to yell at oppossite team members over perceived fouls, etc.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Please...Look again at the photo. Look closely.
Try reading my post again, too. Nowhere did I say they were yelling anything racist.
I'll accept your apology as soon as you post it.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)Then maybe you should tell some other posters to "re-read"your post, because it's heavily implied by the angry fsces shouting at one black player.
As for "blackface"...I found one kid in the far right of the picture that is dressed in black, with black facepaint, but it looks more like a black cat mascot getup than traditional black face.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)You claimed I said they were yelling racist remarks. In fact, you're the one who inferred that from the photo. I said nothing of the sort. I posted a photo. You drew a conclusion from that photo.
"Angry faces shouting at one black player." Your words, not mine. What do you think they were saying?
Please think twice before writing. That's my suggestion to you. Putting words in other people's mouths is not a good thing to do.
I guess no apology will be forthcoming?
whathehell
(28,968 posts)I looked but can't find what it is, but I:d bet it's a Panthet or some sort of black cat.
I know what real blackface looks like -- There's usually white around the eyes and exaggetated red or white lips... Those kids don't look like that.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:21 PM - Edit history (1)
White Southern Colonel, with a big handlebar mustache. They're team name is The Colonels.
There is no defense possible for this. You saw the photo. No defense.
Why do you continue to beat a dead horse?
whathehell
(28,968 posts)and yes, I DID see the photo, which is how I know that whatever those kids were dressed as, it does not, as explained, fit the description of "Blackface"...If it did, I would NEVER defend it.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)A nice Confederate Colonel. They're the Colonels.
Just stop, please. Your hole is already deep enough.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)I think you should stop and be big enough to admit those students look nothing like this and that you made a mistake.
yardwork
(61,408 posts)Thank you for posting a historical photo that proves our point.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)which is exactly why I offered the comparison.
mentalsolstice
(4,453 posts)About that pesky Colonel mascot....Kentucky Colonel is the highest title of honor bestowed by the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Thus its a popular mascot in the state. The history of the organization goes back to the War of 1812. Im sure there are Colonels who have a very tainted, ugly reputation. OTOH, yours truly is a Colonel along with Muhammad Ali and Barack Obama and others. I dont know of anyone except Col. Sanders that uses the title. I dont introduce or address myself as Col. Mentalsolstice. The honorary title is bestowed by the Gov. or Sec. of State. In my case it was granted by Democratic Gov. Wallace Wilkinson.
That said, Im disgusted and repulsed by the behavior of CovCath, past and present. I hate that they co-opted an honor as their mascot.
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)Not War of 1812.
mentalsolstice
(4,453 posts)And I hate the way they co-opted it. For instance EKUs mascot is a Colonel. Ole Miss reviewed their mascot Colonel Reb and decided it was inappropriate. EKU underwent a similar review of their mascot the Colonel in a maroon suit and determined it was a homage to the honorary title. Such mascots throughout KY usually depict a white haired mustachioed man with a string tie,. It is what it is. As a KY Colonel I understand the history in KY, and the use of a Colonel mascot doesnt necessarily harken back to the Confederacy. KY was not a member of the CSA, although many men fought for the confederates.
As I said in my other post, I deplore the actions of CovCath. Im just saying that mustachioed Colonel mascot in KY isnt necessarily a callback to the Confederacy.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)White mouth. White eyes. Classic blackface makeup. Just stop, already, OK?
whathehell
(28,968 posts)and I noticed the lightness (rather than 'whiteness') around his eyes and mouth, then realized it was his SKIN...Yes, there looks to be a white streak coming FROM his mouth onto his cheek, but the placement suggests a cat's whisker.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)curving high onto the cheeks, and white patches around the eyes.
This, combined with the black makeup, is blackface.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)But we have racists, everywhere EVERYWHERE.
This video went viral due to a RUSSIAN BOT is what I am hearing, in which case we are being manipulated. We have to refocus on the nazi traitor in the WH and the nazi traitor Senate Majority leader.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)since I already addressed the "patches" and supposed "smile".
He is in PROFILE and you can barely SEE his mouth, only the left CORNERf of it. .What is seen is a White Slash jutting from the corner onto his cheek, like a cat's whisker.
There are no painted "white patchrs" around his eyes, that's his SKIN.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)It is white makeup, not skin. Scroll in, look at his mouth.
This is incredible. Cats whiskers.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)You can barely SEE his mouth because he is In PROFILE... Look AGAIN at thr original Al Jolsen "blackface" provided. There is NO "slash".
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)even if it's not identical to Al Jolson's.
yardwork
(61,408 posts)whathehell
(28,968 posts)artifact, rather than a contemporary "work in progress", is basically static, i.e. not open to "variation"...It's not just what someone "wants" it to be.
What's being "seen" is what fits the narrative', imo, the one being pushed relentlessly by the OP, who just HAPPENS to be a militant atheist. Sorry, this is going nowhere.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)presentation as ONE artist many decades ago.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)for about 70 years.
You can continue this sad, misconstrued hate fest if you want -- I've got things to do.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Blackface Halloween: A Toxic Cultural Tradition
Blackface, and redface, and yellowface, have a long history in this country. Minstrel shows relied on blackface and crude caricature of African Americans for the entertainment of white audiences. While the practice fell out of favor over the decadesspurred in large part by the civil-rights movementyou could still find white actors relying on makeup or a lazy pastiche of ethnic stereotypes in films like Breakfast at Tiffanys, The King and I, and Laurence Oliviers Othello.
Its also easy to think of it as something from the intermediate past, until you remember Soul Man, and Johnny Depps turn in The Lone Ranger. It was only last month the Metropolitan Opera decided to stop putting the title character in blackface for Otello.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/10/megyn-kelly-blackface-apology
Addressing an all-white panel of guestsJenna Bush Hager, MSNBCs Jacob Soboroff, and Melissa Riverson the air Tuesday, Kelly expressed confusion about social norms that discourage white people from darkening their faces while wearing costumes. You do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface for Halloween or if youre a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid that was O.K. as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character, she said.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)lost access to all forms of the Mainstream Media about 70 years ago...Underground garbage with national circulations of about 80 can, unfortunately, not be stopped
With respect to the school photo supposedly showing students in "blackface", I will say only this:. If anyone imagines that a pricey private school would allow their students to appear as racist caricatures -- for a RECRUITMENT video, no less -- than I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them . Have a nice day -- I'm done here. :
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)had appeared in blackface at a Halloween party about 14 years ago.
His version wasn't just like Al Jolson's either, but everyone knew what he meant.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142251728
yardwork
(61,408 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)Total white privilege.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Gothmog
(143,998 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)But they're "Good Catholic" racist assholes, apparently.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)I take it to mean that there are ugly bigots everywhere. Was that the point you were trying to make, oberliner?
jcgoldie
(11,582 posts)...that over there!
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)including his OPs.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)and call for answers.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)But, anyway, we have a bigger problem. The bot that made this whole thing go viral was russian, is what I am hearing and it makes perfect sense.
Putin wants us distracted and divided.
ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)WHAT exactly is your point here? Other schools do it so its not racist?
Please explain.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)Maybe his point is just that there is a lot of blame to go around.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)So some students do apply black to their face and body. I believe the practice has diminished once the students realized how the action could be interpreted.
I have yet to see a black face with the historically condemned white added.
BTW, I wouldn't use Arizona as a state that is racially progressive.
1. One of the last to approve MLK day - In fact they had a Super Bowl pulled from Phx/Tempe due to not honoring MLK day. (From that same stadium in your pics)
2. Joe Arapio won numerous elections in Maricopa County - Where ASU is located
3. Evan Mecham won the governorship by being a racist and opposing MLK day.
I can go on, grew up in Phx., ASU grad, the place is full of racists.
Danoldo
(1 post)4th generation Native here... Barack Obama spoke af my college commencement and it was celebrated. Everyone loved it. Stop speaking for us
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)Racists are EVERYWHERE and that includes blue states as well.
Denying racism is silly. Thank you for pointing this out.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I saw it was a new poster and didn't even respond.
In addition, the point about Obama speaking at his/her graduation, thus ASU is clean. Friggen laughable.
They invited Obama to speak, I think it was 2009, it caused such an outrage that the school president worked out a "compromise" where Obama would NOT be given an Honorary Degree. Obama being Obama didn't make a big deal out of it, but it was a very racist move and the ASU President was afraid to tell his board and the community to go pound sand. Every other commencement speaker prior to Obama was granted an Honorary Degree!
I'm not picking on AZ or ASU, just stating the facts. First 22 years of my life spent there saw enough racism to know the area had and still has a problem with race.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
and an incident involving a small group of noxious teen boys doesn't prove otherwise, sports team "colors showings" notwithstanding..
I'd educate you to the fact that fans of the team switch colors from white to black to blue for games, but that wouldn't fit the narrative, would it?
MaryMagdaline
(6,849 posts)Key words. Once people saw how it could be interpreted, they modified their behavior. Its called decency.
underpants
(182,270 posts)No seriously that's beyond f Ed up
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)Or working in politics, working their way up to Trump level? I went to a Catholic School for a while, it was in Illinois and every bit as racist as this one, my mom took us out of grade school because she didn't like what it taught us, fyi, it is not the Bible.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)from Facebook, and also from this post, very soon. I expect it to be deleted, along with others like it, by the end of the day.
Whatever PR firm the Diocese and that school have hired to fix this mess will find the video and delete it as soon as possible.
So watch it now, while it still exists. Or capture it somehow and post it in another format. I do not know how to do that.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)and is actively challenging/scrubbing material that is not conforming to their narrative.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)I'm sure there's a tool for downloading YouTube videos, but I'm not aware of one.
dalton99a
(81,062 posts)e.g. http://www.clickvideodownload.com/
Also see this list (which I picked at random):
https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/how-to-download-and-save-youtube-videos
GoneOffShore
(17,308 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Copies were saved, and will soon reappear.
GoneOffShore
(17,308 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)Link to tweet
?s=21
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)I've saved it to my PC.
The video, however, appears only to be hosted on YouTube. It will be deleted from there soon, no doubt. I do not know how to save a YouTube video.
ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)I imagine some smart person will be able to do it
Smilo
(1,944 posts)Can this be reposted & reposted?
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)People are working on saving it for archival purposes.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)like you just did. More correctly, those students and their adult chaperones are "white bigots," not white trash. Look up the term for a better definition:
white trash
/ˈˌ h)wīt ˈtraSH/
nounINFORMALDEROGATORY
poor white people, especially those living in the southern US.
Those boys are not poor at all. They're just bigots.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Some of the wealthiest people i know are white trash .
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I know many. Sometimes the dictionary doesn't know everything. I've never lived north of the Mason Dixon line but I've lived many places from Florida to Maryland and out to Texas and a couple states in between. There are plenty of rich and at least upper-middle class white trash folks down here. A lot of them started out poor but made money and never grew out of their racist, bigoted trashy ways. These kids are probably the children of folks like that.
Not everyone who bought a set of these did so ironically:
Bongo Prophet
(2,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)A very sad state of affairs, I think.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)IcyPeas
(21,737 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Yup! But led by and encouraged by adults in the name of Jesus. Think about it.
Yeehah
(4,520 posts)and it must be purged once and for all.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)They are old enough to know better and it appears most do, but not enough to tell others to stop.
The blackface at a blackout ballgame is not uncommon, but apparently, school leadership didn't tell them to do scrub their faces and explain the racist background to black face. I remember when ASU had to tell fans to not show up in blackface for blackout games.
At the Lincoln Memorial apparent, there was no leadership smart enough move the boys away from the antagonistic Black Hebrew group while they waited for a bus. And apparently, no leadership to tell the boys to be respectful of Mr. Phillips as he sang his song.
Who knows how many other incidents there have been.
yardwork
(61,408 posts)This large group of teens was taken to DC to participate in a highly political annual march whose purpose is to take reproductive rights away from women. Many of the kids were wearing MAGA hats, publicly demonstrating a close alignment with Trump.
The leaders of this school weren't disinterested observers to these plans, and this wasn't a typical school field trip by any means.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)markpkessinger
(8,381 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)There are copies stored, which will soon reappear. Yes, indeed they will.
markpkessinger
(8,381 posts)Demovictory9
(32,320 posts)Revanchist
(1,375 posts)But this one also shows other games, including a blue out and a white out where some kids are in blueface and whiteface so I don't think it there was a heavily racial component to the blackface during the blackout game.
From the video I posted
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Gothmog
(143,998 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20