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Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:03 PM Jan 2019

A word or two about PC -- A free association rant.

PC, or political correctness, started as informal rules for civility. Started decades ago, probably influenced by the growing diversity in our work force. There are just some things that you can't say at work without being called in by Human Resources. And I think, that there were two byproducts from this policy.

I think that people learned how to self-censor their prejudices in order to keep harmony in the office environment. And, for those who were racist in nature, this was a good thing. I can say, coming up through the eighties, that it was an imperfect start. Many of us minorities had to show that we wouldn't flare up in anger over the occasional watermelon or "off the boat" joke. I had an Italian mama who knew how to release the pressure by calling herself a Dago. Ha-ha, tension broken and we could all go back to doing whatever we had to do to earn a paycheck.

I think that many people, based on their non-confrontational natures, embraced this early PC culture. Their motto: silence is golden. To this day I have friends from that era that get downright nervous when you bring up a political topic. Did I say nervous? I mean, outright combative. "Don't do it, just don't do it!", someone told me when I posted a few political comments on Facebook.

And then, there's the other group. The side that would eventually throw PC out on its ear. Someone should someday log the progression of PC and how it was used by different groups to attempt to control speech and thought in relation to their beliefs. Some of it may have gone too far. I don't know for sure, but I do know that the concept of PC was thrown out on its ear about the same time that Shock talk began to hit the airwaves. Maybe 2000?

From there, we have experienced a devolving society, where white Republicans now identify their group based on racial prejudice. In other words, PC no more.

So, now we go round robin, because there is a twisted form of PC that still exists. Silence is the PC of our times. We have the same group of people who have learned to self-censor themselves, withholding judgment against rank racists. It brings terrible social consequences to us all, because this behavior only spares the feelings of the most intolerant. In fact, it emboldens the racists, because their way of thinking grows in the absence of resistance.

And I have no idea how to turn this around, since we reinforce this behavior in the workforce.

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A word or two about PC -- A free association rant. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 OP
K & R!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2019 #1
We need more common sense. grumpyduck Jan 2019 #2
The first problem is that we adopted their terminology: political correctness. marybourg Jan 2019 #3
+1 Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #7
I agree lunatica Jan 2019 #12
Basic respect vs. a sense of entitlement loyalsister Jan 2019 #15
I prefer to call it non-bigoted speech. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4
+1 ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #5
I do think that we need to move on to the term, non-bigoted speech, as well. Baitball Blogger Jan 2019 #10
PC used to be known as Leith Jan 2019 #6
Saying "I don't like or agree with PC speech"... Pobeka Jan 2019 #8
Common courtesy and civility Quemado Jan 2019 #9
Sadly, courtesy has become decidedly uncommon. MineralMan Jan 2019 #11
Whatever it's called it's simply: common sense/good manners/civility yonder Jan 2019 #13
As I understand it... tonedevil Jan 2019 #14

grumpyduck

(6,231 posts)
2. We need more common sense.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jan 2019

I'm about as un-PC as you can get, but I still practice common sense and common fucking courtesy. We don't have to throw out the dog with the bathwater.

marybourg

(12,611 posts)
3. The first problem is that we adopted their terminology: political correctness.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

As you point out it’s just a disparaging term for civility. So let’s go back to using the term “civility” and discuss being civil and let the right wing own the term “political correctness”. Most of us refuse to use “right to life” and I think we should do the same with “political correctness “.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. I agree
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

Simple respect for beginners.

When Black people used the term “Black” to describe themselves simple respect, not politics, made everyone else use the term. The same goes for the terms Gay and LGBTQ in place of homosexual, or Native American over Indian. When women objected to being referred to as broads it had nothing to do with politics. It was an act of self respect and a demand for respect.

Simple manners aren’t politics. They’re social cohesion which is rapidly disappearing under Trump.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
15. Basic respect vs. a sense of entitlement
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jan 2019

But, many of the same people who are offended by potential criticism for using hateful language are on board when it comes to not using profanity around our grandparents or in formal contexts.
The only difference is a matter of the challenge to dominance in the face of criticism for expressing animosity and disdain toward the hearer andor demonized population.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
4. I prefer to call it non-bigoted speech.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jan 2019

The bigots have turned "PC" into a curse word. I suggest we not use that term at all.

Really, non-bigoted speech isn't "Politically Correct." It's just following proper etiquette. It's just courtesy, which is rather uncommon these days. Politics should not enter into it at all.

Just don't use bigoted words and concepts in your speech. Easy Peasy.

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
10. I do think that we need to move on to the term, non-bigoted speech, as well.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jan 2019

It was originally started in the 70s with the feminist and minority movements, but as the term began to spread to embrace other beliefs, it became top heavy and the conservatives managed to shred it to the point that we do need to get back to the simple origins and meaning.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
6. PC used to be known as
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jan 2019

"common courtesy."

I can't help but wonder just what it is that anti-PCers want to say when they complain about it.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
8. Saying "I don't like or agree with PC speech"...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jan 2019

... is just saying "I'm unable to speak about the substance of a topic and be a nice person".

yonder

(9,663 posts)
13. Whatever it's called it's simply: common sense/good manners/civility
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

Somewhere along the line, PC got attached to these qualities so that those for whom the concept is foreign could disparagingly refer to it as PC. Two words with seven syllables. Ooooohhhh, look at them. They be smart.

In fact, when a coarse, redhat-type uses PC in an attempt to negatively discredit an argument, I'll toss something like "So you don't believe good manners are important?" back at them. It will often trip them up enough to begin fumbling for words.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
14. As I understand it...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:55 PM
Jan 2019

the term was tossed about at Stanford University as a way of changing attitudes by changing speach. I think it was used in ways that might be valid, but were ripe for mockery. Right wingernuts, think Limbaugh, heard about the use talked about it as though it was the new thing for Democrats to shame "regular Americans" for saying "regular American" things.
It quickly became something to distance yourself from. A brash new comic came up with a show called Politically Incorrect to show he wasn't one of those namby pamby liberals. Almost immediately you couldn't find anyone who would claim to be Politically Correct. It was like being Goth or Emo everyone distanced themselves even if they seemed a textbook example. At most the practitioners have been a small group of overthinking academics who imagined enforcing a certain politeness. Since that it has been used as an excuse for calling people names. Saying I'm not Politically Correct is another way of saying suck it up buttercup.

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