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Kamala Harris is cool. I like her, but...
Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California, to a Tamil Indian mother and a Jamaican father.
Her mother is from Tamil Nadu in Southern India, and her father is from Jamaica, so it seems quite a stretch for MSNBC and other news agencies to call her an "African American."
She has ancestors who came from Africa, you say? The entire homo sapiens species has ancestors that came from Africa!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Could she become the first woman to be elected President, yes, that is historic. I don't think race matters as much as it does to smoe of the racists in this country, including some in the media who feel the need to find divisive things to report.
grumpyduck
(6,232 posts)The media just doing its job: creating controversial content.
Hey, maybe that's a new nickname for the media: C cubed.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)She's an Asian-African American.
brush
(53,764 posts)Jamaican and the black folks in Jamaica are of African descent.
What's to question? Make it African/Asian American if you want.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)You probably wouldn't call an immigrant from Morocco or Egypt "African American", even though it was literally true. (For that matter, some people do not call recent immigrants from any part of Africa "African American".)
Even more counter-intuitively, many South Asian immigrants blended into the African American community over the course of three centuries, particularly Tamils, Bengalis, and Odishans.
Who is and isn't African American, and who gets to decide that, is a fraught and complicated question. But there's nothing about Harris's background that precludes that identification. It will be interesting to see the response of the broader African American community on this question.
Shell_Seas
(3,332 posts)Af·ri·can A·mer·i·can
[ˈafrəkən əˈmerəkən]
NOUN
African Americans (plural noun)
a black American.
ADJECTIVE
African-American (adjective)
relating to black Americans.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)That ones on you.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)I get the distinction, but it's one without a difference.
emulatorloo
(44,116 posts)Unrec
ADX
(1,622 posts)...then what is she?
Towlie
(5,324 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)ADX
(1,622 posts)...but on her website, she identifies herself as African-American:
https://kamalaharris.org/meet-kamala/
Why do you have a problem with that?
marybourg
(12,620 posts)then that's what she is.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)How is that such a stretch, especially when she's used the term. She's also a member of Congressional Black Caucus & Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)Yep.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts)...her father attributes his 'Jamaicanness' to her identity.
Donald Harris reflects in this essay on the of his daughter Kamala.
"As a child growing up in Jamaica, I often heard it said, by my parents and family friends: memba whe yu cum fram. To this day, I continue to retain the deep social awareness and strong sense of identity which that grassroots Jamaican philosophy fed in me. As a father, I naturally sought to develop the same sensibility in my two daughters. Born and bred in America, Kamala was the first in line to have it planted."
read more: https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Her dad is a black man from Jamaica.
That makes her as African American as Barack Obama.
Why are you finding this concept so difficult to understand?
Here, let Peter Tosh explain it to you:
As Jamaican Peter Tosh wryly sings, "no matter where you come, as long as you're a black man, you're an African."
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)but if her father is Jamaican, it is possible that he could be a descendant of the Garifuna people. The Garifuna are of mixed ancestry, primarily of West African, Central African, Island Carib, European...the Garifuna were exiled by the British colonials after a series of slave revolts. Their history is fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna
I'm just throwing this out there...if Senator Harris' father is Jamaican, I think it is fair that she might refer to herself as being of African American descent.
George II
(67,782 posts)She was born in the United States, so yes, she IS an African American.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I frankly could not create less about the color of her skin. She rocks!
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)SMDH.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I also was born in Oakland almost exactly 2 years later, within, say, a day or two ... I'd bet we're born at the same hospital, in fact ... think there was only 2 doing births at that time, so ... good chance.
Got that Agent Mike?
Yeah, you already know exactly who I am, so ...
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)Maybe you should spend a little time learning about the African diaspora instead of questioning Harris' self-identification.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)There are many African Americans in the Caribbean - where they were originally brought and exploited as slaves every bit as much as in the southern USA. Obama's mother was white. Kamala's mother was Tamil, which also makes her a POC.
Ethnic heritage is complex.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)which is more encompassing and, in the US, is used synonymously with african american.
winstars
(4,220 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)what they are finding"....expect that announcement at Donald Trump's next rally.
tavernier
(12,377 posts)exactly like my best friend... whose father was a dead ringer for Martin Luther King Jr.
I have to admit that I can be color bind because there are are humans made up of so many shades of color... but to my shame, I have found that I am not speech deaf. I often unfairly characterize people based on their speech, accents, and even grammar. Trying to work on this.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Learn a bit about the Color Rainbow of African-Americans....
Human Skin Color Variation - National Museum of History
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)Senator Harris, lawyer and former prosecutor, doesnt have a clue who she is.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Of COURSE Ksmala is!! As well as Indian-American. P/S: Jamaica as well as Haiti and many other Caribbean Islands/Territories/States are full of the descendants of African-Slaves.
So the fact this question has to be asked is frankly an insult. #FYI
still_one
(92,138 posts)She isnt black enough for some?
I have to wonder if those who seem bothered by this are African American, or white
tblue37
(65,334 posts)even though he was raised by his white grandparents.
She is as black as Obama is.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)They're more comfortable putting people into simple categories rather than trying to deal with real-life complexities. Harris is dark-skinned so she goes into the "African-American" box because that's the MSM box that requires the least use of brain cells for them (and it fits into a simple black/white, either/or version of the world). But Harris is from the Bay Area, which has a large Asian population, and where people tend to mingle and intermarry more than in, say, the Midwest. And there's no simple box for people with such mixed ancestry.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Bryan
(1,837 posts)End of. OP needs to think harder before posting.
at140
(6,110 posts)All technically Africans! Why not get rid of all references to race altogether? Since a person of any race can accept blood from any other race, I would like to abolish all references to race.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Many of us deny that reality and prefer a fairly tale involving "pure bloodlines".
Me.
(35,454 posts)why is this being asked, discussed, pondered, questioned?
Kamala Harris is a candidate. Period. (and a good/great one at that)
I do not understand why we have to slice and dice everything