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Towlie

(5,324 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:20 PM Jan 2019

Kamala Harris, African American???

Kamala Harris is cool. I like her, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#Early_life_and_education

Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California, to a Tamil Indian mother and a Jamaican father.

Her mother is from Tamil Nadu in Southern India, and her father is from Jamaica, so it seems quite a stretch for MSNBC and other news agencies to call her an "African American."

She has ancestors who came from Africa, you say? The entire homo sapiens species has ancestors that came from Africa!
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Kamala Harris, African American??? (Original Post) Towlie Jan 2019 OP
Personally I don't think it is an important factor. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #1
More talking points. grumpyduck Jan 2019 #34
Well it was the same with Obama. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #2
a Jamaican could be described as such treestar Jan 2019 #3
Oakland is as African American as you can get. Plus her father is... brush Jan 2019 #39
African/Asian/Caribbean/ American pangaia Jan 2019 #53
"African American" is a complex concept Recursion Jan 2019 #4
According to the Oxford Dictionary: Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #5
"I like her, but... " WeekiWater Jan 2019 #6
Whatever that means... Towlie Jan 2019 #10
It means you're quibbling. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #25
She was born in California, which last time I checked was in America. You sure you wanna do this? emulatorloo Jan 2019 #7
If she's not African-American... ADX Jan 2019 #8
She describes herself as a "proud American." She just said so 10 seconds ago. Towlie Jan 2019 #13
Nice I was going to say how about just an american. Isn't that enough? Joe941 Jan 2019 #32
Um... ADX Jan 2019 #42
Yeah, that's what she said TODAY... ADX Jan 2019 #40
Jamaican-Indian? at140 Sep 2019 #58
If she considers herself African American, marybourg Jan 2019 #9
Many people of Jamaican heritage are African American. yardwork Jan 2019 #11
She has described herself AA and Asian African American. rogue emissary Jan 2019 #12
Cool Story, Bro , ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #14
What A Thoughtful Way To Celebrate MLK Day! JimGinPA Jan 2019 #15
Right? SunSeeker Jan 2019 #23
You could, at least, spell her name right. blue neen Jan 2019 #16
Fixed, thanks. Towlie Jan 2019 #19
why is that a problem? bigtree Jan 2019 #17
Her dad is black, like Obama's was. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #18
Not that her ethnic hereitage is of extreme importance... MontanaMama Jan 2019 #20
Most blacks from Jamaica can be traced back slaves brought from Africa. George II Jan 2019 #21
I like her a lot. TruckFump Jan 2019 #22
Wow. Are you sure you want to leave this OP up? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #24
Oh, cool!? mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #26
"We are All Africans" Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #27
Wow, this is a terrible idea. yewberry Jan 2019 #28
hmm , thread trashed. TeamPooka Jan 2019 #29
Should she have to submit to a DNA test? tenderfoot Jan 2019 #30
So she gets "ancestry swift-boated" like Elizabeth Warren? bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #31
IKR!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #56
Are we going to do the is s(he) black enough - as in 2008? karynnj Jan 2019 #33
it's irrelevant but I think she often referes to herself as black american AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #35
I was just asking the same question... SAID NO ONE EVER!!! So glad you like her, ...but winstars Jan 2019 #36
"I've sent investigators to Jamaica, and you wouldn't believe oasis Jan 2019 #37
She appears to be Caucasian with olive skin coloring tavernier Jan 2019 #38
P/S.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2019 #45
So why don't you tell us who she really is since clearly MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #41
WTH is with the ??? LovingA2andMI Jan 2019 #43
The same bullshit some tried to play with President Obama still_one Jan 2019 #44
And Obama's mother was white, yet he is still considered black, not "half-white," tblue37 Jan 2019 #46
MSM can't deal with people who don't fit into neat boxes Retrograde Jan 2019 #47
this is a serious wtf ... are you suggesting she's a liar? fishwax Jan 2019 #48
Policing Sen. Harris' racial identification is Trumpian bullshit Bryan Jan 2019 #49
Since human origins have been traced to Africa, we are at140 Jan 2019 #50
We are all from Africa. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #51
I Could Scream Me. Jan 2019 #52
+1 Jarqui Jan 2019 #54
+1 fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #55
Good question. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #57

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. Personally I don't think it is an important factor.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

Could she become the first woman to be elected President, yes, that is historic. I don't think race matters as much as it does to smoe of the racists in this country, including some in the media who feel the need to find divisive things to report.

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
34. More talking points.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:06 PM
Jan 2019

The media just doing its job: creating controversial content.

Hey, maybe that's a new nickname for the media: C cubed.

brush

(53,764 posts)
39. Oakland is as African American as you can get. Plus her father is...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jan 2019

Jamaican and the black folks in Jamaica are of African descent.

What's to question? Make it African/Asian American if you want.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. "African American" is a complex concept
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

You probably wouldn't call an immigrant from Morocco or Egypt "African American", even though it was literally true. (For that matter, some people do not call recent immigrants from any part of Africa "African American".)

Even more counter-intuitively, many South Asian immigrants blended into the African American community over the course of three centuries, particularly Tamils, Bengalis, and Odishans.

Who is and isn't African American, and who gets to decide that, is a fraught and complicated question. But there's nothing about Harris's background that precludes that identification. It will be interesting to see the response of the broader African American community on this question.

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
5. According to the Oxford Dictionary:
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jan 2019

Af·ri·can A·mer·i·can
[ˈafrəkən əˈmerəkən]

NOUN
African Americans (plural noun)
a black American.

ADJECTIVE
African-American (adjective)
relating to black Americans.


emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
7. She was born in California, which last time I checked was in America. You sure you wanna do this?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jan 2019

Unrec

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
40. Yeah, that's what she said TODAY...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jan 2019

...but on her website, she identifies herself as African-American:

https://kamalaharris.org/meet-kamala/

Why do you have a problem with that?

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
12. She has described herself AA and Asian African American.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jan 2019

How is that such a stretch, especially when she's used the term. She's also a member of Congressional Black Caucus & Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
17. why is that a problem?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

...her father attributes his 'Jamaicanness' to her identity.

Donald Harris reflects in this essay on the ‘’ of his daughter Kamala.

"As a child growing up in Jamaica, I often heard it said, by my parents and family friends: “memba whe yu cum fram”. To this day, I continue to retain the deep social awareness and strong sense of identity which that grassroots Jamaican philosophy fed in me. As a father, I naturally sought to develop the same sensibility in my two daughters. Born and bred in America, Kamala was the first in line to have it planted."

read more: https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
18. Her dad is black, like Obama's was.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

Her dad is a black man from Jamaica.

That makes her as African American as Barack Obama.

Why are you finding this concept so difficult to understand?

Here, let Peter Tosh explain it to you:



As Jamaican Peter Tosh wryly sings, "no matter where you come, as long as you're a black man, you're an African."

MontanaMama

(23,307 posts)
20. Not that her ethnic hereitage is of extreme importance...
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jan 2019

but if her father is Jamaican, it is possible that he could be a descendant of the Garifuna people. The Garifuna are of mixed ancestry, primarily of West African, Central African, Island Carib, European...the Garifuna were exiled by the British colonials after a series of slave revolts. Their history is fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna

I'm just throwing this out there...if Senator Harris' father is Jamaican, I think it is fair that she might refer to herself as being of African American descent.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Most blacks from Jamaica can be traced back slaves brought from Africa.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jan 2019

She was born in the United States, so yes, she IS an African American.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
26. Oh, cool!?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jan 2019

I also was born in Oakland almost exactly 2 years later, within, say, a day or two ... I'd bet we're born at the same hospital, in fact ... think there was only 2 doing births at that time, so ... good chance.

Got that Agent Mike?

Yeah, you already know exactly who I am, so ...

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
28. Wow, this is a terrible idea.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:01 PM
Jan 2019

Maybe you should spend a little time learning about the African diaspora instead of questioning Harris' self-identification.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
33. Are we going to do the is s(he) black enough - as in 2008?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jan 2019

There are many African Americans in the Caribbean - where they were originally brought and exploited as slaves every bit as much as in the southern USA. Obama's mother was white. Kamala's mother was Tamil, which also makes her a POC.

Ethnic heritage is complex.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
35. it's irrelevant but I think she often referes to herself as black american
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jan 2019

which is more encompassing and, in the US, is used synonymously with african american.

oasis

(49,376 posts)
37. "I've sent investigators to Jamaica, and you wouldn't believe
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jan 2019

what they are finding"....expect that announcement at Donald Trump's next rally.

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
38. She appears to be Caucasian with olive skin coloring
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:20 PM
Jan 2019

exactly like my best friend... whose father was a dead ringer for Martin Luther King Jr.

I have to admit that I can be color bind because there are are humans made up of so many shades of color... but to my shame, I have found that I am not speech deaf. I often unfairly characterize people based on their speech, accents, and even grammar. Trying to work on this.

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
41. So why don't you tell us who she really is since clearly
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:34 PM
Jan 2019

Senator Harris, lawyer and former prosecutor, doesn’t have a clue who she is.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
43. WTH is with the ???
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jan 2019

Of COURSE Ksmala is!! As well as Indian-American. P/S: Jamaica as well as Haiti and many other Caribbean Islands/Territories/States are full of the descendants of African-Slaves.

So the fact this question has to be asked is frankly an insult. #FYI

still_one

(92,138 posts)
44. The same bullshit some tried to play with President Obama
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jan 2019

She isn’t “black” enough for some?

I have to wonder if those who seem bothered by this are African American, or white

tblue37

(65,334 posts)
46. And Obama's mother was white, yet he is still considered black, not "half-white,"
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jan 2019

even though he was raised by his white grandparents.

She is as black as Obama is.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
47. MSM can't deal with people who don't fit into neat boxes
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jan 2019

They're more comfortable putting people into simple categories rather than trying to deal with real-life complexities. Harris is dark-skinned so she goes into the "African-American" box because that's the MSM box that requires the least use of brain cells for them (and it fits into a simple black/white, either/or version of the world). But Harris is from the Bay Area, which has a large Asian population, and where people tend to mingle and intermarry more than in, say, the Midwest. And there's no simple box for people with such mixed ancestry.

Bryan

(1,837 posts)
49. Policing Sen. Harris' racial identification is Trumpian bullshit
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jan 2019

End of. OP needs to think harder before posting.

at140

(6,110 posts)
50. Since human origins have been traced to Africa, we are
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:41 PM
Jan 2019

All technically Africans! Why not get rid of all references to race altogether? Since a person of any race can accept blood from any other race, I would like to abolish all references to race.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
51. We are all from Africa.
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jan 2019

Many of us deny that reality and prefer a fairly tale involving "pure bloodlines".

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
54. +1
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jan 2019

Kamala Harris is a candidate. Period. (and a good/great one at that)

I do not understand why we have to slice and dice everything

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