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(85,975 posts)
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:53 PM Jan 2019

About the 'Jamaicanness' of Kamala Harris

Kamala Harris talks w/NYT about how she connects personal experiences to her professional life, the breakneck speed of the news cycle, the inspiration she takes from Bob Marley and more...

Who is a creative person (not a writer) who has influenced you and your work?

Certainly my mother. She was incredibly creative, as a scientist. But when I think about performers: Bob Marley. I first started listening to him when I was a child. My father had an incredible jazz collection but also a lot of Marley. I saw him in concert at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. I was hooked.

Jamaica’s history is actually not that well known in the context of the issues we deal with in the United States. But Jamaica grappled with vicious slavery for generations, and then colonists, with a very strong sense of identity in terms of what it meant to be particularly a black Jamaican. A lot of his music was about what it means to fight for the people. He was a very spiritual person also. I’m very spiritual. I don’t talk a lot about it, but the idea that there is a higher being and that we should be motivated by love of one another — that also requires us to fight.


interview: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/books/kamala-harris-book.html




"Hanging out with my family in Jamaica..." (Courtesy of Kamala Harris)

Donald Harris reflects in this essay on the ‘Jamaicanness’ of his daughter Kamala.

"As a child growing up in Jamaica, I often heard it said, by my parents and family friends: “memba whe yu cum fram”. To this day, I continue to retain the deep social awareness and strong sense of identity which that grassroots Jamaican philosophy fed in me. As a father, I naturally sought to develop the same sensibility in my two daughters. Born and bred in America, Kamala was the first in line to have it planted."

"From the start, I strived to retrace for my children the path on which I had traveled: from Miss Judah’s primary school at Top Road in Brown’s Town to Park School ‘Elementary’ just around the corner, to Titchfield High in Port Antonio, to University College of the West Indies (UCWI) then to Berkeley where Kamala was born, to Illinois where Maya was born, and subsequently to Cambridge University, Wisconsin, Yale, and Stanford."

"Throughout this retracing, my message to them, from the lessons I had learned along the way, was that the sky is the limit on what one can achieve with effort and determination and that, in this process, it is important not to lose sight of those who get left behind by social neglect or abuse and lack of access to resources or ‘privilege’; also not to get ‘swell-headed’ (a favourite expression and command of Miss Chrishy); and that it is important to ‘give back’ with service to some greater cause than oneself."

"In their early years, I tried to convey this message in very concrete terms, through frequent visits to Jamaica and engaging life there in all its richness and complexity. In Brown’s Town, we walked the streets during ‘market day’, chatted up the ‘higglers’ in the market and were rewarded with plenty of ‘brawta’ (Jamaican word for bonus offerings) in naseberries, mangoes and guinep after each purchase. We checked out the location of the old Park School which had become transformed into Brown’s Town Comprehensive High School, strolled into St. Mark’s Church and graveyard, and traversed the road up the hill to Orange Hill where my uncle Newton had taken over the family property and started a limestone mining and brick producing operation in addition to the cattle, grass, fruit and pimento farming of earlier times."

"Of course, in later years, when they were more mature to understand, I would also try to explain to them the contradictions of economic and social life in a ‘poor’ country, like the striking juxtaposition of extreme poverty and extreme wealth, while working hard myself with the government of Jamaica to design a plan and appropriate policies to do something about those conditions..."

read more: https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/kamala-harris-jamaican-heritage/


My granddaughter Meena, her aunt Kamala and me

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About the 'Jamaicanness' of Kamala Harris (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2019 OP
"striking juxtaposition of extreme poverty and extreme wealth" Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #1
Love her! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #2
Thank you! Kick and rec emulatorloo Jan 2019 #3
I believe she can win. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #4
Thanks bigtree malaise Jan 2019 #5
A face that radiates beauty, soul and intelligence. panader0 Jan 2019 #6
Great photos. nt oasis Jan 2019 #7
OHMGRD. I had that EXACT SAME swingset when I was a little kid! Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #8
"I saw him in concert at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. I was hooked." Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #9
I'm sure the birthers are already tagging her with "not a real American". llmart Jan 2019 #10
Love Kamala yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #11
Same here. Glad to see you back yuiyoshida still_one Jan 2019 #26
The One We (Us) Have Been Waiting For..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2019 #12
Most, if not all, "black" Jamaicans trace their genealogy back to Africa.... George II Jan 2019 #13
OH, I think we all know why they're questioning her heritage and race.... to divide us. groundloop Jan 2019 #16
This.... SO this. slumcamper Jan 2019 #19
Donald J. Trump was born in Kenya IronLionZion Jan 2019 #25
I have suspicions that perhaps their candidate preference doesn't identify easily with the African still_one Jan 2019 #28
Who gves a shit where she's from? This is the USA. grumpyduck Jan 2019 #29
Yup BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #51
Because that's what they do.. I just saw Cha Jan 2019 #33
Because they are total creeps ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #47
Well if she likes Marley's music that's a plus. Trump probably doesn't know who he is. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #14
Thank you for this post bigtree, I did not know this about Kamala. I would be happy to vote for her c-rational Jan 2019 #15
K & R LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #17
Cue the "birther" crowd attacks. Waiting for Individual 1... slumcamper Jan 2019 #18
Exactly. progressoid Jan 2019 #22
here you go: Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #49
she was born in California making her a citizen bigtree Jan 2019 #50
Great post. Thanks. pangaia Jan 2019 #20
Kamala Harris is an evangelical Christian Mosby Jan 2019 #21
her words in the op bigtree Jan 2019 #24
Not a real American tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #32
And? kag Jan 2019 #27
I was raised as an Evangelical Christian, in a black church MrScorpio Jan 2019 #31
I would think not! Cha Jan 2019 #34
as a non-christian, I dont see a lot of difference Mosby Jan 2019 #43
As a non-linguist, I don't see a lot of difference between Mandarin and Cantonese. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #45
are cantonese and manderan speakers both homophobic? Mosby Jan 2019 #48
She's not a "WHITE" evangelical Christian, big difference and have always been politically uponit7771 Jan 2019 #37
black evangelicals are different from the Evangelicals the media mostly focuses on which are white JI7 Jan 2019 #39
She is listed as being brought up in a Black Baptist Church & a Hindu Temple sellitman Jan 2019 #40
all baptists are evangelicals afaik Mosby Jan 2019 #41
No. Evangelicalism is trans-denominational. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #46
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #23
You know what the real shame is matt819 Jan 2019 #30
kick bigtree Jan 2019 #35
I like her bdamomma Jan 2019 #36
I'm quite happy to see her run. She was a early favorite of mine. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #38
But the emoprogs on Twitter keep trying to say she isn't black! Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #42
I have a neighbor who is now from Alaska but was from Jamaica. akraven Jan 2019 #44

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,249 posts)
1. "striking juxtaposition of extreme poverty and extreme wealth"
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

She's a fighter and she's seen one of the root causes of injustice in this country.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. A face that radiates beauty, soul and intelligence.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jan 2019

I could easily support her as a candidate.
It'd be great to have two women on our ticket.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
8. OHMGRD. I had that EXACT SAME swingset when I was a little kid!
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jan 2019

Oh, that brings back such great memories.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
9. "I saw him in concert at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. I was hooked."
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jan 2019

There are far more meaningful things to be said about Kamala and this interview, but I feel moved to say:

I was at that concert too! It was incredible!!!


And, from all I know so far, so is Kamala Harris.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
10. I'm sure the birthers are already tagging her with "not a real American".
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:45 PM
Jan 2019

So far she is my first choice for our candidate.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
12. The One We (Us) Have Been Waiting For.....
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jan 2019

So excited about Kamala and we (Us) are totally on board with her candidacy!

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Most, if not all, "black" Jamaicans trace their genealogy back to Africa....
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 03:50 PM
Jan 2019

....Kamala Harris is indeed an African American.

I don't know why some are already questioning her heritage or race.

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
16. OH, I think we all know why they're questioning her heritage and race.... to divide us.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jan 2019

Right wingers are bullies and they'll do whatever they can to put down anyone whom they perceive as a threat.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
25. Donald J. Trump was born in Kenya
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:05 PM
Jan 2019

Unless you personally saw him being born you can't prove otherwise.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
28. I have suspicions that perhaps their candidate preference doesn't identify easily with the African
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

American Community, and have concerns their candidate may not get the support they would like from them

It is no secret the key to winning Super Tuesday is support from African Americans

grumpyduck

(6,222 posts)
29. Who gves a shit where she's from? This is the USA.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:16 PM
Jan 2019

Personal backgrounds are fine, and make people real, and yes knowing about her is nice. But this stuff just gets twisted and politicized and we just let it happen by talking about it, and the important stuff drops between the cracks. We should be focusing on her vision and her plans for the future of this nation.

If she's qualified to become the President of the United States and is serious about leading this nation back to where it should be, I couldn't give a rat's ass if she was born on Pluto.

And if she gets the nomination I'll vote for her. Regardless of her family history.

Cha

(296,822 posts)
33. Because that's what they do.. I just saw
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jan 2019

a tweet reminding people that Shirley Chisholm's parents were from Barbados.


bigtree

(85,975 posts)
50. she was born in California making her a citizen
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jan 2019

...end of story.

Cuomo needs to answer this himself. He's perfectly capable.


tulipsandroses

(5,122 posts)
32. Not a real American
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jan 2019

says the wing nutters.

Jamaican dad, Indian mom, Hindu temple. Nope. Not a real Murican. Lol

kag

(4,078 posts)
27. And?
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jan 2019

I've never seen anything she has said or done that makes me believe she is trying to impose her religion on me or anyone else. The whole POINT of freedom of religion is that you may worship however you choose, just don't try to force it on others. I don't care what her religion is, nor her skin color, nor her gender, nor her sexual preference. I do know that I have seen her fight for all the things I believe in, and against all the things I don't. I like her.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
31. I was raised as an Evangelical Christian, in a black church
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jan 2019

Trust me, it's not the same as what you'd see in white Evangelical churches.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. As a non-linguist, I don't see a lot of difference between Mandarin and Cantonese.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jan 2019

As a non-linguist who barely speaks two languages, I don't see a lot of difference between Mandarin and Cantonese. I imagine that failure to see is on me, rather than anything else.

Mosby

(16,258 posts)
48. are cantonese and manderan speakers both homophobic?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jan 2019

Because all baptist churches are, regardless of race.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
39. black evangelicals are different from the Evangelicals the media mostly focuses on which are white
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jan 2019

and right wing.

black evangelical are mostly democratic.

it's like comparing that catholic boys school that in the news now to latino catholics.

sellitman

(11,605 posts)
40. She is listed as being brought up in a Black Baptist Church & a Hindu Temple
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 10:44 AM
Jan 2019

Are Black Baptists considered "Evangelicals". I am not being snarky here BTW.

Mosby

(16,258 posts)
41. all baptists are evangelicals afaik
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jan 2019

And obviously hinduism and christianity aren't even remotely compatible, which is probably why she is identified as a baptist on her bios, cvs, etc.

I suspect she's not very religious.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. No. Evangelicalism is trans-denominational.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jan 2019

Not all Baptists are evangelicals. not all evangelicals are Baptists.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
30. You know what the real shame is
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

Ethnically, Barack Obama and Kamala Harris and other non-white people represent what is stupendous about America. People who don't fit the so-called mold of the so-called "typical" American. In many (most?) cases, however smart and accomplished and driven they were, they had to be smarter, more accomplished, and more driven than their white counterparts.

You may take issue with their positions on certain issues. I think we've all read the op-ed piece from last week critical of Kamala Harris and her shortcomings as a prosecutor and as California AG. Then there was the op-ed in this morning's NYT critical of Ilhan Omar (not that she's running for president - yet). Coming from the left, these are fair criticisms. (In contrast, coming from the right they are racist attacks. I'm not saying this as a joke. I think those on the left are genuinely concerned about the issues they raise. Those on the right just engage in ad hominem attacks.)

I have to say, I'm excited when I see the photos of AOC and her incoming class of dynamic (and mostly young) women who reflect the America of 2019.

I have no idea who will prevail as the Democratic candidate, but it's going to be one hell of a ride.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
36. I like her
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:41 PM
Jan 2019

but then again there are those who just have so much racist tendencies, and feel threatened by a strong woman due to their own inadequacies' who would never see a woman in office. Too fucking bad for them'

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
38. I'm quite happy to see her run. She was a early favorite of mine.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jan 2019

But I was very nervous about invoking some kind of beetlejuice jinx.

Go Kamala!

akraven

(1,975 posts)
44. I have a neighbor who is now from Alaska but was from Jamaica.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jan 2019

Her accent when attempting Yupik is a ball to listen to!

Some of the best folks ever from that island. Period. Full stop!

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