They are LIARS!

I can say this generation it is rare to find one who has been taught that. It was common sense to us because it was taught to us from the time we were little.

even though he is likely older than most of us, and would fall into the catetory that ought to be afforded that respect?

Just pointing out that rules of respect based on age/gender/etc. don't generally override rules of political engagement.

to step aside for one's elders trumps politcal engagement.

The two are relatively separate sets of rules.

I suspece we were generally also taught to obey the law, be respectful to police, and comply with their orders - and I am also quite sure that in a political context many of us have intentionally been arrested as part of engaging in civil disobedience - and have not complied with 2 of the 3 "rules," we were taught about how one ought to act in the world.

It really has little to do with specific personalities (although I used Trump as an example because most here believe he deserves no respect) to make the point: Rules of polite discourse generally do not override rules of political engagement.

about differences I have with him.

Most of the kids cleared the way for Mr. Phillips. One kid wouldn’t move. Shows a certain arrogance.

Phillips moved toward the group (per his words, in an attempt to intervene between the youth and the Black Israelites). As he was drumming and moving toward the boys, the group closed in a fairly tight circle around him - including (but not limited to) the kid who is the focal point of most of the videos.

But the one taken by BI man did not show up close. Phillips said kids moved aside until the one kid did not. I then saw videos taken by those up close, already showing kids circling Phillips. Seems that the defiant kid started a turnaround in behavior for the worse.

But his behavior seemed milder to than that of many of his peers.

with some BS comparison comparing Phillips to Trump.

you get away with the concern, you wouldn't likely get away with taking the kid's side against Mr. Phillips.

The post/subthread you responded to didn't include a single word comparing Phillips to Trump.

As to the comment you most likely intended to respond to - I was still not comparing Phillips to Trump. I was making a point that applying rules of courtesy (i.e. deferrring to one's elders) to political engagement (e.g. no one here would defer to Trump in a political conversation - despite him being an elder to quite a few of us here.

The suggestion that young'uns aren't properly being taught the rules of common courtesy, based on a political engagement, is just as silly as complaining that two wrestlers weren't properly taught the rules of bridge.

The rules of political engagement are not synonymous with the rules of interaction between youth and their elders.

For his opinon? No
To get a better position in a line? Mostly no
To get a better deal than me? No
To get the choice of which tv station to watch? No

General rules of "respect" don't apply in all situations merely because of a difference in ages.

Exception to every rule.

rules of interaction based on age govern a limited set of circumstances in which other factors don't predominate.

There is no reason to expect apply age-based rules to political engagement. It's like applying market-place rules to an interaction in your kitchen in which you ask your spouse (etc.) for an apple.

Respect your elders has gone by the way side!! SAD!

and it blows me away. Don't know if it's my commanding presence or my military bearing (HA! to both), or that we live in CA, but it happens a lot. Just this morning at a convenience store, a young lady probably in her mid-20s called me "sir."

I used to respond with "you don't have to call me sir - I work for a living," but kinds dropped it recently. Maybe I should go back to it. Always got a smile.

I do not see it here much here. I'm glad there are still persons that feel that way though!

Oops, when did I get old enough for that?

Still trying to figure out a way to take advantage of my age, though.

the first time it happened. I was used to Sir in the military, but no one addressed me that way in civilian work of life until maybe about 10 years ago.

while youngsters sit without any self-consciousness or shame.

Anyone older than me is respected and called Sir or Mame. And since I am now over 50 I assume a good number of people younger than I.

But then again, I treat all people with respect.

My mother would haunt me if I did differently. Maybe it’s a southern thing.

He bumped into me and in response said excuse me.
His mother started to apologize, I told he he was fine and it was refreshing to hear that sort of manners from a child.

A childhood friend and I were on a full bus in Manhattan decades ago and a senior citizen entered. My friend got up and offered her the seat and woman shouted at us "What do you think I am - Old"? We never figured out if it was age related or race related.
We still laugh at the incident, but it hasn't stopped any of us for showing respect to older people.

Who looks pregnant.

except that this woman was older than I am now and I am not young

I too have seen young people get treated very rudely when they try to be polite and considerate toward old people. Good manners need to go both ways.

That said I have been pleasantly surprised at how many young persons, particularly men hold doors open for me or keep the door open if they see someone else approaching.

Also- hold doors for them, give up chairs, offer to carry heavy packages, carry their plate to the table from the buffet, etc.

And on the other side of the family, open the beer bottle for them, let them sit in the front seat, let them pick the teevee channel, etc.

Different manifestations but the same thing: Respect for elders.

We didn't necessarily have to agree with them but we were discouraged (at least on one side of the family) from expressing different views, especially in a way that pointed up the lack of logic or factual basis in their positions. On the other side, we were free to argue but expected to let elders have the last word, even if they didn't convince us.

We weren't necessarily expected to listen to them but we were encouraged to pretend to listen. Or at least not be rude about not listening.

Back then, of course, it was clear they knew very little, anyway.

It's amazing how much they actually did know, in retrospect. I probably would have benefited from listening more.

reminiscently,
Bright

Personal space to her elders.

her some respect! Instead of shoving her name into unrelated conversations.

they would if the older person was white.

I see "manners" posts on Facebook saying kids should be taught to look adults in the eye. That's wrong and especially wrong with a traditional elder (numerous cultures, but particularly Native American).
If an elder looks you in the eye, you properly lower your eyes. Otherwise, you are challenging them and you don't do that. Stepping back is appropriate if they are moving close to you; they are probably trying to get past you.

this is no longer the case. I've been riding the bus to downtown Seattle for 20 years and have noticed a sea change on people offering seats to those who need them more, including people with canes or casts. The younger riders just don't,, they rarely look up from their devices, and they also always have something in their ears, which disengages them from whatever is occurring around them.

But if this is about Trump, well, he's ceded the right to the respect his age would normally command.

So yea, I don’t know what lefties in general would do.

This incident has to with fascists and racism who generally ignore this when attacking their victims. Those seen as weak, older, different, threatening to their crazy beliefs etc can be attacked and disrespected.

Any way confrontational. I just can’t see it that kid’s way. Mr Phillips looked pretty innocuous to me. However mr Phillips said he sensed fear.

He was obviously not intentionally threatened or attacked in any other way etc of course. When people do things like this they are usually insecure on some basic level and that is part of the cause. They have been emboldened by the events of the last 3 years or so. With fascism etc it is about seeking out your targets and attacking them visciously. I watched a short video clip of the event and Mr Phillip’s comments in another video he made after the event. It was so heart breaking to see. If he sensed fear he is probably right.

Our society is becoming more uncivil IMHO.

do you think Trump represents most old white men ?

Even if you have to move a kitty!

we were at least 18 years of age....