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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFascinating list of the 7 social classes in 1841 England. Esp. the 7th.
And notice the number of families/indiv. members of each class.
Entire history in one page.
Original, here: https://janeaustensworld.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/social-classes-in-england-1814/
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I thought that was covered in the first class.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)"Productive Labourers, by whose exertions a new Property is created every year
Agriculture, Mines. etc.
Foreign Commerce, Shipping, Trade, Manufactures, Fisheries etc.
Fine Arts"
"Unproductive Labourers, whose exertions do not create any new Property
Royalty, Nobility, Gentry
State and Revenue, Army, Navy, half pay, pensioners
Clergy, Law, Physic
Universities, Schools, Miscellaneous
Paupers"
(though it does then say that 'unproductive' doesn't mean 'useless')
mcar
(42,302 posts)Rough count, that's more than half the population.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Not much in the way of the ordinary soldier or sailor pensions. Officers were a bit better off when they left service.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)It's OK up to the 'sixth class', but then should come:
Menial servants [no 'heads of families'] 1,279,923
7th Class Paupers etc. 387,100 [heads] 1,828,170 [total]
Total for civilians of all 7 classes: 3,371,281 16,165,803
Army and navy officers inc. on half pay 10,500 69,000
NCOs, soldiers etc. 120,000 862,000
The table in the OP has mistakenly put the total for civilians as the vagrants etc. - as you point out, that then makes it look like slightly over half the country.
A discussion on these figures: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vP4jluprqYYC&pg=PT24
mcar
(42,302 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Love how you sleuthed that out.
I was reading that table during a break from re-watching Downton Abbey this week, the plot being based initially on the entail law, and the family facing the loss of their estate.
On a side note, that show takes place from 1912 on up to WW1. I was struck once again how people thought their world would go on, perhaps with minor changes, forever, yet that war indirectly doomed the landed gentry way of life, with rare exceptions.
miyazaki
(2,239 posts)Fun show, a little strange.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Now waiting for S. 2 to show up.
There is another series this month, called "frontier" which is an obvious copy of Taboo, not quite the same standard, tho.
I do enjoy watching Alun Armstrong in it, however.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Below them were the great mass of the population, craftsmen and laborers.
In the 18th century probably half the population lived as subsistence or bare survival level.
DAILY LIFE IN 18th CENTURY BRITAIN....
http://www.localhistories.org/18thcent.html
Social history is so fascinating, and helpful, I find.
mcar
(42,302 posts)Thanks dixiegrrrrl!
IcyPeas
(21,858 posts)they were below paupers and vagrants? wow, that is surprising to me.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Altho basically low paid slaves in that naval system.
and, sadly, just like today, any injured sailor was turned loose to make it on his own.
same for military veterans.
Which might go a long way in explaining why there the 7th class is so numerous.
Xolodno
(6,390 posts)...and I was right.
This was a time of massive income inequality. Being a soldier meant clothing, food, shelter and a small wage. The higher classes saw them as "surplus population" and so casualties in wars were no big deal. And their career path was pretty much limited, they may rise in rank...but not very far. The goal was to live long enough to be useless on the front lines and put into other roles away from the main battle or in a spot that was far less dangerous.
But if you had some really good experience, you could opt to become a mercenary and make more money.
The ones with "cushy" ranks and watched the battle from a safe distance and barked orders, were reserved for those in the upper classes. The only time they were seriously in danger, when they made a really bad decision.
Of course, this was an "out" if you were male...females didn't have this option.
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malaise
(268,930 posts)Just saying
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)This is the goal of Russiapublicans and global oligarchs.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)remember, the US started out as colonies of England. Every large country back then was grabbing as much foreign territory as it could, to make money from the New World, and ship good stuff back to the mother country.
The pyramid of wealth has always been the same design. Huge masses of people in various walks of life toiled to support the people at the top of the pyramid, one way or another.