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Quixote1818

(28,921 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:33 AM Jan 2019

So Mitch can end the shutdown with a vote, should we start focusing on him instead of Trump?

Mich has the Ruby slippers to take everyone home and go around Trump. Would he ever budge without Trump's approval? Should Dems shift and just start focusing on Mitch or because this is hurting Trump worse than anyone stay focused on him?

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So Mitch can end the shutdown with a vote, should we start focusing on him instead of Trump? (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jan 2019 OP
This all on Mitch bdamomma Jan 2019 #1
I'm Surprised There Hasn't Been Much More Media Scrutiny of McConnell's Stonewalling dlk Jan 2019 #2
media prefers Pelosi vs Trump Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #11
It all depends on their re-election chances... kentuck Jan 2019 #3
Absolutely! RT Atlanta Jan 2019 #4
How do we "focus" on him? There is nothing we can do to change his mind... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #5
#WheresMitch... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #6
Funny how he wouldn't put a bill on the floor unless Trump would sign it EffieBlack Jan 2019 #7
Yes Achilleaze Jan 2019 #8
Republicans are responsible for this shakedown bluecollar2 Jan 2019 #9
This is a bit of an over-simplification Hokie Jan 2019 #10

dlk

(11,514 posts)
2. I'm Surprised There Hasn't Been Much More Media Scrutiny of McConnell's Stonewalling
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jan 2019

Mitch could end the shakedown-shutdown in a single day. The media is giving him a pass.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,271 posts)
11. media prefers Pelosi vs Trump
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jan 2019

Moscow Mitch is too slimey -- he retreats into his shell when the M$M comes around.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
3. It all depends on their re-election chances...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jan 2019

If the shutdown begins to hurt their chances for re-election, then they will change.

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
4. Absolutely!
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:38 AM
Jan 2019

With peaceful (but loud) protesters following him everyone in public loudly chanting (whether at dinner, the airport, going to get the mail, etc.). 24x7 until he capitulates.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. How do we "focus" on him? There is nothing we can do to change his mind...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jan 2019

or encourage him to act.

Trump doesn't have the brains, authority, or ability to keep the shutdown going, and if it weren't for good ol' boy Mitch, it would be over already no matter what Pindick the Bugfucker wanted.

One might note that Speaker and President are specifically mentioned in the Constitution, but Senate Majority Leader is something made up by Senate rules and the turtle does not get his authority from law, but from acquiescence to those rules.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
7. Funny how he wouldn't put a bill on the floor unless Trump would sign it
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:47 AM
Jan 2019

But WILL put a bill on the floor that the House (and possible Senate) won't approve.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
9. Republicans are responsible for this shakedown
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jan 2019

But I agree that the next step should be to redefine the argument to make McConnell the focus of the obstructionism.

By focusing on McConnell's refusa lthe story becomes centered on the process, rather than the personality.

When Americans are given the opportunity to see who should be held accountable for this failure they will bring the pressure to bear.

Hokie

(4,286 posts)
10. This is a bit of an over-simplification
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

Let's say that McConnell allows a vote in the Senate on some or all of bills the House has passed this year to reopen the government. The bills would then go to Trump who could either sign them, do nothing, or veto them. If Trump signs them the shutdown is over. If he does nothing they become law in ten days and the shutdown ends. If he vetoes them the House and Senate can override the veto but it take a 2/3 majority in both chambers. That's 67 votes in the Senate and 292 in the House.

Now much has been made about the Senate passing the CR in December by unanimous decision or nearly unanimous decision. Well that was by a voice vote so I would not expect it would be so easy to override Trump's veto. My guess is that an override would fail in both chambers.

So the bottom line is that it's really in Trump's court. Until he drops his stupid demand for a wall the government is going to remain shutdown. Yes, McConnell could bring the House bills to the floor where they would probably pass. That would but enormous pressure on Trump to either sign them or let them become law. But predicting what Trump would do is about impossible.

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