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Lots of folks are posting this picture claiming the Covington Catholic High School are flashing white power hand signs.
This gesture is a common basketball sign when celebrating a player making a three point shot.
No need to get carried away.
sweetloukillbot
(11,008 posts)The Alt-Right co-opted this sign during the Trump campaign. It's pretty well documented, yet everytime it's pointed out, someone has to chime in "THat's not what it means!" And show pictures of African Americans make it.
There's pictures of them in MAGA hats, in Blackface, and making the Pepe the Frog (Yes, that's where they got it from) ok sign.
Context is important.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)But that picture should not be used.
They were not flashing a white power sign at that time.
Why give the racists something to latch on to and ridicule?
zaj
(3,433 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)If you showed that at a football game it would be different. At a basketball game and its just a 3 pointer
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It can be difficult to realize that often, multiple meanings may be attributed to one phase, gesture or even facial expression. Consciously focusing all context onto one meaning alone, at the expense of all other valid context is at it's best, an oversight.
No need to pretend it has merely one meaning.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)since three people in one pic are making it simultaneously, and it is on a basketball court, by people in basketball uniforms, and the other people in that pic are clearly celebrating something, I think it is safe to assume, that in this case, a 3-point shot was made.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Before falling for the okey-doke
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white-power-symbol-or-just-right-wing-troll
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)One up, one down.
They were flashing the stupid symbol. No one ceelebrates a three pointer like that
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Theres PLENTY to criticize these kids over
This is NOT one of them
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)This was an excuse to flash it. No one holds a water bottle like that.
Reminds me once if a guy leading two horses. He had a tank top on and was basically holding the lead ropes in a front double biceps pose. I laughed. He was trying to impress my sister. No one leads a horse in a front double biceps pose either.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I'll believe what I want. Neither of us knows what was in their heads or hearts.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Its basketball. Theyre jumping up off the bench in excitement and signaling a 3pt basket was made
Stop with the Alex Jones crap. Its embarrassing
Plenty else to expose these kids behavior. This is not one
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You do realize that you use a situation to try make a gesture right? You don't think maybe they used it as an excuse? I sure do. I wish I knew what team they were playing and if it had a lot if black players.
You never flipped someone off while pushing your glasses up?
And on edit
I'll give you the kid in the back is celebrating. The one up one down kid is sending a message
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)with your thumb and first finger around the lid? I carry one that way pretty frequently.
Now imagine your team gets 3 points & you want to gesture excitement at the feat - pretty easy to wave the 3 fingers that are not required for actually keeping the water bottle from hitting the ground. Camera flash - captured for eternity flashing what is now reviled as a white power symbol - just because you happened to be holding a bottle of sports drink the "wrong" way when your team scores three points.
Scouring old photos from basketball games for people are using a 3-point celebration as an opportunity to hide a white power salute is ridiculous.
Have you confirmed that the particular person you are alleging must be flashing a white power symbol actually is a "kid{} wearing {a} MAGA hat?" What basis do you have for attributing MAGA support to the kid whose reputation you are smearing by bootstrapping such support into flashing a secret white power symbol?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Rally in political regalia pretty much makes me assume the worst. They could have had on t-shirts expressing a Catholic belief that life begins at Conception (although St. Thomas Aquinas disagrees, and the Church has adopted so much of his teaching yet rejects that one - yet that is another post), but they didn't did they?
No. They wore MAGA hats and as far as I am concerned that mineswell be a KKK hood. Trump is a man who asked his mistress for an abortion, yet you wear his hat? How does that work? Furthermore, I know these types and those schools and I LOATHE them. They are, the modern day Sanhedrin.
You can bet your last dollar if one of these boys got the Mexican or Puerto Rican girl preggers with their Lilly white junk, abortion would be on the table. I've seen it in real life.
So, maybe I am wrong but I expect the worst from these people.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)wear a MAGA hat?
Do you have other evidence that the specific kid you are accusing supports Trump? Attended the rally?
If not, there is no basis to use his theoretical political affiliation to bootstrap what is almost certainly a celebratory gesture following a 3-point shot into a racially offensive symbol.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Thanks
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Us basketball fans know this.
Claiming that picture is racist makes our side look stupid.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)...contextual meaning and has peaked in the last couple of years under trump. unlike the "trey" thrown during a game.
Azathoth
(4,607 posts)When people are trolling through years-old videos for signs of racist body language from the student body (someone...anyone...), you know it's gone way beyond the point of reasoned debate.
MrGrieves
(315 posts)But this isn't a winner to point this instance out. They are playing basketball. There are three point shots in basketball. When one is made they all jump up and celebrate it. This is a stupid fight to pick because it easily makes people look like fools for focusing on it. I wouldn't doubt if this was put out there by a righty to get someone to latch onto it for this purpose.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)We shouldn't fall for this.
We need to be smarter than they are.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Also a fair number of troll accounts trying to signal boost a lot of things from both sides surrounding this incident. It's how the original video went viral in the first place. It was originally spread to the masses through a fake account and bots. Seems to be some information warfare going on.
Seems to me that there are waaaaaay more overtly "patriotic" questionable pro-Trump accounts active in the Twitter threads lately.
Basically they're mixing real info seeded with fake/selective info to get liberals/progressives rightfully angry, but also make them look like fools with selective (or fabricated) contrary information.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)I'm not going to change because idiots have decided it means something else.
clementine613
(561 posts)... and used the context of the game as a cover.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Some of the boys in the first pictures were NOT doing a "3 point" or "A-OK" sign - those signs aren't done with the fingers pointing out or down.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)I didn't know it meant that... I did notice tRump was unable to properly do the pinched thumb and index finger so he wouldn't be pointing when speaking, but I didn't know that became the white power sign... I'm getting to old for this stuff...
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Hearing w the girl sitting behind the Interviewee making the sign on her leg and arms? That....looked on purpose to me. I dunno.