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For all those sniffing around AOC and any trying to split hairs on Democrats and bred conflict within the Democratic Party: *PAY ATTENTION* the republicans and trump have just banned transgender people from the military, are making federal employees work for free and are going to spend billions on a wall that will cost billions to maintain, that does nothing.
Lets stop hair-splitting and the 2016 proxy battle (subbing different names for the same fight): while many of us are fighting with each other over who is the most pure, best Democrat, the republicans are busy working away to turn our world into a dystopian hellscape.
Let. It. Go. And focus all that effort into defeating the Republican Party.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,021 posts)2naSalit
(86,040 posts)angrychair
(8,592 posts)It was bad. It was wrong. Complaints have been put into place. Great. Move on. Is it really worth going on and in about for days?!?
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Life will soon smack these kids in the face. HS doesnt last forever.
Texin
(2,585 posts)Maybe for the rest of his miserable life.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)To beat the repubs we need a candidate that will appeal to the voters. It's not really who you like, but really who will win against the repubs?
brush
(53,467 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)I keep seeing posters trying to say trump is not to blame for the shutdown. Others bashing any Democrat that jumps into the race. Others post only things that cause divisions and anger. We are going to see a lot more of this kind of crap, it's the GOP-Russian play book. Divide and conquer!
Republicans are the ones we have to go after, not other Democrats.
for all of the previous posts.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Wow, just wow.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)it's the russians who are doing it.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)to a vote. T would veto, but Senate can overturn that veto. Congress can reopen the govt.
grumpyduck
(6,197 posts)and we keep falling for it.
FakeNoose
(32,330 posts)... that's why I joined DU a couple years ago, and I keep coming back. We can't elevate the collective IQ for all Americans but we can certainly keep our own group above average. Thanks my friend, for your contributions.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)when you've got the circular firing squad?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)We will eventually pick a candidate for president. During the primary time let us all be decent to each other. Personally I have some candidates already excluded from getting my support. However, if any of my throwouts wins the candidacy, you can bet your ass I will support them with all my strength.
Leith
(7,802 posts)Whenever I see any of those posts, the poster is added to my list of people who get the stink-eye (or the post is added as further proof of why the person is on the list). Every post by those people is dismissed. And it appears that I'm not the only one.
Disclaimer: I admit to having expressed my thoughts about Gillibrand. I regret having done so.
Take that, Igor.
akraven
(1,975 posts)Most neighbors are receptive to Democratic proposals. Of course, many are "furloughed" as well. Those of us minimally affected by the orange asshole's shutdown are trying to help provide for those who are hurting. Including neighbordog, since spouse bought a huge bag of food and a case of wet (pretty good sized pupper!).
Say hey to Sharpie!
Ohiogal
(31,657 posts)Im in love!
akraven
(1,975 posts)She will pull cars out of snow, run 100+ miles (Yukon Quest) and do it again!
calimary
(80,693 posts)HAVE TO!!!
Mojo2
(332 posts)any Dem that gets the nomination except Gillibrand for her role in removing a great Senator in Franken, or Sanders, enough with this guy, he isn't even a Dem. Im hoping for a Harris-Beto ticket, or a Biden-Harris ticket
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KPN
(15,585 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)What I enjoy the most here is thoughtful, original and unbiased posts from DU members. I learn a lot from those.
That, and news or investigative journalism posts from reliable sources......
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IronLionZion
(45,255 posts)angrychair
(8,592 posts)That deserve an open discussion. Never forget that we need trump and other republicans out of office before we can move forward on any policy or party plank.
At the end of the day, Democrats most take the as many state legislatures and governors and both houses of Congress and the presidency to make and solidify real progress and make changes permanent.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)You have totally missed the message of this thread.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,153 posts)And yes, we need more discussion about the corporate donor influence in the Democratic party. The pressure they put on legislators to back off on easing pharmaceutical drug prices, or public healthcare.
I find one gets shut down rather quickly in here when one brings up these subjects. That or "now's not the right time" argument that ironically works for them anytime. I think we can chew gum and walk at the same time.
The party's slow and steady tip toeing to the right as the Republicans shift towards outright fascism. While I understand not demonizing candidates that are established to run already, right before an election date, but surely there is room to debate the stances of candidates when the race to represent a particular district is still to be decided. Look how much life and energy AOC has brought into the party. She is the exception to the rule. She won DESPITE the DNC money machine backing the establishment Democrat. At the very least, stop with the putting thumbs on the scales for the preferred don't-rock-the-boat veterans. We need more like AOC, not less!
IronLionZion
(45,255 posts)so we should just hand the next election over to the Republicans as the most effective way to punish those Dems and teach them a lesson. Let's cut off our nose to spite our face as always.
angrychair
(8,592 posts)Thats ridiculous.
No more proxy wars. While we are fighting, republicans are reshaping our society and destroying our institutions and trust in government.
Fighting for the best Democrat is a fruitless and fools task right now. Those are battles for when we have the luxury of time and motive, which we do not have right now.
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KPN
(15,585 posts)and a member for just a few months. Have you been dormantly waiting for the right opportunity or what? I'm just wondering -- not accusing -- because we do have to vigilant about wedge-driving trolls (again, I'm not saying you are one, but I do have to be concerned).
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Her Twitter game is on point.
Embrace her sooner or later.
She won't back down nor should she.
angrychair
(8,592 posts)No more proxy wars. While we are fighting, republicans are reshaping our society and destroying our institutions and trust in government.
Fighting for the best Democrat is a fruitless and fools task right now. Those are battles for when we have the luxury of time and motive, which we do not have right now.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Nobody in the Democratic Party proper is really concerned about her and many are quietly cheering her on.
Only those with entrenched positions have really said anything untoward, and it's mainly that they're misguided where the party is going.
Renfarmrenie
(3 posts)LakeArenal
(28,713 posts)We neednt be merry sunshine everyday.
Its the discussion I look forward too.
pwb
(11,204 posts)This senior citizen thinks she is great.
KPN
(15,585 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)So much as overblown praise. And fear she will end up being the new Bernie who will get so much love that her praises cant vote for the corporate Democrats who are nominated.
BarbD
(1,190 posts)Divided we fall -- an old cliche but true.
bdamomma
(63,650 posts)bigger fish to FRY.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)dlk
(11,425 posts)Were stronger together. (Divided, not so much.) The GOP has repeatedly and successfully implemented the divide and conquer tactic against Democrats, and it has been to our detriment.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)This one got by.
angrychair
(8,592 posts)Of AOC. I used it as an example of attitudes and talking points that are leading Democrats down a self destructive path in which, while we are busy eating our own tale, republicans are busy setting everything we hold near and dear on fire and burning the world down around us.
We need to focus on the issues in front of us now that are far more important.
ooky
(8,885 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, did we quit? NO! (Sorry, that's the image I got.)
We got killed since 2010. New blood in our party means new energy, new ideas, and new excitement. We need to replace not only Repubs, but SOME of our party's fossils too (See the Onion's take on AOC.). Being lefties means having open minds and youthful thinking. We're the antidote for Grassley, Hatch, McConnell, and the rest of the Pleistocene Era. Some of these folks have died, and just don't know it.
We also need younger people who have 40+ years to live--not just for their years of service, but so they have a stake in the future--caring about climate change, alternative energy, and future generations.
Pelosi can keep her leadership. Experience matters, but so does diversity. That's what makes us a great party, so everybody, get along.
angrychair
(8,592 posts)New ideas and perspectives are critical to the future of the Party. I honestly and completely agree.
I am in no way asking anybody to compromise on their principles or capitulate to anybody.
What I am saying is no one gets to air their ideas for a fair and honest debate in this environment.
If we cannot, at the very least, agree to defeat trump and republicans, not just in DC but in state legislatures across the country, than we have lost before we even really started.
We will not convince people we are the right people to lead the nation if we are name-calling and attacking each other as much as we do republicans. It does not inspire confidence or trust. Something our nation is in desperate need of right now.
Vinca
(50,168 posts)We have to be focused and have one goal: win. Fuck purity.
Mabel
(79 posts)If this were a normal point in history, I would be fine with conflict among Democrats/liberals... but the Trump administration is anything but normal. We have enough on our hands we don't need conflict to shift our focus.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the defenders of Joe Crowleys honor will not rest until AOC is destroyed.. or at least made to STFU