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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,741 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:17 PM Jan 2019

Who are the Black Israelites at the center of the viral standoff at the Lincoln Memorial?

In the initial media churn, they were nearly missed.

But a small band of Hebrew Israelites, members of a historic but little-known American religious movement, may actually be at the center of a roiling controversy that has gripped the nation in recent days.

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They are members of The House of Israel, which draws from what scholars call Black Israelism, a complex American religious movement that can be dated to the 18th century, at least. Beliefs vary widely, but groups are bound together by the central tenet that African Americans are the literal descendants of the Israelites of the Bible and have been severed from their true heritage. A related belief holds that white people are Edomites, the genealogical descendants of Esau — the twin of Jacob.

Several distinct denominations or traditions have emerged over the years. Congregations and leaders differ widely, making neat generalizations tricky. Some read the Christian Bible and believe that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah; others read only the Hebrew Bible. Some have moved into tentative dialogue and collaboration with wider American Jewish organizations. Others have not.

The 1970s and ’80s saw the rise of an innovative new branch of Black Israelism centered around an organization named the Israeli Tanack School, known colloquially as One West, after its address on 125th Street in Harlem.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/who-are-the-black-israelites-at-the-center-of-the-viral-standoff-at-the-lincoln-memorial/ar-BBSA5Nx?li=BBnbcA1

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Who are the Black Israelites at the center of the viral standoff at the Lincoln Memorial? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 OP
At least the ones around today Jake Stern Jan 2019 #1
and did lgbt respond to that hate by doing what those catholic school boys did ? JI7 Jan 2019 #3
It is surprising that more ire isn't being directed at them for their hateful, bigoted verbal abuse oberliner Jan 2019 #2
5 guys with a microphone who were standing 40 feet away Squinch Jan 2019 #4
People should not shout racial slurs at people over a microphone outside the Lincoln Memorial oberliner Jan 2019 #5
there are people shouting bigoted slurs from the white house and congress JI7 Jan 2019 #6
Odd you apply that sentiment only to these members rather than all involved. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #7
Accountable how? What do you suggest as punishment Squinch Jan 2019 #9
Held "accountable? How? Hurling racial slurs is not illegal. Progressive Law Jan 2019 #17
That's not the way it works and you know it. MyNameGoesHere Jan 2019 #19
Exactly Meowmee Jan 2019 #18
I've seen them on the street corner in downtown Minneapolis geardaddy Jan 2019 #8
No one wants to talk about them for some reason oberliner Jan 2019 #10
Because they're more focused on kids wearing a stupid hat Jake Stern Jan 2019 #11
I have crossed paths with a small group of them protesting. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #12
so you didn't harass women and old men as a result ? JI7 Jan 2019 #14
Never would I do such a thing. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #15
To be fair BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #20
Loonier than fruit cakes treestar Jan 2019 #13
*sigh* Xolodno Jan 2019 #16

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
1. At least the ones around today
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jan 2019

Are, to me, the Black version of Westboro Baptist Church.

I’ve heard them spew some of the vilest homophobic trash. Definitely giving the Phelps clan a run for their money.

Just as bad is the abuse they hurl at interracial couples, especially black women with white men.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. It is surprising that more ire isn't being directed at them for their hateful, bigoted verbal abuse
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jan 2019

All of which is captured extensively on video.

And they are grown adults.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
4. 5 guys with a microphone who were standing 40 feet away
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jan 2019

shouting racial slurs at everyone who passed.

Everyone else managed to walk away from them. Covington Hitler Youth says they had to surround and torment Mr. Phillips because those 5 guys were being mean to them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. People should not shout racial slurs at people over a microphone outside the Lincoln Memorial
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jan 2019

Or anywhere else for that matter.

They need to be held accountable for these actions.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. Odd you apply that sentiment only to these members rather than all involved.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jan 2019

What's not odd is the justification otherwise soon to follow.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
9. Accountable how? What do you suggest as punishment
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 04:28 PM
Jan 2019

for exercising the right to free speech? Stoning? Arrest?

Do tell.

Though I am sure you will not answer.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
19. That's not the way it works and you know it.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jan 2019

Spewing hateful shit is protctected from singing in the bathroom to shouting racists words in the national cathedral. How do you intend to hold them accountable? It's the only group you seemed concerned over. Why is that? Is there something about this group that sets you off? Please do tell because most of us know already. Your transparency is shallow.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
11. Because they're more focused on kids wearing a stupid hat
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jan 2019

Than blatant homophobic and highly bigoted assholes.

Guaranteed that had it been 5 white bigots vs 40 black high schoolers, DUers wouldn’t have been nearly as dismissive of that crew.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
12. I have crossed paths with a small group of them protesting.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jan 2019

I don’t make judgement of any larger group from the few I crossed paths with. They were disgusting people. I listened and moved along. The images they were presenting were horrible.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
15. Never would I do such a thing.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jan 2019

I’m responsible for my actions and take that seriously.

Your point does not fall of deaf ears. I agree with your sentiment. They are being used as justification for the actions of others. One of the most insidious forms of justification.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Loonier than fruit cakes
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:04 PM
Jan 2019

I heard them yelling at them as Catholics for worshipping Mary when they should be worshipping the Lord. They were reading from the Bible themselves; ranting on about the wicked not going unpunished and that Jesus was a man of color and not a white man, that their white looking Jesus is false. And the rest of us all are wicked. Ironically they could actually agree on some issues. They were condemning people for being gay and though they said nothing about abortion that I heard, they were there at the march.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
16. *sigh*
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019
They are members of The House of Israel, which draws from what scholars call Black Israelism, a complex American religious movement that can be dated to the 18th century, at least. Beliefs vary widely, but groups are bound together by the central tenet that African Americans are the literal descendants of the Israelites of the Bible and have been severed from their true heritage. A related belief holds that white people are Edomites, the genealogical descendants of Esau — the twin of Jacob


And I heard that Edomite descendants are actually today's Russians....yeah, whatever. How many "lost tribes" religions are there now? If we want to get technical, Palestinians probably have more "Jewish" ancestry than most.

But I don't subscribe to being Jewish means you are a race. Its a religion, period. The wife of Moses wasn't Jewish, David's other wife was a Hittite, Herod was actually an Edomite, in Joshua's conquest Canaan, they took the women and children as their own. The belief to marry within ones tribe was one of inheritance issues, in which case, someone from the tribe of Simon should not marry someone from the tribe of Reuben. The practice was reintroduced as form of persecution.
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