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louis c

(8,652 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:17 PM Jan 2019

Why everyone can't see that Trump's shutdown is a perversion of our system?

Any Senator or Congressperson swears to uphold the Constitution. In that affirmation is the understanding that each will vote his or her conscience, taking into consideration the will of their constituencies.

The reason there is not wall funding under Trump's terms is that there are not sufficient votes to pass any legislation on that front. Trump didn't even have the votes when the Republicans controlled both chambers of the legislature and the Presidency. And I know that Trump needed 60 votes for cloture in the Senate. But that proves my point. He didn't have the votes. That's how our system works.

Trump has now decided to use the shutting down of our government to pass his legislation in an effort to coerce legislators to vote against their conscience and against their constituents' interest.

As Senator McCain said in his last speech in the US Senate, "let's return to regular order."

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Why everyone can't see that Trump's shutdown is a perversion of our system? (Original Post) louis c Jan 2019 OP

Who the hell ever thought shutting down the government is a good way to negotiate legislation? Kablooie Jan 2019 #1

The great negotiator had to take the world's biggest hostage, the US government, CrispyQ Jan 2019 #2

It's all about Putin, right Mitch? erlewyne Jan 2019 #3

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)

1. Who the hell ever thought shutting down the government is a good way to negotiate legislation?

Reply to louis c (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:30 PM

Jan 2019

This is a ridiculous loophole that needs to be patched so it can never happen again.

( I think the House has already done so but the Republicans seem to like this gambit so I haven't heard of the Senate considering the same thing.)

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)

2. The great negotiator had to take the world's biggest hostage, the US government,

Reply to Kablooie (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:41 PM

Jan 2019

in order to get what he wants. He's stated that once open, it may not be easy to shut the government down again, which is proof that he sees the government as nothing more than a bargaining tool & he will do this again in the future to get what he wants, if the dems cave.

And yet the media is quickly starting to frame it as both sides are equally responsible.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)

3. It's all about Putin, right Mitch?

Reply to louis c (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2019, 03:42 PM

Jan 2019

What color are Rubies?

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