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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYT: Senate Leaders Reach Deal That Offers Possible Path to Reopen Government
The plan, a compromise between Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, and Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, offers the first hint of a path out of the partial shutdown, which is now in its fifth week and has left 800,000 federal workers without pay. The two announced it Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor.
People are saying isnt there a way out of this mess, isnt there a way to relieve the burden on the 800,000 federal workers not getting paid, isnt there a way to get government services open first and debate what we should do for border security later? Mr. Schumer said. Well, now theres a way.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/government-shutdown-senate.html
Am trying to find out if anyone else has reporting on this...
underpants
(182,274 posts)NY Times
Joe941
(2,848 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)they could potentially pass both bills (assuming both get through cloture) and if they make it to the House, the wall bill would fail for sure because that chamber is under Democratic control, but the government re-opening bill would easily pass.
The downside here is that the reopening is not a full FY bill - it's just a CR until February 8th. However that might be at least enough time to give out any back pay and regular pay before a potential second shutdown might happen.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)House votes down Turtle's stupid 5.7b Wall bill, approves the extension.
Trump signs stupid extension until the 8th, claims he won, and we have the same argument in 2 1/2 weeks.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)And the hope is that they can get back pay out to the furloughed employees and hopefully get one more check in before we go through the same song and dance.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So either he vetoes this, or he folds.
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)He'll just Bullshit.
It's what President Bullshit does best.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)triron
(21,915 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)including the people who cook and clean.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)and then let Turtle gum up the works again when the C.R. expires February 8th.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)ananda
(28,782 posts)And then shutting down the govt again on Feb 8th?
maxsolomon
(32,984 posts)Burn the Senate to the ground.
jcgoldie
(11,584 posts)... and Trump vetos it?
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)means that the reopening bill will not be vetoed. And the fact that there is a short leash on this, things go back to square one in a couple weeks.
The hope though is that if the reopening goes into effect, that back pay can be distributed along with normal checks until it all shuts down again absent some resolution.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)will vote for it. And I would think Mitch could at least herd it through his party.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)but as I added in other posts here, that should be enough time to hopefully get all the back pay distributed plus a regular check (and perhaps one final check for work up until February 8) before the CR runs out.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)shutdown. A friend of mine works for a Copyright and Trademark lawyer. It seems that, during the shutdown, if your copyright or trademark comes up for renewal, you can't renew it because there is no one to accept the paperwork. So you lose your rights to your work.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)I am a retired 30+ year fed and know there is a whole hell of a lot that is going on that the media has absolutely ZERO clue about that is negatively impacting the nation right now.
Hell, none of the meteorologists who work for NWS are being paid and none of the emergency funding for disasters - including what just happened in Alabama this past weekend with tornadoes - is going out. Subsidies for farmers designated in the FARM bill are not going out because those funds are covered by the Ag appropriation, etc. It's just ugly all around.
Freethinker65
(9,932 posts)Is McConnell's plan for the Senate Republicans to refuse to reopen the government without Trump's wall sending only one bill to the House? ...then when the House says no, blame the Democrats and Pelosi??
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Still gives the Senators time to do some soul searching as to whether they want to continue w this? Not sure what to think from the reading really.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)the second bill does not pass, then what. They blame the Dems!
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)and don't really care (since they live nowhere near any "border" ).
I did see an analysis that since just today the SCOTUS said that they wouldn't review DACA anytime soon (perhaps not until 2020), then the bargaining chip that the WH had regarding DACA was just taken away.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)How would that work? I think it's in the Constitution that the President just tells everyone what's going to happen, and then the House and Senate make it happen. Then, when the President changes his mind, Congress does it all over again.
It's probably in one of the "secret" articles of the Constitution. I wonder if Nicolas Cage can help us?
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)These guys know EXACTLY which article that is!
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)As others have said, senate will pass both and house won't pass a wall. I think it's likely they'll pass more CRs. Once in 2020 it is meat for their base and they'll run on the wall again.
I think we will be hearing "build the wall" for another decade at least. It isn't only the price tag that made them ask for a fraction of what would be needed. The wall could go sea to sea and we would still hear about urgent upgrades and improvements.
Decades after 1954 and 1968 Lee Atwater is still correct
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)a regular pay check, and possibly one more check for any work performed up until Feb. 8
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)unblock
(51,974 posts)the wall funding of course will never pass the house.
the house will pass the continuing resolution and government will reopen and workers will be paid for back time.
then donnie will give his state of the union speech, take sole credit for solving the problem he created, and blame democrats.
then he will promptly go into re-run mode and insist on a wall again, and there will be a second government shutdown starting february 9th.
only this time, donnie will blame democrats. not for any logical reason, of course. but just because he's donnie and that's what donnie does.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)They could try to jam people in the Senate chamber if they take out all the desks and include chairs but it doesn't have the (television) pomp and circumstance that the House chamber provides.
House chamber
House - State Of Union
Senate chamber
nykym
(3,063 posts)read the bill over and over.
Repugs are dishonest and will try to slip in language that gives tRump the wall if nothing is settled by Feb 8th.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)I expect it may be the same C.R. bill that already passed the Senate unanimously in the previous session of Congress (in December), which only went to February 8, and that Ryan torpedoed on his fucking way out once it made it to the House... Of course back in December, the February 8th date was probably 6 weeks away, not 2.
Raftergirl
(1,276 posts)will veto the CR. Yes, he is that stupid.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)since it only goes for 2.5 weeks (assuming it gets passed and signed post haste).
Raftergirl
(1,276 posts)anything is possible. But I think the Senate R are too petrified of Donald and his base of fanboys, its unlikely they would override.
BumRushDaShow
(127,300 posts)then that had passed the Senate by "unanimous consent" (100-0, no objections).
Since it is only for about 2 weeks, they can consider it a win-win because we will be right back to square one absent some other resolution - with the caveat that the "peasants" got their "crumbs" and need to "get back to work" (without pay).
As mentioned - I don't think Turtle would have offered it up at all if there had been some expectation that it would be vetoed (which would throw his chamber under the bus). And also as mentioned, this would allow a SOTU to happen again -in the House chamber- where a new argument for the wall can be made in front of whoever bothers to watch it.
Raftergirl
(1,276 posts)well just have to wait and see.
Xolodno
(6,330 posts)...Mueller drops an A-Bomb before Feb. 8th. So they can quietly sneak in another CR for a longer time, because Agent Orange will be too preoccupied trying to find a way out of a bigger mess.