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BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:05 PM Jan 2019

NYT: Senate Leaders Reach Deal That Offers Possible Path to Reopen Government

WASHINGTON — The Senate will vote Thursday on two separate bills that would bring an immediate end to the partial government shutdown: one backed by President Trump that includes $5.7 billion for his border wall and another that would simply extend funding for shuttered agencies through Feb. 8.


The plan, a compromise between Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, and Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, offers the first hint of a path out of the partial shutdown, which is now in its fifth week and has left 800,000 federal workers without pay. The two announced it Tuesday afternoon on the Senate floor.

”People are saying isn’t there a way out of this mess, isn’t there a way to relieve the burden on the 800,000 federal workers not getting paid, isn’t there a way to get government services open first and debate what we should do for border security later?” Mr. Schumer said. “Well, now there’s a way.”


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/government-shutdown-senate.html


Am trying to find out if anyone else has reporting on this...
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NYT: Senate Leaders Reach Deal That Offers Possible Path to Reopen Government (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 OP
I just got a news pop up on it underpants Jan 2019 #1
I'm not following - how would this work? Joe941 Jan 2019 #2
Since the GOP controls the Senate BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #4
Senate votes on 2 bills, passes both maxsolomon Jan 2019 #5
Basically. BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #8
Trump said privately he would look stupid if he closed the government again after reopening marylandblue Jan 2019 #12
He'll fold and claim that Pelosi did. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #14
Fine by me, we will know the truth. marylandblue Jan 2019 #24
I predict he won't. He wants the FBI crippled. triron Jan 2019 #25
None of the WH staff are getting paid BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #31
He can let it ride BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #39
And, he can have his stupid SOTU obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #17
Is this about getting to make his SOTU speech? ananda Jan 2019 #26
Jeez, the Turtle could have done that a month ago. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #3
SO the House passes the clean temporary bill to reopen the government... jcgoldie Jan 2019 #6
It's possible that the fact that Turtle offered it up BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #10
If turtle offered it, I would imagine it could get a veto proof majority. Surely all the Democrats Squinch Jan 2019 #15
The downside is that it is just a C.R. BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #16
And anything will help people who are hurting. I just learned a new fun fact about this Squinch Jan 2019 #20
Oh yeah... BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #22
I want the votes for Trump's vanity wall recorded. Will any Rs vote against it? Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #7
Maybe vote yes on one and no on the other? And reopen govt? Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #9
The House would definitely vote no on the wall. BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #13
Could be a trap move here... BlueJac Jan 2019 #11
The polls say that the majority of people don't want a wall BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #18
A negotiation with Republicans AND Democrats in attendance? gratuitous Jan 2019 #19
"It's probably in one of the "secret" articles of the Constitution." BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #27
For the sake of the families, I hope this is it Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #21
The Chant Goes On Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #23
FEB 8?! That's not even a month away. This whole turd will repeat itself then. berni_mccoy Jan 2019 #28
It would give enough time to distribute back pay BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #29
Just long enough for the idiot to get his coveted SOTU spotlight. tinrobot Jan 2019 #37
it's all about the state of the union speech. unblock Jan 2019 #30
That basically sums it up BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #34
Dems need to carefully nykym Jan 2019 #32
That's up to Schumer (and his staff) at this moment BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #36
The Doofus-In-Chief Raftergirl Jan 2019 #33
They may have enough for it to be veto proof BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #38
I suppose Raftergirl Jan 2019 #40
If it is the same CR passed in December BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #42
I guess Raftergirl Jan 2019 #43
Mitch is hoping... Xolodno Jan 2019 #35
Mitch has to realize they have to work around the king because people are suffering. Vinca Jan 2019 #41

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
4. Since the GOP controls the Senate
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jan 2019

they could potentially pass both bills (assuming both get through cloture) and if they make it to the House, the wall bill would fail for sure because that chamber is under Democratic control, but the government re-opening bill would easily pass.

The downside here is that the reopening is not a full FY bill - it's just a CR until February 8th. However that might be at least enough time to give out any back pay and regular pay before a potential second shutdown might happen.

maxsolomon

(32,984 posts)
5. Senate votes on 2 bills, passes both
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jan 2019

House votes down Turtle's stupid 5.7b Wall bill, approves the extension.

Trump signs stupid extension until the 8th, claims he won, and we have the same argument in 2 1/2 weeks.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
8. Basically.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:16 PM
Jan 2019


And the hope is that they can get back pay out to the furloughed employees and hopefully get one more check in before we go through the same song and dance.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. Trump said privately he would look stupid if he closed the government again after reopening
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jan 2019

So either he vetoes this, or he folds.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
10. It's possible that the fact that Turtle offered it up
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jan 2019

means that the reopening bill will not be vetoed. And the fact that there is a short leash on this, things go back to square one in a couple weeks.

The hope though is that if the reopening goes into effect, that back pay can be distributed along with normal checks until it all shuts down again absent some resolution.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
15. If turtle offered it, I would imagine it could get a veto proof majority. Surely all the Democrats
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

will vote for it. And I would think Mitch could at least herd it through his party.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
16. The downside is that it is just a C.R.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

but as I added in other posts here, that should be enough time to hopefully get all the back pay distributed plus a regular check (and perhaps one final check for work up until February 8) before the CR runs out.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
20. And anything will help people who are hurting. I just learned a new fun fact about this
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:31 PM
Jan 2019

shutdown. A friend of mine works for a Copyright and Trademark lawyer. It seems that, during the shutdown, if your copyright or trademark comes up for renewal, you can't renew it because there is no one to accept the paperwork. So you lose your rights to your work.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
22. Oh yeah...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:35 PM
Jan 2019

I am a retired 30+ year fed and know there is a whole hell of a lot that is going on that the media has absolutely ZERO clue about that is negatively impacting the nation right now.

Hell, none of the meteorologists who work for NWS are being paid and none of the emergency funding for disasters - including what just happened in Alabama this past weekend with tornadoes - is going out. Subsidies for farmers designated in the FARM bill are not going out because those funds are covered by the Ag appropriation, etc. It's just ugly all around.

Freethinker65

(9,932 posts)
7. I want the votes for Trump's vanity wall recorded. Will any Rs vote against it?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jan 2019

Is McConnell's plan for the Senate Republicans to refuse to reopen the government without Trump's wall sending only one bill to the House? ...then when the House says no, blame the Democrats and Pelosi??

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
9. Maybe vote yes on one and no on the other? And reopen govt?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jan 2019

Still gives the Senators time to do some soul searching as to whether they want to continue w this? Not sure what to think from the reading really.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
18. The polls say that the majority of people don't want a wall
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jan 2019

and don't really care (since they live nowhere near any "border" ).

I did see an analysis that since just today the SCOTUS said that they wouldn't review DACA anytime soon (perhaps not until 2020), then the bargaining chip that the WH had regarding DACA was just taken away.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. A negotiation with Republicans AND Democrats in attendance?
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jan 2019

How would that work? I think it's in the Constitution that the President just tells everyone what's going to happen, and then the House and Senate make it happen. Then, when the President changes his mind, Congress does it all over again.

It's probably in one of the "secret" articles of the Constitution. I wonder if Nicolas Cage can help us?

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
27. "It's probably in one of the "secret" articles of the Constitution."
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jan 2019

These guys know EXACTLY which article that is!



Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
23. The Chant Goes On
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jan 2019

As others have said, senate will pass both and house won't pass a wall. I think it's likely they'll pass more CRs. Once in 2020 it is meat for their base and they'll run on the wall again.

I think we will be hearing "build the wall" for another decade at least. It isn't only the price tag that made them ask for a fraction of what would be needed. The wall could go sea to sea and we would still hear about urgent upgrades and improvements.

Decades after 1954 and 1968 Lee Atwater is still correct

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
29. It would give enough time to distribute back pay
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

a regular pay check, and possibly one more check for any work performed up until Feb. 8

unblock

(51,974 posts)
30. it's all about the state of the union speech.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jan 2019

the wall funding of course will never pass the house.

the house will pass the continuing resolution and government will reopen and workers will be paid for back time.


then donnie will give his state of the union speech, take sole credit for solving the problem he created, and blame democrats.
then he will promptly go into re-run mode and insist on a wall again, and there will be a second government shutdown starting february 9th.

only this time, donnie will blame democrats. not for any logical reason, of course. but just because he's donnie and that's what donnie does.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
34. That basically sums it up
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

They could try to jam people in the Senate chamber if they take out all the desks and include chairs but it doesn't have the (television) pomp and circumstance that the House chamber provides.

House chamber



House - State Of Union



Senate chamber

nykym

(3,063 posts)
32. Dems need to carefully
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jan 2019

read the bill over and over.
Repugs are dishonest and will try to slip in language that gives tRump the wall if nothing is settled by Feb 8th.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
36. That's up to Schumer (and his staff) at this moment
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

I expect it may be the same C.R. bill that already passed the Senate unanimously in the previous session of Congress (in December), which only went to February 8, and that Ryan torpedoed on his fucking way out once it made it to the House... Of course back in December, the February 8th date was probably 6 weeks away, not 2.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
38. They may have enough for it to be veto proof
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:14 PM
Jan 2019

since it only goes for 2.5 weeks (assuming it gets passed and signed post haste).

Raftergirl

(1,276 posts)
40. I suppose
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:22 PM
Jan 2019

anything is possible. But I think the Senate R are too petrified of Donald and his base of fanboys, it’s unlikely they would override.

BumRushDaShow

(127,300 posts)
42. If it is the same CR passed in December
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jan 2019

then that had passed the Senate by "unanimous consent" (100-0, no objections).

Since it is only for about 2 weeks, they can consider it a win-win because we will be right back to square one absent some other resolution - with the caveat that the "peasants" got their "crumbs" and need to "get back to work" (without pay).

As mentioned - I don't think Turtle would have offered it up at all if there had been some expectation that it would be vetoed (which would throw his chamber under the bus). And also as mentioned, this would allow a SOTU to happen again -in the House chamber- where a new argument for the wall can be made in front of whoever bothers to watch it.

Xolodno

(6,330 posts)
35. Mitch is hoping...
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jan 2019

...Mueller drops an A-Bomb before Feb. 8th. So they can quietly sneak in another CR for a longer time, because Agent Orange will be too preoccupied trying to find a way out of a bigger mess.

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